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The Coming Ugliness

 
 
talk72000
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 06:09 pm
Bill Clinton had a lot to do with the media becoming right-wing as he allowed media mergers.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 07:11 pm
Clinton turned the nation to the right much faster than it otherwise would have gone. I said this during his presidencey, and still believe it. Which is why I voted Green when he ran the second time.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 06:18 am
from Sidney Blumenthal
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April 27, 2006 | The urgent dispatch of Karl Rove to the business of maintaining one-party rule in the midterm elections is the Bush White House's belated startle reflex to its endangerment. Besieged by crises of his own making, plummeting to ever lower depths in the polls week after week, Bush has assigned his political general to muster dwindling forces for a heroic offensive to break out of the closing ring. If the Democrats gain control of the House or Senate they will launch a thousand subpoenas to establish the oversight that has been abdicated by the Republican Congress...

The Republican cathedral of his dreams in ruins, Rove has now discharged formal control of moribund domestic policy to a protégé, Joel Kaplan (a former law clerk of Justice Antonin Scalia's), in a reshuffle of the White House senior staff that includes the rise of another Rove protégé, Josh Bolten, as chief of staff, replacing Andrew Card, a New England Bush family factotum left over from the term of the elder Bush who was not one of Rove's creations. As Bolten has explained privately, Rove remains at the apex of a new iron triangle, just as he stood at the peak of the Texas triangle of Karen Hughes, Joe Allbaugh and himself that managed George W. Bush's 2000 campaign for president.

Rove's lieutenants have been promoted to hold the fort while he begins the epic defense of the embattled regime. His mission is to salvage the Republican majority in Congress from the blighted corruption of its leadership and rescue the Bush White House from the consequences of its own radical policies on everything from the endless Iraq war to skyrocketing gasoline prices. In 2004, Rove was still able to manage the Bush campaign on the momentum of fear from Sept. 11. No longer perceived by the public as a rock of security, Bush's rigid leadership is seen as the source of turbulence. Security was his promise, but disorder has become his byproduct.

So Rove must depend on the tricks of his trade -- arousing fear of gays and other threats (Hollywood) to traditional family values, as he did in 2004; spinning national security to cast the Democrats as weak and unpatriotic, as he did in 2002; using well-financed front groups and his regular corps of political consultants to outsource smears and produce them as television and radio commercials, as he did to destroy John McCain in the Republican primaries of 2000 and John Kerry in 2004; and conducting whispering campaigns about the personal lives of those he seeks to annihilate, as he has done since his devastating rumor-mongering about then Texas Gov. Ann Richards as a "lesbian" helped install his patron in the Lone Star Statehouse in 1994 as the springboard for the White House...

The ferocious defense of Bush's radical presidency is being mounted on other fronts. In the face of the generals who commanded the troops in Iraq and demand the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld for blind arrogance and unswerving incompetence, Bush has reaffirmed his support. In the last two weeks, Rumsfeld has appeared on 14 right-wing radio talk shows, securing "the base" and giving full vent to his untethered personality.

The administration's die-hard supporters in the Senate, meanwhile, are fighting to prevent the Armed Services Committee from calling the generals to testify. Frustrating congressional oversight is essential to preserving executive power. Checks and balances are the enemy of the Bush White House.
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Here, Blumenthal is looking at the ideological component in what is/will drive this administration (and key elements in the new conservative movement) over the next six months. To put that another way, Blumenthal is pointing to motives other than mere individual self-preservation (from future legal procedings and possible incarceration which may well arise as consequence of losing the majority in the Senate or House and the certain dismantling of some present barriers to transparency and serious investigations). This is a valuable way to understand the matter as, even if many in this administration end up in jail as they likely should, they would constitute a very small percentage of the movement's members/supporters. Bill Kristol, Dobson, Coulter, the insurance or energy execs and lobbyists, the movement media stooges at Fox, etc aren't in legal jeopardy but they'll all fight tooth and nail to prevent the loss of power. Though ideologues, they are, as a movement, acutely cognizant that their ideologies are quite irrelevant if they lose legislative power. Of course, for many, this will also jeopardize their priviledges and even livelihoods.

And it is important to understand that the ideology(s) at issue encompass both domestic and international spheres. In the domestic sphere, this involves reversing the New Deal, deregulating business/commerce, and re-ordering society by enforcing consensus around a single and exclusive moral world-view and through eliminating so much as is possible the institutions and traditions (eg courts, independent press) which functioned to limit or attenuate autocratic exercise of power. In the international sphere, the ideology is apparent in rejection of agreements, treaties, and of an entire set of ideas and codes designed (in great part by the US) to limit and attenuate moves by any single state towards hegemony. see here

Consider the potential consequences if the conservatives lose Senate or House dominance in six months, and then if investigations lead in the direction of war crimes (Nuremburg) committed by this administration and its military leaders. Who, internationally, will speak in defence of what has gone on under the tenure of this administration? Blair is deeply wounded now, in great part through his 'poodle' stance re America. The Italian PM is busy humping traffic cops and has lost the last election. Howard? Unquestioning or uncritical support will come only from Israel.

There's a lot at stake.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 07:41 am
blatham wrote-

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There's a lot at stake.


I rather think you are over-egging the pudding here bernie.

There's a report in one of our leading journals which says that Professor Fred Quimby of Oxford University,an expert in media trends,is predicting that everyone will be an expert in everything by 2008.

He has said:"Thanks to the influence of the internet,24 hour news and daytime educational TV programmes,the range of subject matter the average person now feels qualified to spout about has grown immeasurably. Any topic from antiques valuation to Space Shuttle repairs is now well within the reach of an unemployable person with a PC or access to satellite television."

He has gone on to say: "Years ago, in order to become an expert in forensic science, you had to study at university for many years and pass exams. These days, the man in the street just has to watch 6 hours of 'Forenscic Detectives' on the Discovery Channel to reach a similar level of expertise. And if he flicks about during the adverts he can build up a working knowledge of Egyptology, air crash investigation and secret Nazi weapons of World War 11 at the same time."

Obviously a population educated to such levels of expertise,it seems to me, will have no difficulty in electing responsible leaders who will sort all these teething troubles out quick-style. And 2008 is not all that far off.

Surely it wouldn't strain your patience to hang on till that glorious year dawns during which,I believe,your next Presidential election takes place.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 09:34 am
spendi wrote:
There's a report in one of our leading journals which says that Professor Fred Quimby of Oxford University,an expert in media trends,is predicting that everyone will be an expert in everything by 2008.


Such hogwash from an expert.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 05:48 pm
Third rate metaphor.

Hogs will never wash as good as that whilever they have pink,curly tails.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 05:53 pm
Okay, bull shet from a professor.
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 05:55 pm
Spendius: and your pig metaphor is 4th rate. We have a big problem in this country. Bush and company. Zbigniew Brzezinski has written about them recently. Don't have the link just now...but he definitely is a realist who is worried that the Bushies have fallen so low that they will play the "Nuclear Card" to save themselves. Rove, if he is not close to indictment will play as dirty as he ever has and more so.

We are the realists here.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 05:55 pm
While I'm thinking about it why do pigs have pink,curly tails. They say evolution doesn't waste energy so pink,curly tails must be the result of some advantageous mutation.

Could you explain what it might have been?
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 05:57 pm
VN-

It wasn't my pig metaphor.It was c.i.'s.Take it up with him.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 06:02 pm
spendi

Clearly, the fellow is wrong. Some percentage of that future population will find comfort in cynicism and equanimity in helplessness.
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 06:11 pm
Spendius: "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear!" (Shakespeare loosely) Bush tries daily to do this.

This admin is so dangerous to the health and future of this country. I invite you all to a website set up by a 15 yr old girl. Peacetakescourage.com She is amazing.

You will see images that will not be seen in the media in this country. These are the types of scenes we saw that ended the Vietnam War and Cheney and Rumsfeld learned their lessons well. Keep the people uninformed and stupid.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 04:36 am
VN wrote-

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Keep the people uninformed and stupid.


Yes-it is probably best. If everybody was as well informed and intelligent as what you obviously are I don't think things would run as smoothly as they thankfully do.
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 02:00 pm
Well, and my compliments to you too! Little wee cranky today? Laughing
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 07:13 am
Re VNN's note on images unseen in American media...

As one commentary had it recently, the difference between American media coverage of the war and middle eastern media coverage of the war was that American media showed the missles taking off and middle eastern media showed them landing. That's an astute observation and demonstrates how sterilized the US media is and the degree to which it functions as a propaganda vehicle.

Here's a brave (and hilarious) exception... http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73737&highlight=
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 11:00 am
blatham, People on the right won't understand your point, unless you do a show and tell. Even then, I don't give them much hope of the right understanding the sterlization of our media.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 2 May, 2006 04:43 am
ci

That's understood. Our experience suggests that most of the folks here who support this administration and the party it represents will continue to do so quite regardless of all else. It is now the case that (as we understand by polling results) American evangelical christians are more likely to support torture as a government policy than are non-christians, and that 85% of the American soldiers fighting in Iraq believe that their presence is justified by Saddam's contributing role in the 9/11 attacks. Changing minds in this climate seems a delusional goal. On the other hand, increasing our understanding of what's going on remains a fruitful and worthy effort.

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USA Today fronts a poll showing President Bush's rating at 34 percent, a record low for the poll. The paper points out that since 1950, Gallup (which conducted USAT's poll) has clocked six times when a president's approval rating was below 50 percent in the spring before a midterm election. His party lost control of the House all six times.
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There really aren't any dependable analyses which omit mention of the present situation where incumbency is going to be tougher than ever to upset. But the prospect of just that result continues to increase in likelihood. There is now so little that's positive which the RNC and movement people might promote over the next six months and thus they will go negative. As the stakes are what they are, they can probably be counted on to get seriously ugly.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 May, 2006 09:35 am
"Ugly" during the next election is a forgone conclusion. We all know about the Rove Tactics.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 2 May, 2006 09:38 am
Too bad the Dems don't have anyone as politically knowledgable and slick as Rove is. Maybe then they would stand a chance.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 2 May, 2006 09:45 am
McGentrix wrote:
Too bad the Dems don't have anyone as politically knowledgable and slick as Rove is. Maybe then they would stand a chance.


They did have Clinton...
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