Fight the U.N. Gun Ban

I think it's funny that this issue, which the NRA and I long ago swept under the bear skin rug, still rates airtime at A2K.

oralloy wrote:

blatham wrote:

what would john bolton shoot? (bolton on why he avoided viet nam... "I didn't fancy the idea of dying in a rice paddy")

I wouldn't mind seeing Bolton take out IANSA.

Would he bravely enter this fight wielding his desk, his financial holdings, or lesser peoples' expendable children?

Global registration and tracking of firearms would inevitably lead to the global disarmament of free citizens everywhere;

oralloy wrote:

Global registration and tracking of firearms would inevitably lead to the global disarmament of free citizens everywhere;

Too funny.

If somebody said 'A global registration and tracking of cars would inevitably deprive free citizens everywhere of cars and force them to walk', people would laugh it off and declare that person a paranoid idiot.

But here you have the single most powerful non-profit organization in the US with 4.3 million members talk that kind of rubbish, and people actually believe it.

old europe wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Global registration and tracking of firearms would inevitably lead to the global disarmament of free citizens everywhere;

Too funny.

If somebody said 'A global registration and tracking of cars would inevitably deprive free citizens everywhere of cars and force them to walk', people would laugh it off and declare that person a paranoid idiot.

But here you have the single most powerful non-profit organization in the US with 4.3 million members talk that kind of rubbish, and people actually believe it.

Hardly rubbish. We aren't going to stand for the UN trying to pass measures like this.

oralloy wrote:

Global registration and tracking of firearms would inevitably lead to the global disarmament of free citizens everywhere;

Too funny.

If somebody said 'A global registration and tracking of cars would inevitably deprive free citizens everywhere of cars and force them to walk', people would laugh it off and declare that person a paranoid idiot.

But here you have the single most powerful non-profit organization in the US with 4.3 million members talk that kind of rubbish, and people actually believe it.

U have an unhealthy confidence
in governments not being dangerous.

oralloy wrote:

old europe wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Global registration and tracking of firearms would inevitably lead to the global disarmament of free citizens everywhere;

Too funny.

If somebody said 'A global registration and tracking of cars would inevitably deprive free citizens everywhere of cars and force them to walk', people would laugh it off and declare that person a paranoid idiot.

But here you have the single most powerful non-profit organization in the US with 4.3 million members talk that kind of rubbish, and people actually believe it.

Hardly rubbish. We aren't going to stand for the UN trying to pass measures like this.

Certainly rubbish. You can't show how even a global registration of guns would inevitably lead to "the global disarmament of free citizens everywhere."

You can't even tell us how the UN would single-handedly enforce any kind of regulation without the consent of the United States.

I am afraid there will be a huge medical crisis if Hillary is elected. People like Gunga having heart attacks and strokes from the high blood pressure her victory would cause.

The good news is Hillary will eventually have them all on insurance.
The bad news is she won't take office for 3 months after she is elected.

old europe wrote:

oralloy wrote:

old europe wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Global registration and tracking of firearms would inevitably lead to the global disarmament of free citizens everywhere;

Too funny.

If somebody said 'A global registration and tracking of cars would inevitably deprive free citizens everywhere of cars and force them to walk', people would laugh it off and declare that person a paranoid idiot.

But here you have the single most powerful non-profit organization in the US with 4.3 million members talk that kind of rubbish, and people actually believe it.

Hardly rubbish. We aren't going to stand for the UN trying to pass measures like this.

Certainly rubbish. You can't show how even a global registration of guns would inevitably lead to "the global disarmament of free citizens everywhere."

Sorry. We aren't falling for it. Nice try.

old europe wrote:

You can't even tell us how the UN would single-handedly enforce any kind of regulation without the consent of the United States.

Unfortunately most of the Democratic Party also hates our freedom. The UN and the DNC would team up and assault our Constitution together.

oralloy wrote:

old europe wrote:

oralloy wrote:

old europe wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Global registration and tracking of firearms would inevitably lead to the global disarmament of free citizens everywhere;

Too funny.

If somebody said 'A global registration and tracking of cars would inevitably deprive free citizens everywhere of cars and force them to walk', people would laugh it off and declare that person a paranoid idiot.

But here you have the single most powerful non-profit organization in the US with 4.3 million members talk that kind of rubbish, and people actually believe it.

Hardly rubbish. We aren't going to stand for the UN trying to pass measures like this.

Certainly rubbish. You can't show how even a global registration of guns would inevitably lead to "the global disarmament of free citizens everywhere."

Sorry. We aren't falling for it. Nice try.

You aren't falling for what? For the claim that a registration of firearms wouldn't necessarily lead to a ban?

So I'll claim that warrantless surveillance programmes will inevitably lead to dictatorship. Am I right?

oralloy wrote:

old europe wrote:

You can't even tell us how the UN would single-handedly enforce any kind of regulation without the consent of the United States.

Unfortunately most of the Democratic Party also hates our freedom. The UN and the DNC would team up and assault our Constitution together.

They hate your freedom? How so?

They hate your freedom? How so? Outside of the 2nd Amendment, are you also worried about the assault on the Constitution when it comes to the suspension of habeas corpus, or to warrentless wiretapping?

There is a long history of gun banners starting with gun registration, contemptuously telling us that we had nothing to fear about confiscation, and then turning around and banning the guns as soon as the registration went through.

Probably not. Is there a long history of people using such programs to lead to dictatorship?

There is a long history of gun banners starting with gun registration, contemptuously telling us that we had nothing to fear about confiscation, and then turning around and banning the guns as soon as the registration went through.

Are the people doing the warrantless wiretapping saying they want to create a dictatorship?

The people behind the UN's nefarious programs are saying they want to take guns from civilians.

old europe wrote:

They hate your freedom? How so?

They wish to violate our Constitutional gun rights.

Britian doesn't ban all guns but has registration.

Australia doesn't ban all guns but has registration.

It seems your "long history" might not exist.

oralloy wrote:

There is a long history of gun banners starting with gun registration, contemptuously telling us that we had nothing to fear about confiscation, and then turning around and banning the guns as soon as the registration went through.

Really? A long history of gun banners? Name three.

oralloy wrote:

Are the people doing the warrantless wiretapping saying they want to create a dictatorship?

No.

Are the people trying to get guns registered saying they want to create a dictatorship?

oralloy wrote:

The people behind the UN's nefarious programs are saying they want to take guns from civilians.

Really? I thought they were saying they want to keep guns from illegal arms dealers, from dictators arming their militias, from people forcing kids to become child soldiers, ....

oralloy wrote:

old europe wrote:

They hate your freedom? How so?

They wish to violate our Constitutional gun rights.

Really?

But the Constitution only says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, right?

How does a registration of guns violate the right keep and bear arms?