Re: Where angels dare tread...
hephzibah wrote:neologist wrote:hephzibah wrote: . . . If there is no heaven... no hell... then it would stand to reason there are no angels... no demons...
How do you reason that?
Well neo... why would there need to be angels if there were no heaven, or demons if there were not hell? it makes no sense.
I'll give you the short answer so everyone can beat up on me. That's always fun.
Adam and Eve were given the opportunity to live forever on earth. The consequence of their disobedience would be death - nothing more, nothing less. If there were to be a hell, it would only be fair to let them know then, don't you think?
As for the immortality of the soul, it is a myth.
Here are just two places where we are reminded of our mortality:
"Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,
Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.
4 His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish." (Psalm 146: 6,7)
"For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun." (Ecclesiastes 9: 5, 6)
The fact that some humans may have been chosen for heaven does not change the fact that God's intention is for humans to populate the earth.
As for angels/demons. The angels, including the foremost angel, Jesus were all created before the earth. Satan made himself Satan when he caused the rebellion of Adam and Eve. The first mention of demons comes in the sixth chapter of Genesis where sons of the true God materialized to take human wives.
So, to answer your question:
1] There is a heaven for sentient spirit creations. I personally do not expect to go there.
2] There is no such thing as an immortal soul or everlasting torment.
3] Angels and demons do exist.
4] Satan and his angels will not be allowed to survive indefinitely
As if you didn't know that! Hehehe.... Neo found this for me actually. The strangest thing of all... it is seriously exactly what I had been looking for since I got here. I guess I wasn't looking in the right places, but I do love it. It's an expression of myself somehow... can't explain it really.
LOL I'm curious about your point of view though. I guess in my mind I still have this idea of "satanism" being a worship of satan. However, I did read some of your thread about what you believe and why and was surprised at some of the things you said.
Me too