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Iran Air Strikes Growing in Probability

 
 
blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2007 10:29 am
Washington 'snubbed Iran offer'

Iran gives millions of dollars to support the Hezbollah movement
Iran offered the US a package of concessions in 2003, but it was rejected, a senior former US official has told the BBC's Newsnight programme.
Tehran proposed ending support for Lebanese and Palestinian militant groups and helping to stabilise Iraq following the US-led invasion.

Offers, including making its nuclear programme more transparent, were conditional on the US ending hostility.

But Vice-President Dick Cheney's office rejected the plan, the official said.

The offers came in a letter, seen by Newsnight, which was unsigned but which the US state department apparently believed to have been approved by the highest authorities.

In return for its concessions, Tehran asked Washington to end its hostility, to end sanctions, and to disband the Iranian rebel group the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq and repatriate its members.

But as soon as it got to the White House, the old mantra of 'We don't talk to evil'... reasserted itself

Lawrence Wilkerson
Former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had allowed the rebel group to base itself in Iraq, putting it under US power after the invasion.

One of the then Secretary of State Colin Powell's top aides told the BBC the state department was keen on the plan - but was over-ruled.

"We thought it was a very propitious moment to do that," Lawrence Wilkerson told Newsnight.

"But as soon as it got to the White House, and as soon as it got to the Vice-President's office, the old mantra of 'We don't talk to evil'... reasserted itself."

Observers say the Iranian offer as outlined nearly four years ago corresponds pretty closely to what Washington is demanding from Tehran now.

Since that time, Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah inflicted significant military losses on the major US ally in the region, Israel, in the 2006 conflict and is now claiming increased political power in Lebanon.

Palestinian militant group Hamas won power in parliamentary elections a year ago, opening a new chapter of conflict in Gaza and the West Bank.

The UN Security Council has imposed sanctions on Iran following its refusal to suspend its uranium enrichment programme.

Iran denies US accusations that its nuclear programme is designed to produce weapons.

http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bbc.co.uk%2F2%2Fhi%2Fmiddle_east%2F6274147.stm
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xingu
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2007 08:05 am
Another reason why Bush will want to attack Iran.

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Jan. 18, 2007 14:56
Iran discovers new onshore oil field
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
TEHRAN, Iran

Iran has discovered a new onshore oil field with an estimated reserve of two billion barrels, state-run television reported Thursday.

Hassan Behbahani, an official of the National Iranian Southern Oil Fields Co., said the discovery was made at the Bangestan layer of the Ab-Teymour oil field, in the oil-rich province of Khuzestan, reported the state TV and Dow Jones Newswires.

The National Iranian Southern Oil Fields Co. is affiliated with the National Iranian Oil Co.
The newly discovered oil is in a layer around 40 square kilometers (15 square miles) wide, Behbahani said.

Iran, the second largest producer in the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, or OPEC, and the fourth largest in the world, possesses 12 percent of the world's crude, with an estimated 130 billion barrels of recoverable oil.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1167467763449&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2007 08:30 am
xingu wrote:
Another reason why Bush will want to attack Iran.
Yes... that does make the crock about needing nuclear power for electricity that much tougher to buy, doesn't it?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2007 08:38 am
Chris Floyd wrote:
That there will be war with Iran is now virtually guaranteed. The Bush Administration set out a clear casus belli over the weekend in two stories - masterworks of warmongering propaganda - appearing in two major bastions of the "liberal media."


from http://www.lewrockwell.com/floyd/floyd56.html
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 08:02 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
xingu wrote:
Another reason why Bush will want to attack Iran.
Yes... that does make the crock about needing nuclear power for electricity that much tougher to buy, doesn't it?


Well if Iran is trying to develope a nuclear weapon, and there is no clear evidence it is, then we should treat Iran in the same manner we treated Israel when she developed nuclear weapons.

Iran has shown itself to be a country that is not in the habit of attacking other countries. It has not attacked another country in the last two hundred years. Can you say that for America?

The president of Iran, like Bush, is an ignorant nutcase ruled by ideology. Unlike Bush he doesn't have the power to attack anyone. He is not a dictator. He was elected into office and in 2009 he may be elected out of office. Like Bush Ahmadinejad is not popular with the Iranian electorate.

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U.S. President George W. Bush's administration said the preliminary results from the elections represented a setback for Ahmadinejad. ``It would seem that they're not the results that President Ahmadinejad would have hoped for,'' State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters yesterday.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ayaG98iZ2c0Q&refer=home
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 08:18 am
Huh? Iran hasn't attacked anyone? Surely you jest. Ever hear of Lebanon? Hezbollah was formed and is funded by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. This is common knowledge. Using your logic; did the United States attack Cambodia? How about Laos? How about the couple dozen other countries we didn't officially declare war on?
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 08:35 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Huh? Iran hasn't attacked anyone? Surely you jest. Ever hear of Lebanon? Hezbollah was formed and is funded by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. This is common knowledge. Using your logic; did the United States attack Cambodia? How about Laos? How about the couple dozen other countries we didn't officially declare war on?


HUH? Hezbollah is not Iran nor is it ruled by Iran any more than Israel is ruled by America. We give 2+ billion dollars to Israel every years. Are you going to tell us we dictate their policy?
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 08:44 am
For all you warmongers out there who would love to see us drop nuclear bombs on Iran there is a resolution before Congress to prevent Bush from doing so unless he has approval from Congress. This resolution was not introduced by one of those "terrorist loving liberals who hate America" but by a conservative Republican.

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JONES INTRODUCES RESOLUTION REQUIRING CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL PRIOR TO USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAN

WASHINGTON, DC - Today Representative Walter B. Jones (R-NC) introduced H. J. Res. 14, a joint resolution concerning the use of force by the United States against Iran. The resolution requires that - absent a national emergency created by an attack, or a demonstrably imminent attack, by Iran upon the United States or its armed forces - the President must consult with Congress and receive specific authorization prior to initiating any use of military force against Iran.

http://jones.house.gov/release.cfm?id=472
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 08:48 am
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Third, many perceive Hezbollah as a tool of Iran and Syria. Perry argued that, while Iran and Syria provide arms and support, Hezbollah is an independent organization. He noted Hezbollah's assertion that their relationship with Iran is a consultative alliance, much like Israel's relationship with the United States. He did not believe Iran ordered Hezbollah's recent attack on Israel.


http://www.mideasti.org/articles/doc551.html
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 09:08 am
So in your opinion the United States had nothing to do with goings on in Nicaragua a few years back? Come on. You can't have it both ways. Pretending Iran isn't complicit in aggression unless their own Military is taking the lead is as ridiculous as claiming the same about the United States.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 09:12 am
U.S. biggest obstacle in Iran's nuclear standoff: official

Tehran Times Political Desk
TEHRAN - The United States is the biggest obstacle on the path of resolving Iran's nuclear issue through negotiation, the Director of the Center for Strategic Studies at the Expediency Council Hassan Rowhani said here Tuesday.

Iran is prepared to take all the necessary measures to build international confidence over its nuclear activities in negotiations which do not set preconditions, Rowhani said during a meeting with the Indian Ambassador to Tehran Manbir Singh.

The UN Security Council passed Resolution 1737 on December 23 imposing sanctions on Iran's trade in nuclear material and technology.

"Sanctions and pressures will have no effect on the Iranian nation's determination" to master nuclear fuel cycle. However, he said, sanctions will be "to the detriment of all countries."

Interference in regional countries' affairs

"The interference of the U.S. in regional countries' internal affairs is against their national interests, and causes instability in the Middle East," Rowhani said.

"Any kind of difference among the regional countries will be detrimental to them but beneficial to Washington," the cleric added.

Close cooperation between the regional states is the best solution to promote peace and security and can prepare the ground to block the major powers' interference in the region, he stated.

Iran's former chief nuclear negotiator went on to say that Tehran is determined to boost relations with India.

"We expect India to play a constructive role in the Islamic Republic's nuclear issue."

Rowhani expressed pleasure over the progress made in joint projects, saying, "Iran-India cooperation on regional and international issues will help boost stability and development in the region."

The Indian envoy said that there is great potential for cooperation between Tehran and Delhi, adding that Indian officials are determined to resolve the problems of Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline project as soon as possible.

Singh announced India's readiness for cooperation to solve regional issues with Iran.

He stressed that the only solution to Iran's nuclear issue is through dialogue.
http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=1/24/2007&Cat=2&Num=024
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 12:31 pm
Quote:
Iran: Israel, US will soon die
Ahmadinejad: Be assured that the US and Israel will soon end lives
Yaakov Lappin
Published: 01.23.07, 22:24


Israel and the United States will soon be destroyed, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday during a meeting with Syria's foreign minister, the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) website said in a report.

"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad… assured that the United States and the Zionist regime of Israel will soon come to the end of their lives," the Iranian president was quoted as saying.

"Sparking discord among Muslims, especially between the Shiites and Sunnis, is a plot hatched by the Zionists and the US for dominating regional nations and looting their resources," Ahmadinejad added, according to the report.

The Iranian president also directly tied events in Lebanon to a wider plan aimed at Israel's destruction. He called on "regional countries" to "support the Islamic resistance of the Lebanese people and strive to enhance solidarity and unity among the different Palestinian groups in a bid to pave the ground for the undermining of the Zionist regime whose demise is, of course, imminent."

Ahmadinejad has threatened the State of Israel with annihilation several times in recent months, and has recently added the US and Britain to the list of countries he says will be destroyed.

Syria's Foreign Minister, Wailed Mualem, accused the US of attempting to carry out a "massacre of Muslims" and of sowing "discord among Islamic faiths in the region."

Mualem called on "regional states to pave the ground for the establishment of peace and tranquillity… while preventing further genocide of the Muslims," the IRIB website said.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 12:36 pm
Quote:
Report: Iran planning nuclear test with N. Korean assistance
By Haaretz Service and Reuters


The British newspaper the Daily Telegraph reported Wednesday, North Korea is helping Iran prepare an underground nuclear test similar to the one Pyongyang carried out last year.

Under the terms of a new understanding between the two countries, the Telegraph said, North Korea has agreed to share data and information derived from its test last October with Iran's nuclear scientists.

The Daily Telegraph quoted a senior European defense official as saying North Korea had invited a team of Iranian nuclear scientists to study the results of North Korea's underground nuclear test to help Iran prepare its own test, possibly by the end of 2007.

According to the Telegraph, senior western military officials are concerned that North Korea's technical superiority will allow Iran to accelerate development of its nuclear weapon.

The European defense official told the Daily Telegraph that "the Iranians are working closely with the North Koreans to study the results of last year's North Korean nuclear bomb test."

He added that increased activity has been identified in Iranian nuclear facilities since the beginning of 2007.

"All the indications are that the Iranians are working hard to prepare for their own underground nuclear test," the official told the Telegraph.

The United Nations Security Council voted unanimously on December 23 to impose sanctions on Iran's trade in sensitive nuclear materials and technology in an attempt to stop uranium enrichment work that could produce material that could be used in bombs.

Tehran says it is determined to continue its nuclear work, which it says is meant only for producing electricity.

The West suspects Iran's atomic work is part of a veiled nuclear arms program.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 03:21 pm
You hoping for more war, tico? Not quite enough killing presently going on?

We Canadians love the Telegraph. We've loved it since Conrad Black and Ravelston took it over and set it on its noble "arabs are scum" course. He had to sell it, of course, what with the criminal procedings and the shareholder revolt following on his fraudulent theft of corporate monies and it appears the Barclay brothers (new owners) aren't going to change what brings them in the dollars. Anyone here been following the Telegraph's coverage of (take your pick): indictment of the Israeli president for rape? indictment of Ariel Sharon's son for fraud for which he's now serving time (a deal in which dad was involved)? The prior investigations of Bibi Netanyahu for similar behaviors? I'm sure the Telegraph covers this thoroughly.

But, you wanna ask this rhetorical question... just who is that "senior European defense official"? Or, WHAT IS a "senior European defense official"? Does he work for the EU? Does he live in Europe? And how come he's just one guy? Surely, given the transparency with which he can see into Iran, all sorts of others in the foreign policy and intelligence world can too. How odd he cries in the wilderness.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 05:12 pm
Blatham,
How conviently you ignore the threats made by Irans president.
Since he has made threats against the US and Israel,do we just ignore those threats or do we react to them?
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2007 06:53 am
mysteryman wrote:
Blatham,
How conviently you ignore the threats made by Irans president.
Since he has made threats against the US and Israel,do we just ignore those threats or do we react to them?


Well, I suppose it depends on whether the "we" you describe functions like a nerve at the base of the kneecap or whether it functions as an entity with the capacity for thought.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2007 07:04 am
Re tico's "european defence specialist" or whatever he called himself...

Quote:
Nuclear researcher Gary Samore, director of studies at the US council on Foreign Relations, told the Herzliya conference that Iran was still years away from being able to manufacture a bomb.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2183872.ece

It's impossible to know to what degree Olmert's foolish and counter-productive decision to go into Lebanon was fueled by a need to look as strong as his predecessor. Likewise, with himself and his government now under serious pressure (on political and legal/moral fronts) god only knows to what degree his present war threats are designed to serve political purposes (as with the president of Iran). Another entirely plausible factor is the Israeli understanding that the next US administration is certain to be far less extremist and militarist, even if it's McCain at the helm and that the window of opportunity for the US to initiate military action (and suffer the consequences Israeli would prefer not to suffer itself).
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jan, 2007 05:13 am
Independent wrote:
the Israeli armed forces would be further tested after their flawed campaign against Hezbollah in Lebanon. "The IDF are not as good as they think they are," said the British source. "It's an army of conscripts, commanded by reserve officers. Do you want to send conscripts into a war for the national interest?"

Some analysts say that in any case, miitary strikes would be counter-productive as they would only delay, and not stop, Iran's nuclear programme.


I cant praise Robert Fisk's book the Great War for Civilisation - the conquest of the middle east highly enough.

Anyone interested should read the chapter "The carpet weavers", to understand the Iranians.

They are patient, intelligent, industrious and moreover God is on their side. If they want nuclear weapons, nothing will stop them in the long run. Not war nor sanctions or even regime change. The trick is to make them feel they dont need nuclear weapons. Sadly this is quite beyond the capacity of the current American administration.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jan, 2007 06:47 am
I've posted this already earlier on another thread.

From today's The Guardian:

Quote:
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Only the US hawks can save the Iranian president now

Ahmadinejad is failing to deliver for the poor and losing support, but he could yet survive because of the international threat


Ali Ansari
Tuesday January 30, 2007
The Guardian

The honeymoon is over. Iran's controversial president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has finally come unstuck. His popularity with the Iranian electorate - the subject of much incredulous analysis in 2005 - seems to be falling back at last, and the country's latest exercise in populism seems to be reaping the rewards of unfulfilled promises bestowed with little attention to economic realities.
Those realities have sharpened with the onset of UN sanctions. Ahmadinejad's casual dismissal of the sanctions has apparently earned him an unprecedented rebuke from the supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei - reflecting growing concerns among the political elite, including many conservatives, who are increasingly anxious at Iran's worsening international situation. As if to emphasise this point, Hashemi Rafsanjani, Ahmadinejad's defeated foe in the 2005 presidential election, echoed the condemnation of the president's public complacency, stressing that the threats against Iran were very real. Indeed, as a second US carrier group heads for the Gulf, there is belated questioning of the president's competence. His critics argue that not only does he appear to have courted the anger of the US, but his economic mismanagement and political nepotism have weakened the internal integrity of the Islamic republic - and proved to be a gift to Iran's enemies.

Ahmadinejad was elected on a platform of anti-corruption and financial transparency, and few appreciated how rapidly he was intoxicated with the prerogatives of his office. He very soon forgot the real help he had received in ensuring his election, basking in the belief that God and the people had put him in power. Ahmadinejad soon had a view for all seasons: uranium enrichment. Of course Iran would pursue this, and what's more, sell it on the open market at knockdown rates. As for interest rates, they were far too high for the ordinary borrower, so cut them immediately. And then there was the Holocaust.
None of this might matter so much, if the president had based his rhetorical flourishes on solid policies. But much to everyone's surprise nothing dramatic materialised. Ahmadinejad appeared to follow the dictum of his mentor, Ayatollah Khomeini - "Economics is for donkeys". Indeed, his policies could be defined as "anything but Khatami" (his predecessor). So the oil reserve fund was spent on cash handouts to the grateful poor, and the central bank, normally a bastion of prudence, was instructed to cut interest rates for small businesses.

These had the effect, as Ahmadinejad was warned, of pushing up inflation. The rationale for high interest rates was to encourage the middle classes to keep their money in Iran. Now they decided to spend it. Richer Iranians, worried about rising international tension, decided it would be prudent to ship their money abroad. This further weakened the rial, and added to inflationary pressure. In the past few months the prices of most basic goods have risen, hurting the poor he was elected to help. Moreover, far from investing Iran's oil wealth in infrastructure to create jobs, he announced recently that Iran's economy could support a substantially larger population, as if current unemployment was not a big enough problem.

Views such as these, along with his well publicised unorthodox religious convictions, have earned him the ridicule of political foes. What is more striking perhaps is the growing concern of those who should be considered his allies, especially in the parliament. These are people who supported him and expected results. They expected their populist protege to overturn the heresy of reform.

Much to their irritation, not only has Ahmadinejad singularly failed to consolidate and extend his political base, the recent municipal elections saw his faction defeated throughout the country. Traditional conservatives and reformists reorganised and hit back, ingeniously using technology to work round the various obstacles placed in front of them. Now, over the past weeks, with biting weather, shortages of heating fuel are further raising the political temperature, while his political opponents point to the burgeoning international crisis for which the globetrotting president seems to have no constructive answer. Talk has turned to impeachment.

Ironically, it is this very international crisis that may serve to save Ahmadinejad's presidency, a reality that the president undoubtedly understood all too well. As domestic difficulties mount, the emerging international crisis could at best serve as a rallying point, or at worst persuade Iran's elite that a change of guard would convey weakness to the outside world.

There can be little doubt that US hawks will interpret recent events as proof that pressure works, and that any more pressure will encourage the hawks further. Yet the reality is that while Ahmadinejad has been his own worst enemy, the US hawks are his best friends. Ahmadinejad's demise, if it comes, will have less to do with the international environment and more with his own political incompetence. There is little doubt that it will take more than a cosmetic change to get Washington to listen to Iran. But the real question mark, as the Baker-Hamilton commission found to its cost, is whether Washington is inclined to listen at all.

· Ali Ansari is director of the Iranian Institute at the University of St Andrews.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jan, 2007 04:33 pm
Steve 41oo wrote:

I cant praise Robert Fisk's book the Great War for Civilisation - the conquest of the middle east highly enough.

Anyone interested should read the chapter "The carpet weavers", to understand the Iranians.

They are patient, intelligent, industrious and moreover God is on their side. If they want nuclear weapons, nothing will stop them in the long run. Not war nor sanctions or even regime change. The trick is to make them feel they dont need nuclear weapons. Sadly this is quite beyond the capacity of the current American administration.


Is your unstated assmption that Iran can be persuaded that such weapons are not necessary for them? They lived through the Cold War (and a Russian occupation of northern Iran) without them. Why do they "need" them now?

Do you believe it is - in principle - within the powers of any American President to persuade the current Iranian leadership that they don't need such weapons? Do you believe that the leaders of the major European states can or shouuld play a constructive role in such an effort?
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