What should be done about illegal immigration?

@OCCOM BILL,

OCCOM BILL wrote:

Almost forgot:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

okie wrote:
I guess his only consideration is population density for the entire country, regardless of terrain, size, or other things? Man, I thought some people here in this country were dense!!

How is population density regarding "terrain, size, or other things" calculated and called?

(Someone has to quote me so that okie can answer. Thanks.)

To start with, I said "regardless of terrain, size, or other things" instead of "regarding terrain, size, or other things." Walter may want to re translate what I said in order for his question to make any sense.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

By the way, Okie: I'll prolly spend $20 on dinner tonight... but that doesn't mean I'd be just as happy to spend $1,000... even if it is possible. Discussing such a possibility is a far cry from advocating same!

So if the restaurant cheats and says you owe $1,000, then won't you pay it? After all, you would be just as happy to pay the grand. And the restaurant probably needs it or they wouldn't want it. What difference does it make? Isn't that the argument you are making with illegals? After all a few tens of millions, even a billion, why not, we can handle it, just build more cities or give them all a tract of land. They need to come here, the law should make no difference.

Do you realize how silly your posts are, Bill?

I'm not sure this Ironic idiocy requires a response. Tell you what; I'll highlight one of the phrases you're either feigning to be too stupid to understand... or are too stupid too understand. Look above and see if you can find the error now...

(Advocate wasn’t your best choice for role-model Wink

)

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@OCCOM BILL,

Advocate is no role model of mine. Correct Bill, I stand corrected, you did say you would not be just as happy to pay the grand. Okay, but would you be just as happy to pay $25 instead of $20. After all, you seem to be just as happy to turn a blind eye to 20 million or so illegals, you apparently think we should simply let it happen, they have every right to do it. If that is the case, how come the restaurant doesn't have every right to break the law and overcharge you?

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Advocate is no role model of mine. Correct Bill, I stand corrected, you did say you would not be just as happy to pay the grand. Okay, but would you be just as happy to pay $25 instead of $20. After all, you seem to be just as happy to turn a blind eye to 20 million or so illegals, you apparently think we should simply let it happen, they have every right to do it. If that is the case, how come the restaurant doesn't have every right to break the law and overcharge you?

A more accurate comparison would be $21.33 and I don't think I'd mind if I knew that restaurant was using that pittance to feed 6.67% of the population who were hungry and formerly barred from dining there for no good reason. But even that isn't a fair comparison because that would mean the net effect of illegal immigration was a free ride for every one of them... which is obviously not the case. (Were that the case; I'd be able to see the great wall from here.) The truth is; the vast majority of them would rather work for their own meal than have me kick in the $1.33. You’ll notice when you use honest numbers for comparison, the sky really isn’t falling.

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@OCCOM BILL,

So you would turn a blind eye at paying a fraudulantly charged $21.33? As long as th money is being used well. Most criminals always have an excuse, Also Bill. I wonder if you have raised kids, or teenagers? Teenagers or kids are not criminals, but they exhibit very well some of the finer points of human nature in all of us, in terms of incrementally changing the rules if they are inclined to do so. If you have raised kids, I somehow wonder if you are using anything that you would have learned from it.

By the way, you surely must realize a restaurant that gets by with $21.33, with your stamp of approval, will soon be charging $24.33, then $35.33, then $121.33, and so on. Bill, I am surprised you haven't figured out by now that your justifications for breaking immigration laws really have no logical alibis. You even tried the ploy that the country could support a billion more people with no problem, and that one really took the cake, that one was about as silly as it comes. Bill, give it up, you are just wrong, okay.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

You even tried the ploy that the country could support a billion more people with no problem,

If you're still too dishonest or stupid to recognize the difference between demonstrating a statistical reality and advocating for an extreme; you are still worshipping Advocate's idiotic Straw man. Such behavior mostly serves to demonstrate your inability or unwillingness to reason.

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O'Moron is being hoisted on his own petard, and is getting a bit shrill.

Here is an interesting poll.

CALIFORNIA POLL RESULTS

The latest telephone poll taken by the California Governor's
office asked whether people who live in California think illegal immigration
is a serious problem:
29% responded, "Yes, it is a serious problem."
71% responded, "No es una problema seriosa

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@OCCOM BILL,

OCCOM BILL wrote:

okie wrote:
You even tried the ploy that the country could support a billion more people with no problem,
If you're still too dishonest or stupid to recognize the difference between demonstrating a statistical reality and advocating for an extreme;

I am at least not stupid enough to buy into your silly reasoning. You can do lots of things statistically, but they have no relationship whatsoever to how smart or practical they may be, Bill. To suggest that they would be based upon statistics is preposterous on its face.

Quote:

you are still worshipping Advocate's idiotic Straw man. Such behavior mostly serves to demonstrate your inability or unwillingness to reason.

I worship nobody's strawman, and by the way, quit using the stupid term "strawman," I am frankly sick of elitist posters here using the term as if it proves something to be awry. If you had a brain enough to read my posts here, you would realize I agree with Advocate on almost nothing, so the fact that I could actually agree with him somewhat on an issue might indicate that the issue is so patently obvious as to mean that it must be pretty cut and dried in terms of what is very very likely to be correct.

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@Chai,

blast the employers that hire illegal aliens and blast our leaders that support them and allow them to vote. Vote them all out. in md our dear governor omalley and his corrupt stooges mike miller and mike busch gave illegal aliens $2billion last year and this is the norm. They are working state jobs and getting welfare with no id's. I post the employers who hire them all over our papers and report them to IRS fraud division at Fresno Calif. 93888 an annonymous note about company and they paying in cash. Landscaping and construction employers are good for cash jobs. post the employers on chat rooms and tell people not to support them. Here are some in md that hire illegal aliens. Brickmans, Double T diners, by the Docks and timbuktu restaurants. Many mcdonalds like the one on rt 50 on the left past bay bridge heading east.

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@amdactivist,

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/scanner/2009/03/01-07/moran.jpg

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@ebrown p,

ebrown p wrote:

This picture is by far the best argument for limiting and reversing illegal immigration - btw, is "morans" Spanish?! Smile

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It is of little wonder that AZ is cracking down on illegals.

Illegal Immigration Destroying America

Letter to the editor.

I used to live in Arizona, 30 miles from the Mexican border. One of the reasons I moved is because of the illegal immigration issue.

Kramer's take on the anchor babies is entirely correct. The cost to US citizens is growing each year we allow this to happen. .

That, however, is the tip of the iceberg. Arrests, court costs, incarceration, and giving these illegals benefits intended for less fortunate citizens of our country are in the billions.

The week before we left, there was three beheadings in our beautiful Madera Canyon here our family used to hike and picnic. I read last week, the chief of police and his deputy were shot down in Nogales, Sonora, just across the border from Nogales Az. Before we left, I had an illegal try to steal my purse in broad daylight.

And then, there is the load on schools, charities, workers compensation, social security, and our economy. Illegals were given home loans prior to the bank bailout without proper qualifying or checking of employment or legal status. Amnesty to anyone who enters the U.S. illegally should be denied. If their government is corrupt, and their economy is poor, it is the problem of the people in Mexico, not ours. The US cannot afford to save the world. We fight and struggle to keep this country free. I think their interpretation of free needs to be clarified.

Tricia Rodemeyer

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http://media.npr.org/images/ap//AP_News_Wire:_US_News/3_White_Supremacists_Los_Angeles.sff_300.jpg?t=1271553251

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126076745

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A white supremacist group rallied against illegal immigration in downtown Los Angeles Saturday as hundreds of counter-protesters gathered to shout them down in a tense standoff that included several arrests, thrown rocks and police in riot gear.

Police officers stood between the white supremacists and counter-demonstrators on the south lawn of Los Angeles' City Hall, where about 50 members of the National Socialist Movement waved American flags and swastika banners for about an hour.

The white supremacists, many of them wearing flack helmets and black military fatigue uniforms, shouted "Sieg Heil" before each of their speakers took the podium to taunt counter-protesters with racial, anti-Semitic and misogynistic epithets.

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Senators want troops along U.S. " Mexico border
Sens. Jon Kyl and John McCain, both Republicans from Arizona, called Monday for the immediate deployment of 3,000 National Guard troops to the state's border with Mexico and other steps to increase security.

Illegal aliens crossing the border into Arizona from Mexico were causing a spike in crime and other problems that needed immediate attention, said Kyl and McCain at a news conference with two Arizona sheriffs.

"The situation has spiraled out of control," McCain said, noting that 17 percent of those caught trying to illegally enter Arizona from Mexico had U.S. criminal records.

McCain and Kyl repeated a past call for 3,000 National Guard troops to be sent to the border right away, along with federal funding for another 3,000 U.S. Customs and Border agents to be deployed along the Arizona-Mexico border by 2015.

In addition, their 10-point plan calls for a double-row border fence, increased mobile surveillance of the border region, more federal funding and hardship duty pay for border patrol agents in the most dangerous areas.

"You can't live in Arizona and not have this problem every day," Kyl said. "People are fed up."

-- blog.cnn.com

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@Advocate,

It is funny that these Senators are all Republicans... and one of them is selling his soul in order to fight off a primary challenge from the right wing.

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@ebrown p,

Sen. Schumer has called for strong action to stem the flow of illegals into the USA. BTW, I just saw the following. (I am sure that O'Moron thinks these immigration effects are cool.)

DEAR LOVERS OF AMERICA'S GREENSPACES,

When do we stop allowing immigration to destroy a million acres a year?

Individually, immigrants are no more responsible for our nation's environmental problems than the rest of us.

But our immigration policies (bringing in 4 times the traditional annual average) are resulting in the clearing, scraping and developing of nearly a million additional acres of natural habitat and farmland every year.

Is this not a crisis demanding urgent attention on this week of the 40th Anniversary of Earth Day?

-- numbersUSA.com

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@ebrown p,

ebrown p wrote:

... and one of them is selling his soul in order to fight off a primary challenge from the right wing.

Yep.

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Just don't call him 'Maverick'!!! Smile

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@ebrown p,

ebrown p wrote:

It is funny that these Senators are all Republicans... and one of them is selling his soul in order to fight off a primary challenge from the right wing.

Enforcing the law is now labeled "selling your soul."
I have read many bizarre things on this forum, but the libs just keep adding bizarro to bizarro.

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Here is a fed-up Arizonan weighing in.

Here's what happened to our state
Apr. 23, 2010 12:00 AM

What has happened to our state?

Sam Fernandez posed this question in a letter Thursday citing an anti-immigration attitude.

Well, Sam, we're tired. We're tired of illegal aliens demonstrating in our streets for their rights.

We're tired of having to push 1 for English. We're tired of gangbangers with roots in El Salvador terrorizing our streets.

We're tired of people who want to maintain their heritage and refuse to assimilate while suckling at the breast of this country. We're tired of our national parks littered with the debris of illegal travelers.

We're tired of a criminal army willing to kill to protect their trade routes.

We're tired of day laborers usurping parking lots and challenging you to make them move out of the way. We're tired of an invasion of our nation by people who have no regard for our laws.

We're tired, Sam - and now we're mad.

- Ron Pinkowski, Gold Canyon

azcentral.com

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