Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 11:23 am
Setanta wrote:
I'm not going to reprise it here, but in the "Evolution? How?" thread, i put together an extremely long post to explain why the description of the Ark represents a tour de force display of abyssmal ignorance of basic naval architecture for wooden vessels. The response of "real life" was kind of a laughing "well gee, i don't know about all of that," after which he turned to some minutiae about the number of animals which would have been on board and the possibility that they would have been juveniles. In other words, having demonstrated that the vessel of which he speaks is not only implausible, but impossible, and still would not have had sufficient hull capacity for the total number of species to be carried on board--he resumes the argument on the basis of the assumption that such a vessel was possible, and that it would have had the capacity for all of the animals to have been transported.

This is par for the course for him, though, as he always changes the subject when he's driven to wall on any point.


Kinda reminds me of Mark Twain's hilarious hatchet job on James Fenimore Cooper's writing ability...and the dimensions of the boat passing under the Indians in a tree.

One of the funniest of all Twain's work.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 11:31 am
It's too bad he didn't "do" the Ark--i lack his satirical skills.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 11:33 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives." Leviticus 20:13


Frank I am going to ignore you because you have ignored what I have said.

Eventually everyone will just leave you behind.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 11:37 am
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 11:40 am
Which has what, Rex, to do with the topic of "The Bible vs. Science?"
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 11:55 am
Setanta wrote:
Which has what, Rex, to do with the topic of "The Bible vs. Science?"


Figure it out.

The same thing I guess the dimensions of Noah's ark have...

My comment was in regard to Franks broken record.

The only five scriptures he knows in the Bible.

Slaves, gays, teens being brought before the elders and the "booty" of course.

The normal brainless stuff of someone who can't learn.

How can someone learn science when they select only a small portion of the total constructs and scope then blow that out of proportion and close their mind to anything else. I would call that a mental disorder. No easter bunny needed to keep that little fantasy alive. Just narrow mindedness and the vacancy of any reasoning facilities beyond the rut.

The OT is there to show the enlightened that there are really people like Frank that exist... That cannot see the forest for the trees that cannot reason beyond their own spiritual void.

Science has that same void.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 11:58 am
Your thesis suffers from the flaw that you have never demonstrated that science is subject to the blindness which you allege. Science concerns itself with naturalistic explanations of a naturalistic world. Were there any such thing as the supernatural, science would not be concerned with it.

You're just peddling bible-thumper propaganda here, attempting to get the camel's nose under the tent--to allege that science denies the existence of a deity. Whether or not there were a deity is not relevant to science, which is not concerned with the issue.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:00 pm
Setanta wrote:
Your thesis suffers from the flaw that you have never demonstrated that science is subject to the blindness which you allege. Science concerns itself with naturalistic explanations of a naturalistic world. Were there any such thing as the supernatural, science would not be concerned with it.

You're just peddling bible-thumper propaganda here, attempting to get the camel's nose under the tent--to allege that science denies the existence of a deity. Whether or not there were a deity is not relevant to science, which is not concerned with the issue.


Science cannot study God just as the Ford cannot study Henry...

So in essence I agree with you but that does not remove the void.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:01 pm
There is no void. Science cannot be accused of suffering from a void because it does not attempt to be what it is not.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:04 pm
Setanta wrote:
There is no void. Science cannot be accused of suffering from a void because it does not attempt to be what it is not.


There is a void yet, science should not suffer from what it cannot know but it can, and will, because we are all affected by the unknown whether if we acknowledge it or not.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:07 pm
Setanta wrote:
There is no void. Science cannot be accused of suffering from a void because it does not attempt to be what it is not.

Exactly. What rex is saying is no different than saying a toaster 'suffers from a void' because it can't also keep your beer cold.
Rather ridiculous (lack of)reasoning if you ask me.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:15 pm
Rl has an answer for this Heighth thing. He states that mountains are post flood and that continental drift didnt start occuring till afetr the flood. Now weve already calculated drift rates for a 6000 years old earth, I wonder how fast the continents would be moving to begin creating mountains as the flood receeded, the surf would certainly be "up".
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:18 pm
In ordinary conversation, if you say something stupid, you can always console yourself that it will be forgotten, or that it won't leave the circle of those before whom you made a fool of yourself.

One of the nastier aspects of doing this online is that your idiocies are deathless . . .
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:23 pm
Doktor S wrote:
Setanta wrote:
There is no void. Science cannot be accused of suffering from a void because it does not attempt to be what it is not.

Exactly. What rex is saying is no different than saying a toaster 'suffers from a void' because it can't also keep your beer cold.
Rather ridiculous (lack of)reasoning if you ask me.


Considering how dumb science is and how smart God is, yes, it is ridiculous and foolish to argue with the creator.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:24 pm
So, you know this, Rex, because you talk to "God," and she answers?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:27 pm
Setanta wrote:
So, you know this, Rex, because you talk to "God," and she answers?


Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Comment:
When is this stuff ever going to click with some of you?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:31 pm
Since we are talking about Noah and the Ark, kind of, I have a question. What does everyone think of the recent possible find of Noah's ark?

If you haven't heard yet, I can find the link.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:32 pm
RexRed wrote:
Setanta wrote:
So, you know this, Rex, because you talk to "God," and she answers?


Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Comment:
When is this stuff ever going to click with some of you?


"Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess, provided you BUY them from among the neighboring nations. You may also BUY them from among the aliens who reside with you and from their children who are born and reared in your land. Such slaves YOU MAY OWN AS CHATTELS, and leave to your sons as their hereditary property, MAKING THEM PERPETUAL SLAVES. But you shall not lord it harshly over any of the Israelites, your kinsmen."

Leviticus 25:44ff

When?????
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:33 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Setanta wrote:
So, you know this, Rex, because you talk to "God," and she answers?


Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Comment:
When is this stuff ever going to click with some of you?


"Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess, provided you BUY them from among the neighboring nations. You may also BUY them from among the aliens who reside with you and from their children who are born and reared in your land. Such slaves YOU MAY OWN AS CHATTELS, and leave to your sons as their hereditary property, MAKING THEM PERPETUAL SLAVES. But you shall not lord it harshly over any of the Israelites, your kinsmen."

Leviticus 25:44ff

When?????



Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:33 pm
RexRed wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
Setanta wrote:
There is no void. Science cannot be accused of suffering from a void because it does not attempt to be what it is not.

Exactly. What rex is saying is no different than saying a toaster 'suffers from a void' because it can't also keep your beer cold.
Rather ridiculous (lack of)reasoning if you ask me.


Considering how dumb science is and how smart God is, yes, it is ridiculous and foolish to argue with the creator.

Way to completely miss the point.

Quote:

When is this stuff ever going to click with some of you?

Perhaps if you shared the drugs you were taking when you thought it up?
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