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Iran Air Strikes Growing in Probability

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 11:57 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
sounds so to our ears mct, but its used as a verb in american english Sad


That is eminmently reasonable, as the verb veiller in French means to keep watch--it is commonly used to mean sitting up overnight with a corpse before the funeral. The verb surveiller means "to watch over." As usual, Americans understand this language better than do those who claim it as of birthright.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 01:06 pm
A Great Opinion piece from down-under.

I have rarely read such strong and unambiguous words in a major news outlet.

Quote:
Lock him away to stop the next war

With his presidency reduced to a mess, George W. Bush may just decide to lash out wildly at Iran, writes Phillip Adams
April 18, 2006
WE cannot wait any longer for the impeachment of George W. Bush. Far more efficient to have Bush certified. There is no need for further debate on his mental state. The US President is bonkers.

Having turned the White House into a madhouse, having taken more lunatic positions on more issues than any head of state since GeorgeIII (are they, perchance, related?). GWB needs a long rest and a change of medication. And it shouldn't be too hard to guide him into a padded cell. Just tell him it's the presidential bomb shelter.

Let's examine the symptoms of his mental decline. First, Bush convinced Americans that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11. This is something the poor fool might have believed, given a tenuous grasp of geography, history and political reality. He then began to hallucinate about weapons of mass destruction, despite the evidence of Hans Blix and a multitude of others that there weren't any. And he finally organised a tatty little alliance to join him in the silliest war since Vietnam, one guaranteed to recruit terrorists in unprecedented numbers.

Like Vietnam, the Iraq war was launched with presidential lies. Like Vietnam, the Iraq war descended into a moral and military quagmire. And if Iraq seems to be less of a stuff-up, consider this fact: it's taken just three years in Iraq for US deaths to equal the body count after six years in Vietnam.

Little wonder six retired senior generals have joined ranks with the American public in condemning the war, or that the guru of neo-conservatism, Francis Fukuyama, has broken ranks with the likes of Charles Krauthammer and William Kristol in denouncing it. Or that many in the Republican hierarchy have joined left-wing critics denouncing the invasion as a mistake and a failure, calling for immediate withdrawal.

When Bush was re-elected in 2004, this column suggested the President would go on to blast Iran or have the job done by Israeli surrogates. Both scenarios were dismissed as absurd and alarmist. Now journalist Seymour Hersh's revelations of a US plan to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities, perhaps with nuclear bunker-blasters, are causing national and international dismay. They've also provoked anger among the Pentagon's highest-ranking officers already enraged by Donald Rumsfeld's stewardship of the Iraq invasion and occupation. Given Rumsfeld's clear contempt for their opinions, they might well feel mutinous should he and the Commander-in-Chief show further signs of strategic insanity. But would that prevent air strikes by the Israelis? Given the sabre-rattling by that ratbag in Tehran, what could hold Israel back?

Bush is attempting to hose things down, but the world recalls his endlessly repeated mantra before the invasion of Iraq. Military intervention wasn't inevitable, just an option.

Now bleeding in the polls with mid-term elections looming, isn't it possible that Bush might go for broke? Double or nothing? A final, desperate throw of the dice?

Condoleezza Rice might join the Pentagon in trying to talk him down. So, one hopes, would Tony Blair and John Howard. But did Bush listen to reasoned argument last time? With a reckless, irrational President, you've the perfect set-up for the tail to wag the dog. As with 9/11, here's an opportunity for reality to follow a Hollywood script.

Last week I discussed this scenario with Fukuyama. His initial response was that Bush's political situation is too perilous for such a tactic, that the US public and its media wouldn't tolerate another Iraq. But bombing Iran's nuclear facilities could be characterised as surgical. It might not need troops on the ground and would certainly seem more relevant to the war on terror than the neo-con adventure in Iraq. Fukuyama conceded that such a strategy was possible.

And that possibility is more than enough. A lame-duck President with the eagle as his symbol once again takes the role of hawk. With his presidency a total mess, what's there to lose? So it's time to certify the President. Yes, you'd have to certify his equally deranged Vice-President as well. And toss in Rumsfeld to keep them company. Along with anyone else in the administration, the Congress, the Senate or the Australian parliament mad enough to think Iraq a sane decision.

The Australian
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 01:18 pm
Setanta wrote:
That is eminmently reasonable, as the verb veiller in French means to keep watch--it is commonly used to mean sitting up overnight with a corpse before the funeral. The verb surveiller means "to watch over." As usual, Americans understand this language better than do those who claim it as of birthright.


M-W cliams that it's a "back-formation from surveillance", "to subject to surveillance" :wink:
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 01:28 pm
Setanta wrote:
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
sounds so to our ears mct, but its used as a verb in american english Sad


That is eminmently reasonable, as the verb veiller in French means to keep watch--it is commonly used to mean sitting up overnight with a corpse before the funeral. The verb surveiller means "to watch over." As usual, Americans understand this language better than do those who claim it as of birthright.
Laughing McTag is Scottish, he cant speak French Mericun or English. [acutally he's better with all 3 than me but that would spoil this particular line of argument]
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 03:14 pm
Nice dodge, though, Steve . . .
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 11:08 am
Shirin Ebadi, the Iranian human rights lawyer and activist who won the 2003 Nobel Peace Prize, said Friday that Iran would defend itself against any American attack, insisting at a Paris press conference that "We will defend our country till the last drop of blood."
Ebadi, a critic of the Iranian government for years who was jailed for three weeks by the authorities in 2000, nonetheless called on the Iranian government to open up its controversial nuclear program to the international community to prove its intentions are peaceful.

From AP: Nobel Laureate Says Iran Would Defend Self
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 11:33 am
Setanta wrote:
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
sounds so to our ears mct, but its used as a verb in american english Sad


That is eminmently reasonable, as the verb veiller in French means to keep watch--it is commonly used to mean sitting up overnight with a corpse before the funeral. The verb surveiller means "to watch over." As usual, Americans understand this language better than do those who claim it as of birthright.


Murcains cain't understand ****. Smile

Present company always excepted, of course.

It is a non-word cobbled out of "surveillance", and is the usual self-important-sounding officialese crap which we can better do without.

IMHO.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 12:37 am
Foreign Office lawyers have formally advised Jack Straw that it would be illegal under international law for Britain to support any US-led military action against Iran.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 12:38 am
Foreign Office lawyers have formally advised Jack Straw that it would be illegal under international law for Britain to support any US-led military action against Iran.

http://www.sundayherald.com/55316
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 04:49 am
Gosh that means any strike by Britain against Iran would be ....... (the word that dare not speak its name). Luckily for the Prime minister his mate the Attorney General can be relied upon to make it legal if he decides to attack Iran.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 09:14 am
This morning's LA Times had this interesting commentary on the possible clash with Iran:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-brzezinski23apr23,0,3700317.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

Whether Brzeznski proves to be a modern-day Cassandra remains to be seen.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 09:14 am
This morning's LA Times had this interesting commentary on the possible clash with Iran:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-brzezinski23apr23,0,3700317.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

Whether Brzeznski proves to be a modern-day Cassandra remains to be seen.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 09:14 am
This morning's LA Times had this interesting commentary on the possible clash with Iran:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-brzezinski23apr23,0,3700317.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

Whether Brzeznski proves to be a modern-day Cassandra remains to be seen.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 09:14 am
This morning's LA Times had this interesting commentary on the possible clash with Iran:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-brzezinski23apr23,0,3700317.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

Whether Brzeznski proves to be a modern-day Cassandra remains to be seen.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 09:15 am
This morning's LA Times had this interesting commentary on the possible clash with Iran:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-brzezinski23apr23,0,3700317.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

Whether Brzeznski proves to be a modern-day Cassandra remains to be seen.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 09:22 am
I read it the first time, but not succeeding times. Very good and says what I agree with.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 09:29 am
Well Brzezinski speaks as I would want him to if Iwere as asherman suggests President Steve.

"Treating Iran with respect and within a historical perspective would help to advance that objective. American policy should not be swayed by the current contrived atmosphere of urgency ominously reminiscent of what preceded the misguided intervention in Iraq."

How ironic that Zbigniew was one of the leading neocons. A copy of his book The Grand Chessboard..American primacy and its geostrategic imperatives is on my desk right now.
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xingu
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 09:43 am
bm
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 09:44 am
If we but had a statesman in office, we could still snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Or is it snatch the feet off the jaws of victory? Defeat the jaws of defeat. Pull the jaws of defeat off the ass of victory.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 10:04 am
what kind of tobacco was that?
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