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Bill O'Reilly caught lyin' again.

 
 
BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 10:43 pm
Roxxxanne objected to my "Thoughts." I think she has a point. So I will give her "Facts". I am very much afraid that she is mistaken about the growth of "Air America". The facts show that Air America is a dismal failure.

Sierra song is indeed correct.

Air America's flagship station, WLIB, has an extremely low 1.1 rating.

The rating was 1.4 in the fall of 2005. The flagship station's ratings are indeed falling.

Boston? 0.6

San Diego--from 2.3 to 1.9 to 1.6

Philadelphia from 0.8 to 0.6

Additionally, there is this meaty explanation:
"What Really Explains Air America's Failure?
Posted by John Matthews on March 5, 2006 - 21:08.
Michelle Malkin links to Brian Maloney at The Radio Equalizer who reports:

While Air America Radio's loss of two affiliates in Phoenix and Missoula, Montana is generating news this week, the company itself probably hasn't been able to give either city a second thought.

Why? In a development sure to rip the heart right out of the liberal radio network's already ailing body, it appears extremely likely their leased New York City flagship station WLIB-AM will soon abandon Air America programming.

Even worse, litigation looks probable over the station's lease.
...
So what's brought Air America to the edge of its grave?

Some blame Al Franken. He's not funny or interesting.

Others ask whether even liberals wanted to listen to Bobby Kennedy Jr's rant about environmentalism once they learned he owns three large homes, flies private jets, and opposes wind energy projects in coastal waters near oceanfront properties he owns in Massachusetts and New York.

And, of course, the company's shady financial dealings drove away potential investors whose money might have helped Air America hire talented people.

While all that's true, it doesn't get at the most important reason for Air America's impending demise: It's failure to woo enough liberals away from their favorite liberal talk radio network: the giant, government subsidized National Public Radio"
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 06:50 am
Air America is back on in Phoenix. Start telling the truth. I guess that's har d to do when you regurgitate a liar like Malkin's garbage.

Impendinfg demise. The liars have been saying this for two years. AAR is still here and growing.

Lying liars who lie. Indeed.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 06:52 am
And so the thread is hijacked away from that lying liar O'Reilly....
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 06:57 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
OMFG the Judge Posner fruitcake is back?

To be fair, it is entirely possible that there is more than one Posner-quoting fruitcake in the world. Although I suspect you are right, and we should extend a warm A2K welcome-back message to the ex-DeadGato.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 06:57 am
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Olbermann handed O'Reilly "Worst Person" designation for false claim that NY public-school teachers are instructed to ignore profanity

Summary: MSNBC's Keith Olbermann again named Bill O'Reilly the winner of Countdown's nightly "Worst Person in the World" award, this time for falsely claiming, as Media Matters for America noted, that public-school teachers in New York City "are instructed not to say a word" about students "going, 'F-you, you mother-F'er,' in school."

On the May 5 edition of MSNBC's Countdown, host Keith Olbermann again named Fox News' Bill O'Reilly the winner of his nightly "Worst Person in the World" award, this time for falsely claiming, as Media Matters for America noted, that public-school teachers in New York City "are instructed not to say a word" about students "going, 'F-you, you mother-F'er,' in school." O'Reilly maintained that using such profanity is "[a]cceptable in the public school" because "they don't want to deal with it." In fact, according to the New York City schools' discipline code, "sing profane, obscene, vulgar, lewd or abusive language or gestures" is a "Level 2 infraction" that is considered "disorderly disruptive behavior" and is punishable by a range of disciplinary actions.

O'Reilly, who is a frequent recipient of Olbermann's "Worst Person in the World" award, most recently received the designation on May 1, for asserting that NBC News has inroads of a "far-left cabal" but Fox News is not "a right wing enterprise."

From the May 5 edition of Countdown with Keith Olbermann:

OLBERMANN: But first, time for Countdown's latest list of nominees for the Worst Person in the World. The bronze: David Morris, one of the directors of the British soccer team Queens Park Rangers, QPR. He's been accused of forcing one of his fellow directors to quit. No, I mean forcing -- hiring a bunch of thugs to take him into a room and threaten him with a gun until he wrote out a letter of resignation.

Today's runner-up: Prince Henrik, the father-in-law of Princess Mary of Denmark. Prince Henrik is honorary president of the Danish Dachshund Club, noted dog lover, and now we know why. He's told a Danish magazine that he loves eating dogs, that they taste like rabbit or veal. Now, Prince Henrik is a great Dane, after all.

But today's winner: Bill O. His latest sign of the apocalypse, the one going on in his own head: How New York City school teachers have been, quote, "instructed not to do anything even if a 6-year-old says, 'F-you, you mother F'er,' in school." Quoting Bill there. Actually, New York City schools' discipline codes call language like that a Level 2 infraction, which requires at least a conference, maybe a suspension. Maybe the teachers have just been told to look the other way if a 6-year-old says "F-you, you mother F'er" to Bill. Bill O'Reilly, today's Worst Person in the World.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 06:58 am
A great many members are convinced that Bernard is Ital-Massa-Mortkat-Gato.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 07:41 am
Actually what with Olbermann's choice, I would have given the Head of QPR the number one prize with O'Reilly in a close second. Still, O'Reilly is in America and people have actually heard of him, so I guess he would be the one to get the prize in an America-centric program...
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BernardR
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 10:31 pm
I really do not understand why so many of the American public watch O'Reilly. Roxxxanne had pointed out his misinterpretations of the New York Schools discipline code. That alone should sink O'Reilly's ship.
Personally, I read and watch more even handed and objective news outlets like "The Nation" magazine and "Bill Maher."
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 07:34 am
More people read and hear about BOR lying then watch him. (For instance, more people listen to Randi Rhodes on AAR than watch BOR.)
Michelle Malkin is trying to desperately to be a female version of BOR.

Yet another lie:

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O'Reilly claimed, Malkin agreed that CA proposal to teach LGBT history would prevent teachers from "say[ing] bad things about Jeffrey Dahmer" because he was "a gay cannibal"

Summary: Bill O'Reilly claimed that, under a California bill that would require textbooks to recognize the accomplishments of historical lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender [LGBT] figures, "if you are a teacher ... you're not going to be able to say bad things about [convicted murderer] Jeffrey Dahmer," because Dahmer was "a gay cannibal." In fact, the proposal "would add the role and contributions of LGBT people" to the list of "traditionally underrepresented groups," whose historical contributions, under current state law, are required to be included in "textbooks and other school instructional materials."

During the May 8 broadcast of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly claimed that, under a California state bill that would require textbooks to recognize the accomplishments of historical lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender [LGBT] figures, "if you are a teacher ... you're not going to be able to say bad things about [convicted murderer] Jeffrey Dahmer," because Dahmer was "a gay cannibal." Conservative columnist Michelle Malkin agreed that O'Reilly's evaluation of the proposed legislation's impact was "right," adding that it "is a very radical, very extreme, dangerous bill" that "is pure political propaganda." O'Reilly called the bill "a form of fascism ... n the sense that you have to say good things about this group."

In fact, the proposal "would add the role and contributions of LGBT people" to the list of "traditionally underrepresented groups," whose historical contributions, under current law, are required to be included in California "textbooks and other school instructional materials." As an April 16 report by the San Francisco Chronicle noted, the bill -- which the Los Angeles Times called "a textbook lesson in political meddling" -- would "require California public school textbooks to include gay and lesbian history" by adding sexual orientation to an existing law that requires textbooks to identify the gender and ethnicity of historical figures who contributed to "the economic, political and social development of California and the United States of America, with particular emphasis on portraying the role of these groups in contemporary society." Nothing in the bill would prevent a teacher from saying "bad things about Jeffrey Dahmer."

From the May 8 broadcast of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

MALKIN: Well, this is much more radical than ensuring that homosexuals and other people of minority sexual orientation status are respected in the schools. It's already against the law in California to discriminate against anyone based on their sexual orientation.

I looked at this bill over very closely, and it is a very radical, very extreme, dangerous bill. It says that no teacher can even say anything that would, quote unquote, "reflect adversely" on anyone, a historical figure, whatever, based on their sexual orientation.

And so, now, there are real concerns that this could be interpreted broadly in the liberal Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and other liberal courts, as saying that you can't even have sports teams, for example, that discriminate based on gender. And this is pure political propaganda.

O'REILLY: Well -- and also, if you are a teacher, what are you -- you're not going to be able to say bad things about Jeffrey Dahmer? He's a cannibal, a gay cannibal, and you can't say, "Well, that's wrong." I mean, if what you're saying is true, teachers would not be able to cast aspersions on even villains if they were homosexual.

MALKIN: Yeah, that's right. And in any case, I think school teachers in California and everywhere else ought to be paying more attention to whether or not third graders can find, oh, Sacramento or Washington, D.C., on a map than what the sexual orientation is of historical figures in America.

It's actually kind of hypocritical, because I thought that the gay rights lobbyists were all for privacy and keeping things in the bedroom. And here they are on this crusade to out people in some sort of weird, twisted way to boost the self-esteem of gay students? I don't get it.

O'REILLY: All right. Kirsten, maybe you do.

KIRSTEN POWERS (Democratic strategist): Well, I think -- I understand the impulse behind it, and what Michelle was talking about, about not being able to say anything negative about someone who is gay is just -- it's completely ridiculous, and it's -- it goes against, I think, every, you know, value we have in terms of free speech.

[...]

O'REILLY: Isn't it a form of fascism -- and I don't use that word lightly -- for California or anybody else, any other state, to be mandating that a certain lesson pattern be embraced by teachers? In the sense that you have to say good things about this group. That's not intellectual freedom, is it?

POWERS: Well, it's not intellectual freedom. But it's not only liberals or Californians --

O'REILLY: But isn't that a form of fascism? Government's not in the business of telling teachers to say good things about a group, is it?


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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 11 May, 2006 12:22 am
When I read transcripts like the one that Roxxxanne offered, I become really upset. I have, I believe, always believed in the First Amendment and Freedom of Speech but somewhere, somehow, a line must be drawn.

Could one not say that the lying engaged in by O"Reilly is far worse than even the most degraded pornography since pornography does not destroy the mind as O'Reilly does?

Where are our legislators with courage? When will O"Reilly be banned?

Our schools have done a terrible job. Only school systems that never taught their students the difference between truth and lies would be responsible for the situation we find ourselves in at this time. The deolorable situation is exacerbated by the fact that Fox News is the most highly rated Cable outlet for News.

Something must be done!!!

Perhaps Ted Kennedy could lead the charge!!!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 11 May, 2006 07:11 am
BernardR wrote:
When I read transcripts like the one that Roxxxanne offered, I become really upset. I have, I believe, always believed in the First Amendment and Freedom of Speech but somewhere, somehow, a line must be drawn.


Mr. Justice Holmes articulated where the line is drawn. It was he who said that freedom of speech does not confer the right to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater. The line is drawn at criminality. Any speech which intends to incite to criminality is not protected. All other speech is protected. Your likes and dislikes, and surreal fantasies about the effects of public education, have absolutely no bearing on the subject.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 11 May, 2006 07:17 am
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Thu 11 May, 2006 07:42 am
Is it just me or do Bill O'Reilly's guests do very little talking (even those he agrees with)?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 03:17 am
I still do not understand why a "liar" like O'Reilly has so many viewers.

Surely, his speech falls under the rubric of "Shouting fire in a crowded theatre", and, as such, should be banned from the public airways.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 07:09 am
mediamatters.org

Quote:
'Reilly compared Franken, "assassins" on the "Internet" and "cable television," to DJ who threatened "to do an R. Kelly" on a rival's 4-year-old daughter

Summary: On May 10, Bill O'Reilly compared Al Franken -- as well as "assassins" on the "Internet" and "cable television" -- to a New York City radio disc jockey who threatened "to do an R. Kelly" on the four-year-old daughter of a rival station's announcer. O'Reilly declared the DJ's remarks to be a "very troubling aspect of American society" which "started on the Internet where you have a bunch of people there who assassinate people."

During the May 10 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Bill O'Reilly compared liberal radio host and author Al Franken -- as well as "assassins" on the "Internet" and "cable television" -- to a New York City radio disc jockey who threatened "to do an R. Kelly" on the four-year-old daughter of a rival station's announcer. O'Reilly described the DJ's threat to "do an R. Kelly" as "want[ing] to attack [the rival's] four-year-old daughter." R. Kelly is an R&B singer who was "indicted on 21 counts of child pornography stemming from a videotape that allegedly shows him having sex with an underage girl," according to CNN.com.

O'Reilly declared the DJ's remarks to be a "very troubling aspect of American society" which "started on the Internet where you have a bunch of people there who assassinate people; say vile things about people; threaten people every single day." O'Reilly stated: "[Y]ou know who these people are. ... I don't have to name them for you." Continuing, O'Reilly claimed that the "hatred, vitriol, [and] defamation" has spread to radio and cable television and specifically pointed to Franken as "a vile ... disgusting human being, that's failing in every way." O'Reilly claimed, "You got a couple of people on cable news programs that do this every night of the week, and the big companies that employ them are the companies that should be held accountable."

On May 10, Clear Channel Communications fired Troi Torain, known locally as DJ Star on top-rated radio station Power 105 (WWPR), for offering listeners $500 for information on the four-year-old daughter of a rival announcer, because Torain wished to "disrespect [his] seed." Torain added: "If you didn't hear me, I said I would like to do an R. Kelly on your seed. On your little baby girl." According to the New York Daily News:

Torain, 42, described in graphic detail what he meant by the reference to the R&B singer Kelly, who allegedly committed an unnatural act on an underage girl, a stunt captured on a widely circulated video.

Torain has since apologized for his comments and is reportedly being investigated for possibly having committed a hate crime with his remarks.

From the May 11 edition of Westwood One's The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:

O'REILLY: Clear Channel is a big radio company. It employed a DJ named Star in New York City . Here's what this guy said. Go.

TORAIN [audio clip]: Yes, I've disrespected your seed. Where -- where does kid go to school? I've got 500 bucks for that -- for that information. If you didn't hear me, I said I would like to do an R. Kelly on your seed.

O'REILLY: OK. So this vile individual who, again, works for a major media company in this country has a feud with another DJ on another channel in New York City and -- and wants to attack his four-year-old daughter. By that -- that's what an R. Kelly is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's disgusting.

O'REILLY: OK. So, he asked his listeners to tell him where the little girl goes to school and offered $500 for that information.

Now, the guy's been fired. He's been fired. OK. But he wasn't fired until a local New York politician brought it to the media. Clear Channel didn't fire him the moment he said it. They kept him there. So, this, ladies and gentlemen, is a -- a very troubling aspect of American society -- extremely troubling. It started on the Internet where you have a bunch of people there who assassinate people; say vile things about people; threaten people every single day. Then, it morphed into radio. And you know who these people are. I don't have to -- I don't have to name them for you. You know who they are. Where everyday , they just spew hatred, vitriol, defamation on the radio. And now, it's in cable television. It's in cable television.

You got a couple of people on cable news programs that do this every night of the week, and the big companies that employ them are the companies that should be held accountable. OK.

Now , if you are a famous person at all, you cannot sue. If you have any notoriety at all, if anybody knows your name, you can't sue. And if you do sue, then you empower the person who's attacking you. You see, you give them more publicity.

You know when that -- when that vile Al Franken, that disgusting human being that's failing in every way he can. The -- Air America just lost their New York City affiliate. When he attacked me in his book a couple of weeks ago -- not a couple of weeks ago, a couple of years ago -- News Corporation made a mistake in actually trying to sue the guy, and, of course, that helped his book sales.

Now, his last book bombed, nobody bought it, because we all ignored it. So, that's what I'm saying to you. If you give these people any publicity, if you mention their name, if you take them to court, then they prosper. That's what they want, these assassins.

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 09:26 am
Quote:
when that vile Al Franken, that disgusting human being that's failing in every way he can.


Laughing Laughing Laughing
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 09:46 am
Here's a classic O'Reilly meltdown (with guest Phil Donahue):

Click for link to page and classic video (all formats)



BernardR wrote:
I still do not understand why a "liar" like O'Reilly has so many viewers.


We heard you the first time you said it. It seems your trying to be funny. Your failing miserably.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 09:47 am
Laughing Laughing Laughing

Is right... even McGentrix can spot a projection!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 12:48 pm
BernardR wrote:
I still do not understand why a "liar" like O'Reilly has so many viewers.

Surely, his speech falls under the rubric of "Shouting fire in a crowded theatre", and, as such, should be banned from the public airways.


Really, I/M/M/B--if you assert that O'Reilly intentionally incites to criminality, you ought at least to the decency to provide some evidence for your charges.
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 01:13 pm
Setanta wrote:
Really, I/M/M/B--if you assert that O'Reilly intentionally incites to criminality, you ought at least to the decency to provide some evidence for your charges.


He wasn't being serious. He was going for the "sarcastic/funny" angle. It didn't work.
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