Advocate wrote:Minority citizens, in particular, are losing out to the illegals.
We may have to pay a very little more for food products, but it will be worth it. Our country cannot stand this flood of illegals. Moreover, we should kick out those already here.
Where is your proof that minority citizens are losing out to the illegals?
The facts are these: a) under Bush's NCLB, more minorities (Hispanics and blacks) are dropping out of high school; b) high school graduates earn more than drop outs; and c) discrimination in the work place can be prosecuted by both federal and state laws. Did I miss anything?
Here's another case in point about immigration - legal or illegal. Many of the developed countries in Europe will have a huge problem with their aging population.
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Europe needs immigrants, report finds
Expatica
27 September 2007
cicerone imposter wrote:Here's another case in point about immigration - legal or illegal. Many of the developed countries in Europe will have a huge problem with their aging population.
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Europe needs immigrants, report finds
Expatica
27 September 2007
If they send the fare the people of the US I am sure will gladly ablige and send them a few million.
au1929 wrote:If they send the fare the people of the US I am sure will gladly ablige and send them a few million.
Did your ancestors buy a return ticket?
Walter Hinteler wrote:au1929 wrote:If they send the fare the people of the US I am sure will gladly ablige and send them a few million.
Did your ancestors buy a return ticket?
What your problem. Don't you want help? :wink:
And by the way my ancestors entered the US legally.
au1929 wrote:Walter Hinteler wrote:au1929 wrote:If they send the fare the people of the US I am sure will gladly ablige and send them a few million.
Did your ancestors buy a return ticket?
What your problem. Don't you want help? :wink:
And by the way my ancestors entered the US legally.
So what's your point? Ours did too! You see, most Americans are immigrant stock.
Impostor
If you don't know the difference between legal and illegal. I can't help you.
I also can't help you if you don't understand 1) it's the federal governments responsibility to control illegal immigration, and 2) those coming into our country are not taking jobs away from legal immigrants or Americans. Americans are needed on our farms and restaurants, but they do not apply for those jobs.
CI
Where and when did I say it wasn't the responsibility of the federal government to control our borders? Of course it's their responsibility, a responsibility where among others they are failing. You will note that there is movement in some states to take it upon their own by placing restrictions on hiring and housing illegals in hope that will force them to leave.
As to my reply to Walter I was just offering a solution to their need for immigrants by offering our excess.wink:
That's right; some states and many communities are establishing their own laws concerning illegal immigrants. I see nothing wrong with those actions, because I'm not in a position to influence their actions one way or another.
However, we must also realize that many communities welcome illegal immigrants, because they need those workers on their farms and business establishments. I also agree with those who welcome them.
I often wonder about those who are adamantly against illegal immigrants, but fail to do anything constructive to solve the myriad of problems concerning the labor shortage in farming and other industries that American citizens fail to work in.
Most Americans are the result of legal or illegal immigrants; many suffered discrimination including the Irish, Germans, Italians, and blacks.
Our economy benefits from immigrants; it brings both the skilled and unskilled to fill jobs to sustain our economic growth. Our country represents only five percent of the world population, but have been successful economically during our generation because of immigrants.
Most of our parents and forefathers didn't speak English, but they were the ones who had the foresight to come to the US.
Our country represents most countries of the world; and we are richer for it.
Oklahoma has every right to impose immigration laws when the federal government fails to do so. I have no problem with that. There are also states like California where illegal immigrants provide necessary labor. I doubt very much our state will ever impose laws and restrictions similar to Oklahomas'.
CI, I understand that the citizens of CA are paying a lot in taxes to support the welfare, schooling, and other benefits that go to illegals and their children. But the farmers, who have a powerful lobby, keep the illegals coming.
Again, farmers can switch to crops that are amenable to mechanization, and they can invest more funds into the latter. But they have it great when they can pay slave wages.
Advocate wrote:CI, I understand that the citizens of CA are paying a lot in taxes to support the welfare, schooling, and other benefits that go to illegals and their children. But the farmers, who have a powerful lobby, keep the illegals coming.
Again, farmers can switch to crops that are amenable to mechanization, and they can invest more funds into the latter. But they have it great when they can pay slave wages.
Not slave labor wages; California has one of the highest minimum wage laws in the US; higher than the federal minimum. Ever hear of the name Chavez? He was instrumental in improving the conditions of farm workers for everybody.
According to the following UC San Diego study, California farm workers earn $7.27/hour.
http://www.ccis-ucsd.org/PUBLICATIONS/wrkg37.PDF
Wow, $7.27 for stoop labor in the hot fields, breathing pesticides. Admit it, it is slave labor.
Huckabee has the solution for illegal immigrants...
All those aborted babies coulda been stooped over working in the fields!
Shame on the Supreme Court for allowing abortions and forcing us to accept illegal immigrant labor!
Huckabee also believes in the rapture, in which all believers will fly up to heaven (and the rest of us will rot in hell). Thus, the USA and the rest of earth may get overcrowded with immigrants and others, with polluted rivers and lakes, etc., because earth will be a distant memory.
Well, Former VP candidate Joe Lieberman believes that Jews are the chosen people, more favored by God than any other. Is that any more realistic?
