Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 11:40 am
Arella Mae wrote:
It appears to me that "intellect" has become the god of many.


Obviously, you are incapable of adhering to the topic here. Additionally, it appears that you are incapable of conceiving of a cosmic view which does not stipulate "higher powers" such as your imaginary friend. "Intellect" does not function as a deity, it functions as a tool to understand the cosmos.

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Intellect changes.


Yes, indeed--it is a process most commonly referred to as growth.

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God does not change.


This is one of the silliest and most meaningless statements made here--which is quite an accomplishment. There are at least as many descriptions of "god" as there are theists--and very likely more, given that many theists who once were living and who now are dead have left records of their personal conceptions of "god." It is a conceit of theists that they all believe in the same "god"--sectarianism, which resolving to its logical conclusion makes of every theist a sect of one, gives the lie to this nonsense. "God" changes every time someone else comes up with that silly fairy tale as an explanation for the cosmos.

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Are any of the thesistic jokers here other than the member "real life" capable of addressing the topic of the thread, rather than attempting to turn it into a prayer camp meeting?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 11:50 am
Dear Mr. I Never Get Off Topic In A Thread So I Can Tell You That You Do, Laughing

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This is one of the silliest and most meaningless statements made here--which is quite an accomplishment. There are at least as many descriptions of "god" as there are theists--and very likely more, given that many theists who once were living and who now are dead have left records of their personal conceptions of "god." It is a conceit of theists that they all believe in the same "god"--sectarianism, which resolving to its logical conclusion makes of every theist a sect of one, gives the lie to this nonsense. "God" changes every time someone else comes up with that silly fairy tale as an explanation for the cosmos.


Let me clarify for you, sir:

Malachi 3:6 ~ For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Oh, and thanx for the compliment! Woo hoo! He said it was quite an accomplishment!!!!
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 11:53 am
I hate cats now.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:02 pm
Lash wrote:
RexRed wrote:
A life without spirituality is a life of pure egotism.

Only for those who are so weak that they can only be decent human beings under the threat of hell.


Hell is something we create ourselves.

Spirituality is how we reconcile the inner perfection with the outer imperfection.

Those who do not recognize the inner perfection simply go around giving everyone else a bad day...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:09 pm
Lash wrote:
I hate cats now.


This should have been posted on my "hate speech" thread... Smile

Your hate for AM or MA is only pushing people more toward her side.

How about if we hate the issues instead of the people...

I still like you... Let's try and keep it that way plz...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:14 pm
RexRed wrote:
Your hate for AM or MA is only pushing people more toward her side.


Nonsense--for two reasons. The first is that you are confusing contempt for hatred. The second is that this is precisely one of the reason why my regard for Lash has grown recently. The rest of your blather is a pathetic attempt to accuse Lash of hatred--something which is not demonstrated.

MOAN is attempting to derail the thread, because the topic offends here. Sadly, with clueless allies such as Rex, it isn't all that difficult for her to do.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:17 pm
Rex and Momma Mae don't want to discuss anything. They just compulsively have to preach to the unbelievers.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:18 pm
Rex--

Do you know where you fit in her idea of spirituality?
Seriously. I've been wondering how you can promote a religion and a person, who think horrible things about you and condemn you to hell.

This is one of the reason I reject what is accepted as Biblical edicts. I can't believe a just God would create people, make them who they are, and send them to hell for it. She believes gay people burn in hell. Do you?

What about King Saul-- he didn't have a chance. Esau? The Pharoah--God hardened his heart, so he could kill innocent children in Egypt....?

Is that just?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:28 pm
Setanta,

Sir, I have asked Administration to change my UserID because it caused some people twinges calling me Momma or Angel. And one of those it caused a twinge for was ehBeth. I kindly respect that you refrain from referring to me as MOAN. I posted it clearly for everyone to see that I had it changed and why. I did not try to disguise it in any way. If you persist in calling me MOAN, I will have no other choice but to believe that you are doing it intentionally with a specific intent in mind.

Again, I am respectfully asking you to honor my request.

Thank you,

Arella Mae

Edgar,

I'm sorry you feel that way. That's not true for me. Yes, I like talking about God but I do want to discuss other things with others.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:30 pm
Arella Mae wrote:
I kindly respect that you refrain from referring to me as MOAN.


If anyone here can translate this into English for me, i'd appreciate it.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:31 pm
Once again, Goys and Birls, the topic here is "Bible vs. Science."

Anyone interested in discussing that?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:38 pm
Setanta Wrote:

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Nonsense--for two reasons. The first is that you are confusing contempt for hatred. The second is that this is precisely one of the reason why my regard for Lash has grown recently. The rest of your blather is a pathetic attempt to accuse Lash of hatred--something which is not demonstrated.

MOAN is attempting to derail the thread, because the topic offends here. Sadly, with clueless allies such as Rex, it isn't all that difficult for her to do.


I'm confused and need some clarification, sir. Can you tell me how this post relates to Bible vs. Science because I just can't see the connection?http://www.smileys.ws/smls/yahoo/00000033.gif

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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:41 pm
It doesn't, of course, but given the low standards of interaction i am familiar with on your part, i'm not surprised that you need that explained to you. It was a salvo intended to get Rex to stop cooperating in your attempt to derail the thread--and it seems to have worked.

Now if we can just get rid of you so easily.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:52 pm
Setanta wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Your hate for AM or MA is only pushing people more toward her side.


Nonsense--for two reasons. The first is that you are confusing contempt for hatred. The second is that this is precisely one of the reason why my regard for Lash has grown recently. The rest of your blather is a pathetic attempt to accuse Lash of hatred--something which is not demonstrated.

MOAN is attempting to derail the thread, because the topic offends here. Sadly, with clueless allies such as Rex, it isn't all that difficult for her to do.


As for your "SOOT"... Hate is just contempt with pink icing and jimmies sprinkled all over it. They only disguise the inside which is still hate and leaves a bad taste and indigestion.

Rationalization is hates number 1 friend.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:55 pm
Although it may surprise you, Rex, words are not defined idiosyncratically by you, their definitions derive from consensus of usage.

Do you have anything to asy on the topic of the thread, Rex? Or would you rather discuss hatred--such as the hatred which fundamentalist bible-thumpers so commonly express toward homosexuals?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:55 pm
Setanta wrote:
Arella Mae wrote:
I kindly respect that you refrain from referring to me as MOAN.


If anyone here can translate this into English for me, i'd appreciate it.


It means stop being such a jerk, ok?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 12:56 pm
Setanta,

Thank you for explaining that. It just seemed to me that you were as guilty of being off topic as some of the rest of us were but I wanted to be sure I wasn't assuming anything. Laughing

I think it's virtually impossible to reconcile many things in the Bible with science of today. Considering the time that the Bible was written and the obvious lack of today's knowledge there would be limited ways in which to explain many things.

Many words that we read in the Bible today have a certain meaning to us on the surface, but once you start researching into what the word actually meant at that time or the context in which it was written, it's a bit easier to understand the people were limited to only what they knew and what information they had, just as we are today.

For instance, a lot of the prophecies in the Bible were given in visions. Suppose someone had a vision of an airplane, a car, a tank, or even a shopping mall. How would they describe such things? A car perhaps could have been described as a chariot with lights. An airplane may have been described as an iron bird, etc.

I think it's very important to remember that just because they didn't have the science that we now have in no way means they were wrong. It just means they had limited information from which to draw.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 01:05 pm
Setanta wrote:
Although it may surprise you, Rex, words are not defined idiosyncratically by you, their definitions derive from consensus of usage.

Do you have anything to asy on the topic of the thread, Rex? Or would you rather discuss hatred--such as the hatred which fundamentalist bible-thumpers so commonly express toward homosexuals?


"SOOT"

If you would like to discuss your OWN hatred toward homosexuals then let's hear your homo "phobia"?

Everyone knows that homophobia is produced by one's own (YOUR) sexual insecurity.

And you could not think of a single hate statement towards homosexuals that would bother me in the least. Frank has been trying for years... You could take a lesson or two from him.

I will just turn your hate back on you. I have years of practice.

I also have God on my side...

You look to the outer reality not the inner reality so I do not expect you to understand why I am, SAVED...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 01:17 pm
Anyone who thinks Christians should be wimps here is some spiritual food for thought.

Ephesians 6:19
And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Ephesians 6:20
For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Hebrews 13:6
So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 01:19 pm
Arella Mae wrote:
I think it's virtually impossible to reconcile many things in the Bible with science of today. Considering the time that the Bible was written and the obvious lack of today's knowledge there would be limited ways in which to explain many things.

Many words that we read in the Bible today have a certain meaning to us on the surface, but once you start researching into what the word actually meant at that time or the context in which it was written, it's a bit easier to understand the people were limited to only what they knew and what information they had, just as we are today.

For instance, a lot of the prophecies in the Bible were given in visions. Suppose someone had a vision of an airplane, a car, a tank, or even a shopping mall. How would they describe such things? A car perhaps could have been described as a chariot with lights. An airplane may have been described as an iron bird, etc.

I think it's very important to remember that just because they didn't have the science that we now have in no way means they were wrong. It just means they had limited information from which to draw.


Although that may be interesting speculation (to you, at the least), it is not evidence that any of what are reputed to have been prophecies in the bobble did in fact actually foretell the future.

The fact that you are obliged to rely upon particularist interpretation (meaning that the interpretation derives from and must be referential to a particular theological viewpoint) is very much to the topic of this thread, whether or not you realized it when you wrote that.

As i had assumed, and as Xingu's remarks have confirmed, the inspiration here is the prevalance of biblical literalism--the prevalance of a contention that the bobble is entirely comprised of literal, divinely-inspired and therefore inerrant truth. If any portion of it requires interpretation, or is subject to interpretation, than the contention that every word of the bobble is literal, divinely-inspired inerrant truth is thrown into doubt.

Furthermore, you discursus above refers again and again to what people in "biblical" times may have know, and what they might reasonably be expected to have known. This is one of the hilarious aspects of theology, and especially of fundamentalist theology (whether fundamentalist christian or any other description is not that important)--the necessity to back and fill when confronted with scientific, or texual contradictions.

So, in fact, whether or not you intend it, you are making the point of the thread, which is that the bobble cannot be reasonably said to the entirely inerrant truth.

So, therefore, i have in the first example with which i have dealt, pointed out the absurdities of the flood story from the point of view of the physics of hydrodynamics, and the implausibility of all of the general terms of that story (especially with regard to the putative age of Noah and company, and the management of the beasts which they were obliged to carry on board). But i have also pointed out the textual contradictions, and the common belief among reputable scholars--including talmudic scholars and Christian scholars--that Genesis was written at different times by more than one person, and edited in the 5th century BCE.

If something is entirely, inerrantly true because divinely inspired, it would not contain such blatant and facile internal contradictions, and it would never have been necessary to have edited it--a process which nevertheless seems not have have succeeded in removing the internal contradictions.
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