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What should be done about illegal immigration?

 
 
cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 07:08 am
old europe wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
I said they were clueless as to how to answer the question, and that's not surprising.


Because they don't own guns?

(I still don't get the link...)


Thought I explained it. A Chicagoan's version of "fortified" my be different than a north Korean's.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 07:12 am
cjhsa wrote:
old europe wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
I said they were clueless as to how to answer the question, and that's not surprising.


Because they don't own guns?

(I still don't get the link...)


Thought I explained it. A Chicagoan's version of "fortified" my be different than a north Korean's.


Yeah. Maybe. Maybe not. However, it's a bit like saying that Americans are unlikely to know where to find China on a map, because, after all, they are not living in a communist country.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 07:14 am
http://i3.tinypic.com/x3bij5.jpg

I'm struggling to see where that initial post talked about finding stuff on a map?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 07:21 am
cjhsa wrote:
I'm struggling to see where that initial post talked about finding stuff on a map?


Well, certainly your knowledge of English is suprerior to mine, but I think it to be quite appropriate within a report "Young Americans Geographically Illiterate" - if they'd just focused on maps, that would be questionable.

But I'm neither a native English speaker nor do I have superior knowledge in polls (just what you study for minors psychology and social sciences).
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 07:24 am
cjhsa wrote:
I'm struggling to see where that initial post talked about finding stuff on a map?


That bit here

old europe wrote:
it's a bit like saying


should have told even you that this was an analogy. Nevermind. If your point is that people can only discuss topics where they have first-hand/anecdotal knowledge, then what are you doing in a politics forum?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 07:25 am
I just like to apply logic.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 07:32 am
cjhsa wrote:
I just like to apply logic.


That statement is in stark contrast with the point you were making. Namely that people couldn't possibly have the knowledge whether the US-Mexican or the North-/South-Korean border is more heavily fortified if they don't own a gun.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 07:33 am
cjhsa wrote:
I just like to apply logic.


If you need a recommendation for a good book about it and where you can study that (online), I would start a new thread and ask there for such.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 07:40 am
old europe wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
I just like to apply logic.


That statement is in stark contrast with the point you were making. Namely that people couldn't possibly have the knowledge whether the US-Mexican or the North-/South-Korean border is more heavily fortified if they don't own a gun.


That isn't exactly what I said. What I said was that people may have a different perception of what "fortified" means, if they aren't used to seeing weapons on a regular basis.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 07:45 am
Huh?

Most young americans think of breakfast cereal when they hear the term "fortified".

(Walter deleted another of his posts)
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 07:54 am
cjhsa wrote:
Huh?

Most young americans think of breakfast cereal when they hear the term "fortified".


Could you stop bashing America already?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 07:56 am
Why do conservatives hate America?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 09:00 am
I'm not bashing anyone but the pollsters.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 09:15 am
cjhsa wrote:
I'm not bashing anyone but the pollsters.


So you think the poll about most americans being ignorant in Geography is a false or misleading poll? Do you have any proof of that other than just thinking it must be so?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 09:51 am
Well, the initial post by Walter on the subject had little or nothing to do with geography.

I think what we need here is a reading comprehension thread.

Do I think many young americans are for crap at geography? Yes. High schoolers are all being taught to pass standardized tests, not to become experts at anything, with focus on math, science, and English. History and Geography and social studies have taken a seat way in the back of the bus.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 10:11 am
cjhsa wrote:
Well, the initial post by Walter on the subject had little or nothing to do with geography.

I think what we need here is a reading comprehension thread.

Do I think many young americans are for crap at geography? Yes. High schoolers are all being taught to pass standardized tests, not to become experts at anything, with focus on math, science, and English. History and Geography and social studies have taken a seat way in the back of the bus.


This I assume is the post by walter which I assume you are referring to:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2016121#2016121

As you can see geopgraphy is the main subject in the article. Maybe your right and we do need a reading comprehension thread.

I agree with you that all kids seem to be taught today is taking test, but whose fault is that? They have to pass the test or the school risk being labeled a failing school and may lose funding.

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=26757&pid=1431
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 10:14 am
No, that was his second post.

His first was an image talking about fortified borders.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 10:29 am
An interesting article here about Illegal Immigration and the cost on healthcare and pubic health safety.

One of the main ideas that I had not considered, are the communicable diseases that are coming across the border unchecked. Here are a few snips:

Quote:
By default, we grant health passes to illegal aliens. Yet many
illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought
and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis,
malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease.


Quote:
When my grandfather came to America, he first kissed the
ground of New York's Ellis Island, then he stripped naked and
coughed hard. Every legal immigrant before 1924 was examined
for infectious diseases upon arrival and tested for tuberculosis.
Anyone infected was shipped back to the old country. That was
powerful incentive for each newcomer to make heroic efforts to
appear healthy.Today, legal immigrants must demonstrate that they
are free of communicable diseases and drug addiction to qualify for
lawful permanent residency green cards. Illegal aliens simply cross
our borders medically unexamined, hiding in their bodies any
number of communicable diseases.

Many illegals who cross our borders have tuberculosis. That disease
had largely disappeared from America, thanks to excellent hygiene
and powerful modern drugs such as isoniazid and rifampin.
TB's swift, deadly return now is lethal for about 60 percent of those
infected because of new Multi-Drug Resistant Tuberculosis (MDRTB).
Until recently MDR-TB was endemic to Mexico. This
Mycobacterium tuberculosis is resistant to at least two major
antitubercular drugs. OrdinaryTB usually is cured in six months with
four drugs that cost about $2,000. MDR-TB takes 24 months with
many expensive drugs that cost around $250,000,with toxic side
effects. Each illegal with MDR-TB coughs and infects 10 to 30
people, who will not show symptoms immediately. Latent disease
explodes later.

TB was virtually absent inVirginia until in 2002, when it spiked
a 17 percent increase, but Prince William County, just south of
Washington, D.C., had a much larger rise of 188 percent. Public
health officials blamed immigrants. In 2001 the Indiana School of
Medicine studied an outbreak of MDR-TB, and traced it to
Mexican illegal aliens. The Queens, New York, health department
attributed 81 percent of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants. The
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ascribed 42 percent of
all new TB cases to foreign born people who have up to eight
times higher incidence. Apparently, 66 percent of all TB cases
coming to America originate in Mexico, the Philippines, and
Vietnam. Virulent TB outbreaks afflicted schoolteachers and
children in Michigan, adults and children in Texas, and
policemen in Minnesota. Recently TB erupted in Portland, Maine,
and Del Rey Beach, Florida.

Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or
kissing bug disease is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which
prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it
carries, Trypanosoma cruzi, infects 18 million people annually in
Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. This disease also
infiltrates America's blood supply. Chagas affects blood
transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of
blood recipients may be silently infected. After 10 to 20 years, up
to 30 percent will die when their hearts or intestines, enlarged and
weakened by Chagas, burst. Three people in 2001 received
Chagas-infected organ transplants.Two died.

Leprosy, a scourge in Biblical days and in medieval Europe, so
horribly destroys flesh and faces it was called the disease of the
soul. Lepers quarantined in leprosaria sounded noisemakers when
they ventured out to warn people to stay far away. Leprosy, Hansen's
disease, was so rare inAmerica that in 40 years only 900 people were
afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than
7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern
states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy
from India, Brazil, the Caribbean, and Mexico.
Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though
common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh,
Malaysia, and Mexico. Recently there was a virulent outbreak
of dengue fever inWebb County, Texas, which borders Mexico.
Though dengue is usually not a fatal disease, dengue hemorrhagic
fever routinely kills.

Polio was eradicated fromAmerica, but now reappears in illegal
immigrants, as do intestinal parasites. Malaria was obliterated,
but now is re-emerging inTexas. About 4,000 children under age
five annually in America develop fever, red eyes, strawberry
tongue, and acute inflammation of their coronary arteries and
other blood vessels because of the infectious malady called
Kawasaki disease. Many suffer heart attacks and sudden death.
Hepatitis A, B, and C, are resurging. Asians number 4
percent of Americans, but account for more than half of Hepatitis B
cases. Why inoculate all American newborns for Hepatitis B when
most infected persons are Asians?


Lots more information in the article as well as some reference material. This is an idea that I had not considered before, but could have a huge impact on all Americans.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 10:38 am
Two comments to this....

1) It is your side that wants to make TB treatment inaccessible for "illegal" immigrants. If this is any more than anti-immigrant fear-mongering, making sure the people living here have a path to legalization (and the good health care that goes with it) would go a long way to solving the problem.

2) Comparing "illegals" to the Biblical lepers is too rich. Ask Foxfyre-- 'What would Jesus do?'
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 10:53 am
ebrown_p wrote:
Two comments to this....

1) It is your side that wants to make TB treatment inaccessible for "illegal" immigrants. If this is any more than anti-immigrant fear-mongering, making sure the people living here have a path to legalization (and the good health care that goes with it) would go a long way to solving the problem.


Man you are really reaching. This constant labeling of racist and anti-immigration is getting as tiresome as it is misguided.

ebrown_p wrote:
2) Comparing "illegals" to the Biblical lepers is too rich. Ask Foxfyre-- 'What would Jesus do?'


You're stretching... again... nobody compared illegals to biblical lepers but merely used that as a timeframe for when the disease was most common. Way to avoid the issue though.
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