What should be done about illegal immigration?

No, I was responding to Advocate's attack on Hispanic immigrants that they were not "assimilating".

I was using voting as an example of how today's Hispanic immigrants are assimilating just fine.

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Yup. Me too!

Another Risk to America
The CDC has determined the swine flu now engulfing Mexico been deadly there, but not so in the United States. Nearly all those who died in Mexico were between 20 and 40 years old.
The 11 U.S. victims cover a wider age range, as young as 9 to over 50. All those people either recovered or are recovering; at least two were hospitalized.

Dr. Anne Schuchat of the U.S. C.D.C. said on Saturday "So far we have been quite fortunate." Deaths from most ordinary flu outbreaks occur among the very young and very old.

Why Mexico and the U.S. are experiencing the illness differently is puzzling say public health experts. In Mexico, the death ratio is about 70 deaths out of roughly 1,000 cases. Experts believe Mexico is the EPICENTER of the outbreak, they're not certain if new cases are occurring or if the situation is simply getting worse. The CDC says genetic analysis tests results show the virus samples in the two countries are essentially the same. Some feel that Mexican patients have had trouble getting medical care or antiviral drugs, even though the government provides health care.
How long will it be before the illegal aliens will drag their DEADLY swine flu problem here? They drain the tax coffers, drag disease and filth with here them. They bring their gangs, crime and keep popping out those kids. Oh yeah Napolitano, there is no problem with illegal immigration.

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Using tragic deaths in Mexico (that have nothing to do with immigrants) to bludgeon "illegal" people is pretty pathetic even for a Fox news fan.

Happening already, is it?

That was quick.

It dident take long for the government to fasten on the flu epidemic thing. Maby it will take peoples minds off the fact that congress and the president arnt doing anything to the bank and business leaders who screwed up the economy. Big business as usual.

The USA, a very desirable destination for aliens, should be highly selective in whom we allow in. Of course, the flood of illegals makes this a joke.

Educating illegal aliens' children bankrupting Colorado schools
April 28, 9:01 PM · 9 comments

By Frosty Wooldridge

Nationally, according to a FAIR report, illegal aliens attending America’s schools cost taxpayers a whopping $7.4 billion annually. That’s over and above any taxes illegal alien parents pay. Furthermore, illegal alien parents work at the lowest level on the pay ladder or off the books. Thus, American citizens must make up the difference.

In a thoroughly researched report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform, www.fairus.org, titled, “Breaking the Piggy Bank: how illegal immigration is sending schools into the red” 2008, Colorado taxpayers shell out $925 million for educating illegals, $82 million for medical costs and $38 million for incarceration costs. Another $68 million pays for English as a Second Language classes for illegals.

Colorado State Representative Kent Lambert(R) said, “We found some very interesting graphs from the Denver Public Schools today. The DPS retirement system is insolvent, and they are desperately trying to merge with the Colorado Public Employees Retirement Association (PERA) to resolve their UNFUNDED LIABILITY. The PERA released a statement, “…the Board of Trustees endorses all aspects of the bill, with the exception of the funding provisions, which the Board opposes.” (PERA’s own actuarial status is also highly problematic, and lost about $15 billion in 2008; see http://www.kentlambert.com/Issues/TheEconomy/Index.html.”

Lambert continued, “Eventually, DPS and PERA could be looking for a state bailout to cover their retirement plans. Many legislators adamantly oppose that, but Attorney General Salazar wrote an opinion a couple of years ago that suggested that the state (i.e., the taxpayers) could be responsible to bail out the state retirement system.”

Illegal and legal aliens speak 85 different languages in Denver Public Schools. A study by the now defunct Rocky Mountain News titled “What Happened?” on May 16, 2005, showed that 67 percent of potential high school graduates dropped out or flunked out. State Senator Chris Romer (D) lamented recently that one in 10 Hispanic men graduate from high school. He referred to illegal alien students. All the while, those students wreak educational chaos in Denver school rooms.

“Here’s the interesting thing: The attached slides show several things,” Lambert said. “Note that required employee contribution rates have doubled in the last five years; student populations have SOARED during that time; and that right now, 34 percent of the students in DPS are “English Language Learners.”

“The bill to merge DPS Retirement System with PERA is a very high priority for the Democrats. The facts are that they have a severe UNFUNDED LIABILITY; that there may be a high correlation between their insolvency and the influx of illegal aliens into Denver as a sanctuary city; and that the “guy in charge,” Michael Bennett, is now up for reelection for U.S. Senate.”

Lambert said, “One solution might be to change the open sanctuary policy, get leaders with more concern about their own employees, and stop dumping their unfunded liabilities and costs of illegal aliens on Colorado taxpayers.”

As a former Colorado math/science teacher, I encourage lawmakers to stop subsidizing employers of illegal aliens. We need “attrition through enforcement” in order to raise our academic standards back up to their highest levels and provide Coloradan students first class learning experiences befitting the money their parents pay for quality educations.

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Advocate, I'm not sure why you keep arguing this issue when our government refuses to solve it by action or needed legislation. You should realize by now that our government is incapable of addressing this issue.

Unfortunately, it looks as though our government will solve the problem by granting amnesty, which will open the country to a flood of additional illegals.

I don't think so; they will establish some caveat for future immigrants to give amnesty to those already here.

The last I read, Congress has no stomach to deal with an immigration bill right now on top of everything else that is stirring public opinion, and there probably won't be any legislation until at least next year.

Actually, immigration is a good issue to be addressed by congress now, because the GOP has no power to stop new legislation.

Unfortunately you. are correct, amnesty will be granted to the untold numbers of illegals now in the US as well as all their relatives who are still living in Mexico. Regarding future illegals they too will be granted amnesty when their numbers become great enough.
As far as control of our southern borders, that I am afraid is a myth. In my opinion the question of amnesty should be put to the American electorate in the form of a vote.

au, That's an excellent way to solve the immigration problem, because congress is unwilling to address this major issue that most people want solved one way or another.

Congress did address this issue-- the solution was blocked by a Republican filibuster (which may no longer be a problem).

We voted in November. Let's support this Congress as it addresses the problem again.

ebrown, You must have missed my earlier post. Here:

At least Foxy is honest that she wants to stop Congress from resolving the issue. The anti-immigrant folks seem to be holding onto the fantasy that they they can stall until some dramatic conservative return to power.

Obstructionism seems to be the order of the day on several issues.

They're going to have a very long wait. The conservative party is in self-destruct mode as we speak. The latest poll shows only 20% declare themselves as republicans.

As usual you declare what "Foxy wants" even though Foxy didn't state what she wanted but rather stated the options we might have.

If you are comfortable with a Congress deciding the issue--a congress that has no checks and balances other than a President who is very unlikely to veto anything it does--then fine. That Congress will have to live with the consequences of whatever it does and, if it is so inclined, it may very well end America as we have known it. We don't know that for sure do we, but it has that power, and so far little inclination to preserve anything that has made America the unique nation that it is.

I am on the record that I do not trust that Congress to do what is in the best interest of either the American people or the immigrants they propose to benefit and I wish we had a minority strong enough to at least force the issues into the public debate and/or a President with the inclination to oppose it when the Congress gets it wrong. As it is, the few conservatives, Democrat or Republican, in Congress now have essentially no voice and no power.

Lets hope the majority isn't as bad as I fear they might be.

You are being awfully silly Foxfyre.

We live in a Democracy.

Obama made his position on immigration completely clear before the American public elected him. Republicans candidates for Congress-- almost to a one-- ran on opposition to amnesty-- yet American voters didn't buy this instead giving an impressive amount of support to their opponents.

The American public clearly doesn't buy your argument that disagreeing with you is a grave threat to the existence of the nation.

Sorry honey... that is how democracy works.