What should be done about illegal immigration?

@JLNobody,

We should be encouraging our own young people to get married and establish homes where communities are strengthened and stablilized and then have kids of their own. And yes, when there is full employment in the USA, we should and do welcome new immigrants that are interested in being Americans and helping it grow and become stronger. It does not strengthen America for people to come illegally, participate in identify theft, exacerbate the crime statistics, overload social services, work for substandard wages to the detriment of others, and be incapable of assimilating into the general culture. In my opinion, the staggering cost for this alone far exceeds the meager amounts that make their way into the social security system as the more productive illegals are not enough to counter that.

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@OmSigDAVID,

How about this government fining the goverment that they came from, for the cost of shipping them back? Fining the companies that hire these illegals? They're also taken advantage of by unscrupulous employers that don't pay them? Those companies should be seized by the government too! I'll bet that will discourage the hiring and with no jobs, illegals will be begging to be sent back!

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@teenyboone,

teenyboone wrote:

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How about this government fining the goverment
that they came from, for the cost of shipping them back?

We might have to go to war
to collect the fines; that can be expensive.

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Fining the companies that hire these illegals?

We discussed that already;
a question of scienter.

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They're also taken advantage of by unscrupulous employers
that don't pay them?

Maybe that 'll give them an incentive
to return to where that does not happen.

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Those companies should be seized by the government too!

That sounds unconstitutional to me; communistic.

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I'll bet that will discourage the hiring and with no jobs,
illegals will be begging to be sent back!

Instead of begging,
thay shoud return the same way that thay came.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/world/americas/05mexico.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper

And the beat goes on.

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@au1929,

This is particularly disturbing Au.

In the mid to late 1980's when hubby and I were traveling most of the State of New Mexico (and part of Texas), we frequently overnighted in Las Cruces where hubby found a barber that he particularly liked. Guillermo was Mexican born and a recently naturalized American citizen and frequently chatted about his former life in Mexico, the problems with illegals who were becoming increasingly apparent in southern New Mexico, and what he thought the U.S. government should do about it. He was firmly convinced that the USA should simply annex Mexico and make it part of the USA. He was convinced that folks would start moving south in large numbers instead of north. He knew it would be a politically unpopular concept, but he honestly thought that it would be best for the USA, Mexico, and the Mexican people.

Setting aside our usual common condemnation of imperialistic aggression, can you read something like the NY Times article Au linked, and not have at least some sympathy for Guillermo's point of view?

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@au1929,

Sounds like the robbers knew of this, why else rob an old man?

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I am a little upset. I just heard that Janet Napolitano, the future head of the Homeland Security Department, said that she is not sure that a fence works. Is she nuts? It has been highly effective in CA and in Israel. Good fences make good neighbors.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

Good fences make good neighbors.

Sure: the GDR was our best friend.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

This is particularly disturbing Au.

In the mid to late 1980's when hubby and I were traveling most of the State of New Mexico (and part of Texas), we frequently overnighted in Las Cruces where hubby found a barber that he particularly liked. Guillermo was Mexican born and a recently naturalized American citizen and frequently chatted about his former life in Mexico, the problems with illegals who were becoming increasingly apparent in southern New Mexico, and what he thought the U.S. government should do about it. He was firmly convinced that the USA should simply annex Mexico and make it part of the USA. He was convinced that folks would start moving south in large numbers instead of north. He knew it would be a politically unpopular concept, but he honestly thought that it would be best for the USA, Mexico, and the Mexican people.

Setting aside our usual common condemnation of imperialistic aggression, can you read something like the NY Times article Au linked, and not have at least some sympathy for Guillermo's point of view?

Pity you don't put more stock in Guillermo's point of view. He's right: Merging with Mexico would work to the mutual benefit of us all.

Watching our neighbors suffer obscenely through a fence is depraved.

In the mean time; an open border policy would encourage the majority of border crossers to check in and identify themselves, allowing Law Enforcement to concentrate on the criminals who couldn't/wouldn't comply.

Mindless bigotry and misguided selfishness is what maintains the status quo. This country is rife with the poorly informed who believe there is a finite amount of wealth to be had, and therefore believe denying another man a chance increases their own. This belief is as false as it is immoral.

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@Advocate,

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It has been highly effective in CA and in Israel. Good fences make good neighbors.

Advocate, those are hardly examples of good fences. Bush has been a much better fence, taking the economy to such a level that Wall Streeters are looking for work in Mexico, Dubai and Kuwait.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Advocate wrote:
Good fences make good neighbors.

Sure: the GDR was our best friend.

Amazing ignorance, eh, Walter. I guess he thinks everything is just dandy in Israel as well. Incredible.

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@OCCOM BILL,

While we are at it why not annex every country that cannot govern itself and get rid of borders inorder that they can come here to be supported by the American tax payer.

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@au1929,

That would be one possibility.

But just getting rid of borders would be fine as well.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

That would be one possibility.

But just getting rid of borders would be fine as well.

PLEASE -- get rid of your own borders.
Leave OURS intact.

David

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Advocate wrote:
Good fences make good neighbors.

Sure: the GDR was our best friend.

U LIKE being cozy with communism, right, Walter ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

U LIKE being cozy with communism, right, Walter ?

I suppose, I've got the wrong translation for 'cozy'. (Or you read a falsification of the story of my life. Wink

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@au1929,

au1929 wrote:

While we are at it why not annex every country that cannot govern itself and get rid of borders inorder that they can come here to be supported by the American tax payer.

Annexation would allow American business and money to flow to where they're at and eliminate the need to move here. Migration would be a two-way street. But as Walter points out; this could be accomplished without annexation as well.

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@au1929,

Au, where the hell you been, boy? People worry.

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Tear down the fence between the CA and Mexico and the flood of drugs will get much, much, worse. The fence in Israel has been a huge success. It is imperfect, but nothing is perfect.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

Tear down the fence between the CA and Mexico and the flood of drugs will get much, much, worse. The fence in Israel has been a huge success. It is imperfect, but nothing is perfect.

Well, that's nearly identical to what the GDR politicians said, over a long period of 28 years ...

(But it gave me at least some "adventures". Evil or Very Mad

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