What should be done about illegal immigration?

I'd tried my best.

You will excuse me if I say that's a crock.

Foxfyre wrote: "There is no account anywhere that I know of that the Minutemen have used their guns inappropriately either as a threat or as a weapon. With them out on a lonely desert terrain with nothing but rattlesnakes and possible bandits or coyotes (the two-legged variety) within miles..."

Two-legged coyotes? Um, what are they and is it okay to shoot them like one might shoot a rattlesnake?

Since it's midnight here: twice-granted.

The thugs and creeps who extort huge sums from poor Mexicans to smuggle them across the border into the U.S. are called Coyotes in this part of the world. They are evil people and I am pretty sure there are more than a few who would do bodily harm to others if they thought they could get away with it. Some of these are Mexican. Some are not. But they are all despicable.

Did you miss the part of my post where I suggested a show of force would more likely prevent violence than create it?

I think we should hire millions of illegal aliens to build a 30 ft high wall from Texas to California.
We can tell them it's for decorative purposes only. :wink:

The best solution suggested thus far is to hire the illegals to patrol our borders. It has great merit; it puts them to work, they speak the language, and understand both sides ot the issue. After seven years or more, they can become naturalized citizens if they are successful in controlling illegal immigrants from coming into the US.

Isnt that like putting a drunk in charge of the bar?

mm, Who's talking about 'drunks?'
I'm just agreeing with whoever suggested this as a solution has merit.

FYI, we have drunks in almost every career field in the US.

Senate Bill 2611

S.2611

Your link gave here as a result



This link worked better for me.

Ann Coulter fans, enjoy. All others scroll right on past.
The thing is, those who want a solution to the problem
of illegals flooding the country will mostly agree with her
at least so far as they mostly disagree with the President's
current approach to the problem.

Read My Lips: No New Amnesty

by Ann Coulter
Posted May 17, 2006

On the bright side, if President Bush's amnesty proposal for illegal immigrants ends up hurting Republicans and we lose Congress this November, maybe the Democrats will impeach him and we'll get Dick Cheney as President.

At least Bush has dropped his infernal references to slacker Americans when talking about illegal immigrants. In his speech Monday night, instead of 47 mentions of "jobs Americans won't do," Bush referred only once to "jobs Americans are not doing" -- which I take it means other than border enforcement and intelligence-gathering at the CIA. For the record, I'll volunteer right now to clean other people's apartments if I don't have to pay taxes on what I earn.

Also, someone must have finally told Bush that the point about America being a "nation of immigrants" is moronic. All nations are "nations of immigrants" -- as Peter Brimelow pointed out brilliantly in his 1992 article in National Review on immigration, which left nothing for anyone else to say.

Of the "nation of immigrants" locution, Brimelow says:

"No discussion of U.S. immigration policy gets far without someone making this helpful remark. As an immigrant myself, I always pause respectfully. You never know. Maybe this is what they're taught to chant in schools nowadays, a sort of multicultural Pledge of Allegiance. ... Do they really think other nations sprouted up out of the ground?"

Brimelow then ran through the Roman, Saxon, Viking, Norman-French, Welsh and Celtic immigrant influences in Britain alone.

Instead of a moratorium on new immigration, I'd settle for a moratorium on the use of the expression "We're a nation of immigrants." Throw in a ban on "Diversity is our strength" and you've got my vote for life.

Bush has also apparently learned that the word "amnesty" does not poll well. On Monday night, he angrily denounced the idea of amnesty just before proposing his own amnesty program. The difference between Bush's amnesty program and "amnesty" is: He'd give amnesty only to people who have been breaking our laws for many years -- not just a few months. (It's the same program that allows Teddy Kennedy to stay in the Senate.)

Bush calls this the "rational middle ground" because it recognizes the difference between "an illegal immigrant who crossed the border recently and someone who has worked here for many years." Yes, the difference is: One of them has been breaking the law longer. If our criminal justice system used that logic, a single murder would get you the death penalty, while serial killers would get probation.

Bush claimed the only other alternative -- I assume this is the "irrational extreme" -- is "a program of mass deportation." Really? Is the only alternative to legalizing tax cheats "a program of mass arrest of tax cheats"?

This is the logic of the pro-abortion zealots (aka "the Democratic Party"): Either lift every single restriction on abortion or ... every woman in America will be impregnated by her father and die in a back-alley abortion!

Those are your only two answers? Do you need another minute?

How about the proposal made on Brimelow's Web site, Vdare.com, that illegal immigrants be told they have two months to leave the country voluntarily and not have their breaking of our immigration laws held against them when they apply for citizenship from their home countries -- or not leave and be banned from U.S. citizenship forever?

Or how about just not giving illegal aliens green cards -- as Bush is proposing -- and deport them when we catch them?

Instead of choosing immigrants based on the longevity of their lawbreaking, another idea is to choose the immigrants we want, for example, those who speak English or have special skills. (And by "special skills" I don't mean giving birth to an anchor baby in a border-town emergency room.)

Why not use immigration the way sports teams use the draft -- to upgrade our roster? We could take our pick of the world's engineers, doctors, scientists, uh ... smoking-hot Latin guys who stand around not wearing shirts between workouts. Or, you know, whatever ...

As Peter Brimelow says in his book "Alien Nation: Common Sense About America's Immigration Disaster," why not choose immigrants who are better than us?

Bush thinks it's not fair to favor people with special skills -- a policy evidenced by his Harriet Miers pick.

How about this: It's not fair to want to go out with someone just because that person is attractive and has a good personality because it discriminates against people who are ugly with bad social skills! That's our immigration policy.

Press "1" for English; press "2" for a new President ...
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Here is the Heritage Foundation's analysis of the Senate Bill. (I couldn't get either Brandon or Walter's links to work to get to the bill itself.)

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm

That was a great line.

I liked the one that if we used the same logic in the criminal justice system that is proposed for immigration, one murder gets you the death penalty while serial killers get probation.

You totally missed the analogy!!
My point was that letting illegal immigrants patrol the border to stop illegal immigrants makes no sense.
Since they have already shown a willingness and ability to break the law,do you really think they will stop others from doing the same thing?

What about if its one of their family members?
Are they gonna stop them?

mm wrote:
You totally missed the analogy!!
My point was that letting illegal immigrants patrol the border to stop illegal immigrants makes no sense.
Since they have already shown a willingness and ability to break the law,do you really think they will stop others from doing the same thing?


Sorry, buddy, I didn't miss any analogy - as you call it. The US congress is already considering the legalization of many of the 11 million illegals in this country. Drunks are already legal citizens. So what's your point?

Would you let a convicted serial rapist babysit your 9 year old daughter?

mm wrote:
Would you let a convicted serial rapist babysit your 9 year old daughter?


This guy gets more stupid and irrational with every post. We're talking about illegal immigrants, and he wants to talk about serial rapists. This guy is sick! He probably haven't heard about the many American-made baby rapists - yet.