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My immigration laws

 
 
Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 06:55 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Amigo wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Chumly,
While I am not familiar with the trade policies and agreements currently in effect between the US and Canada,I make no exception.
Whatever trade laws Canada has regarding the US,we use those exact same laws towards them.
Of coarse you don't know the trade laws or you would understand what causes illegal immigration and the reason why the government makes sure they get all the "illegal" labor they can get.

But why find out the truth. It would directly contradict your made up world.


Then tell us,oh wise one...

What are the specific trade laws and what are the specific reasons for illegal immigration.

If you are such an expert,then you must know how to stop illegal immigration.

Can we assume that since it still occurs that you are also in favor of people breaking the law?
Peoples labour is a "force of production" Just like a tractor or a or a drill press. So people become a force of production. Peoples labour is a commodity traded as a force of production.

If Corporate America can get unrepresented (No workers rights, No right to vote, No social Security) labor they can get it cheaper. Illegal aliens don't complain, They can't sue you, They can't vote on working conditions.

So why hire the pesky American citizens whos fathers fought wars to secure the rights and representation for future generations.

So the government can't come out and say "American citizens are to expensive and they have to many rights and we don't want to pay social security" They just make sure that the border Is wide open for an invasion of a foreign Labour force because they can't pass a policy that would sell out America so the do it behind their backs.

I have not looked at the guest worker legislation. But I would guess it is the same policy on paper. Which is unrepresented labour in place of represented labour of the American citizen.

This mess was not created by the "Illegal alien" it was created by those Americans that sell out their own country for a buck and it goes all the way to the presidency.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 06:56 pm
You can't make laws retroactive. Read Section 9 of Article One of the Constitution, which reads, in part:

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 07:01 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Amigo wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Chumly,
While I am not familiar with the trade policies and agreements currently in effect between the US and Canada,I make no exception.
Whatever trade laws Canada has regarding the US,we use those exact same laws towards them.
Of coarse you don't know the trade laws or you would understand what causes illegal immigration and the reason why the government makes sure they get all the "illegal" labor they can get.

But why find out the truth. It would directly contradict your made up world.


Then tell us,oh wise one...

What are the specific trade laws and what are the specific reasons for illegal immigration.

If you are such an expert,then you must know how to stop illegal immigration.

Can we assume that since it still occurs that you are also in favor of people breaking the law?


(I didn't write this-amigo)

And do you want to know why we have so many illegal immigrants - mostly from Mexico? Blame NAFTA. In February, Harold Myerson of the Washington Post wrote a fascinating essay, NAFTA and Nativism, describing how NAFTA allowed cheap, subsidized U.S. agribusiness to sell to Mexico, undercutting whatever stability there was in that country with their farmers. So what did many of those displaced agricultural workers do? Head north. And business interests throughout the U.S. cheered. Myerson:
The North American Free Trade Agreement was sold, of course, as a boon to the citizens of the United States, Canada and Mexico -- guaranteed both to raise incomes and lower prices, however improbably, throughout the continent. Bipartisan elites promised that it would stanch the flow of illegal immigrants, too. "There will be less illegal immigration because more Mexicans will be able to support their children by staying home," said President Bill Clinton as he was building support for the measure in the spring of 1993.

But NAFTA, which took effect in 1994, could not have been more precisely crafted to increase immigration -- chiefly because of its devastating effect on Mexican agriculture. As liberal economist Jeff Faux points out in "The Global Class War," his just-published indictment of the actual workings of the new economy, Mexico had been home to a poor agrarian sector for generations, which the government helped sustain through price supports on corn and beans. NAFTA, though, put those farmers in direct competition with incomparably more efficient U.S. agribusinesses. It proved to be no contest: From 1993 through 2002, at least 2 million Mexican farmers were driven off their land.

The experience of Mexican industrial workers under NAFTA hasn't been a whole lot better. With the passage of NAFTA, the maquiladoras on the border boomed. But the raison d'etre for these factories was to produce exports at the lowest wages possible, and with the Mexican government determined to keep its workers from unionizing, the NAFTA boom for Mexican workers never materialized. In the pre-NAFTA days of 1975, Faux documents, Mexican wages came to 23 percent of U.S. wages; in 1993-94, just before NAFTA, they amounted to 15 percent; and by 2002 they had sunk to a mere 12 percent.

The official Mexican poverty rate rose from 45.6 percent in 1994 to 50.3 percent in 2000. And that was before competition from China began to shutter the maquiladoras and reduce Mexican wages even more.

So if Sensenbrenner wants to identify a responsible party for the immigration he so deplores, he might take a peek in the mirror. In the winter of '93, he voted for NAFTA. He helped establish a system that increased investment opportunities for major corporations and diminished the rights, power and, in many instances, living standards of workers on both sides of the border.

So long as the global economy is designed, as NAFTA was, to keep workers powerless, Mexican desperation and American anger will only grow.
Free trade with countries of significantly different standards of living, when implemented quickly, simply gives the advantage to business. (A slower phase-in does not. Gradual adjustments are made while the 'lesser' country catches up.) Don't forget, Bush is a big fan of NAFTA, CAFTA, and anything else like it. Whose interest do you think he is representing?

http://uggabugga.blogspot.com/2006/03/immigration-debate-and-what-krugman.html
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 07:07 pm
Bush Says CAFTA Will Save Jobs
President Visits N.C., Where Textile Employment Has Shrunk

By Michael A. Fletcher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 16, 2005; Page A04

Framed by plant workers seated behind him on a stage at Gaston College here, Bush said CAFTA would boost textile and other U.S. manufacturers by eliminating tariffs on many American goods imported by Central American nations. Also, he said, the measure would help stabilize the democratic governments in the region by increasing U.S. trade, which he said would make Central American workers more prosperous. "It's a pro-jobs bill," Bush said. "It's a pro-growth bill. It is a pro-democracy bill."


"Critics compare CAFTA to the North American Free Trade Agreement, a deal passed in 1994, which eliminated many trade barriers between the United States, Mexico and Canada. Since the passage of that measure, the United States has lost half of its textile mill jobs, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/15/AR2005071501854.html
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 07:09 pm
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About CAFTA



CAFTA is a "free" trade agreement that includes the United States, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras and Costa Rica. The Dominican Republic may also be added to the group. Negotiations for CAFTA were complete in December and January.

CAFTA must now be approved by the National Assemblies in each of the participating countries. The U.S. Congress will probably debate CAFTA in late spring or early summer of 2004, with a vote possible in June or July.

CAFTA is modeled after the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). NAFTA has been a disaster for small farmers and working people in Canada, the United States, and Mexico. Hundreds of thousands of jobs lost, family farms foreclosed, and public interest laws overturned or challenged in secret NAFTA courts. Despite this dismal record, the Bush administration is seeking to expand NAFTA to Central America and the rest of the Western Hemisphere.

From the beginning of CAFTA negotiations, the Bush administration has been clear that completion of CAFTA is crucial to move the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) negotiations forward faster, by adding extra pressure to countries like Brazil, Venezuela and Argentina to either accede to U.S. demands, or be left out.

http://www.stopcafta.org/article.php?list=type&type=2
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 07:24 pm
http://www.buydirectusa.com/links/article.php?n=20

Perhaps this would explain why the U.S. has been so lax on its border control and allowing an estimated three to five million illegal aliens to cross over our borders each year. This, despite the fact the Department of Homeland Security has repeatedly posted warnings about Al Qaeda and other terrorists who may use the Mexican Border to infiltrate the U.S. and attack America again. Maybe this is why there are allegations, according to a recent article in the Washington Times that the U.S. Border Patrol ordered border patrol agents to stand down ad look the other way and not arrest illegal aliens. It may also explain why our President, has called those involved in the Minuteman Project "vigilantes", when those brave men and women are doing what are government has not been able to do or refuses to do which is to secure our borders. It may explain why we are providing so many benefits to illegal immigrants such as free education, reduced tuition at colleges, and free health care, something that most Americans do not receive but pay for through taxes. It has been 4 years since the horrific attack on our nation and our borders are still wide open. Is this because of backroom deals to end the sovereignty of the United States?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 09:56 pm
Quote:
In the pre-NAFTA days of 1975, Faux documents, Mexican wages came to 23 percent of U.S. wages; in 1993-94, just before NAFTA, they amounted to 15 percent; and by 2002 they had sunk to a mere 12 percent.



How much of this is due to NAFTA,and how much of this is due to the devaluation of the Mexican peso?
The two are related,but the peso devaluation was going on long before NAFTA ever came into being.

The peso's value has sunk like a stone since at least 1979 that I know of.
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