The claim that illegals take jobs others don't want has been disproven. This will be further clarified as wages for the poor and middle class are pushed down.
Advocate, American wages are not "pushed down" by immigrants; it's called skill, supply and demand.
In a world market place, competitition is what makes the world of economy work. That's the reason why if computer skills are just as good in Ireland, India, and Japan as it is in the US, US companies will build office buildings in those countries to compete in the world marketplace. Salaries in those foreign countries are lower, but the final product is still competitive by price and quality in the world marketplace.
In the offshoring of plants and factories, many US companies take advantage of the lower labor costs in those countries. It's not immigrants that lower US wages.
Many companies around the world in co-partnership with the Chinese are now building plants and factories in China. As the economy of China grows, their citizens will demand more of the "luxuries" of developed countries, and for those companies that are partnering with the Chinese are smart, because there's a huge potential in China.
Immigrants into the US has very little to do with those business activities or the lowering of US wages.
That we are having manufacturing done abroad with essentially slave labor doesn't somehow justify using such labor in the USA to heighten profits. For instance, a building contractor in my area who doesn't employ illegals, who are paid coolie wages, cannot compete with contractors who do. There is a similar situation in restaurants, hotels, etc., which feel they must employ illegals to compete.
I gather you have no problem with this.
You suffer from myopia; this world is now a world competitive marketplace. You either compete with brains and efficiency or loose. Part of that competition requires most competitive countries to establish plants in other countries where labor cost is cheaper. This phenomenon will not change any time soon; it will only continue to grow.
cicerone imposter wrote:You suffer from myopia; this world is now a world competitive marketplace. You either compete with brains and efficiency or loose. Part of that competition requires most competitive countries to establish plants in other countries where labor cost is cheaper. This phenomenon will not change any time soon; it will only continue to grow.
Thus, an extension of your logic is that the employment of illegals is good for the country. Are you another restaurant owner?
Advocate wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:You suffer from myopia; this world is now a world competitive marketplace. You either compete with brains and efficiency or loose. Part of that competition requires most competitive countries to establish plants in other countries where labor cost is cheaper. This phenomenon will not change any time soon; it will only continue to grow.
Thus, an extension of your logic is that the employment of illegals is good for the country. Are you another restaurant owner?
Wrong conclusion! Illegals in our country take jobs many Americans will not; it's obvious only if one opens their eyes to the obvious. How many poor American citizens go out to the country to work on farms? How many American citizens wait outside of Home Depot to pick up any job for a few bucks to work at mostly manual jobs?
Yes, it's good for our country, and their home country. How many are willing to risk their lives to to cross the border to find jobs because very few or none exists in their own? Who can blame them? What would you do in similar circumstances?
My brother in law just lost his job to a person from Mexico. He had worked there for over 10 yrs. and the employer hired the person for less pay. This is where many have serious issues with the employment problem. In NC where I live, the unemployment level is awful.
bellsybop wrote:My brother in law just lost his job to a person from Mexico. He had worked there for over 10 yrs. and the employer hired the person for less pay. This is where many have serious issues with the employment problem. In NC where I live, the unemployment level is awful.
There are several conclusions that can be drawn from your claim. Try naming them?
bellsybop wrote:My brother in law just lost his job to a person from Mexico. He had worked there for over 10 yrs. and the employer hired the person for less pay. This is where many have serious issues with the employment problem. In NC where I live, the unemployment level is awful.
I live in SC, where wages are generally lower than in NC, and where the damage being done by illegals to citizens is even worse. Many citizens who have worked at wages just above the minimum now cannot get jobs. That is because employers are hiring illegals at even lower wages and, often, with no benefits.
Advocate, South Carolina passed laws against hiring of illegal immigrants, and the actions they are taking for those who do.
Dorchester County Cracking Down On Illegal Immigrants - South Carolina
Immigrant-law challenge possible - Dorchester County, South Carolina
Dorchester considers penalties for hiring illegal immigrants - South Carolina (yet another one)
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"Dorchester county is one step closer to passing an ordinance to crack down on illegal immigrants. The proposed law passed second reading on Monday night. If it passes its final reading, the county will hire inspectors to double check the paperwork of businesses to make sure they are hiring only legal workers who have proper documentation."
Source:
http://www.wcsc.com
So, taxi22 joined the Minutemen.
Miracles never cease.
CI, if the illegals are doing so much good for the country, then why is SC (and many other states) cracking down on them so much? I think you know why.
We allow 2 M in legally each year, which is more than all the other countries in world combined. This should tell you something. We are such suckers.
cicerone imposter wrote:You suffer from myopia; this world is now a world competitive marketplace. You either compete with brains and efficiency or loose. Part of that competition requires most competitive countries to establish plants in other countries where labor cost is cheaper. This phenomenon will not change any time soon; it will only continue to grow.
Please explain if you can how can the construction industry, where a substatial number of illegals find a home move off shore. They are taking jobs from Americans by working for wages below scale. That my friend is a fact.
If illegals are taking jobs from Americans in the construction (or any other) industry, you're blaming the wrong people.
The federal government has the primary responsibility to stop this from occurring if is indeed happening. If the feds fail their responsibility, then local governments have the responsibility to ensure it doesn't happen.
If all levels of government fails to do their jobs, why are they still representing the people who vote for them?
Funny how that works.
CI
Indeed the federal government{do nothing government} is responsible for the current state of affairs . However, I was just pointing out that the illegals, contrary to the BS we hear from Bush. Do take jobs that Americans will take and negatively affect the wage structure. Jobs that can not be offshored.
cicerone imposter wrote:If illegals are taking jobs from Americans in the construction (or any other) industry, you're blaming the wrong people.
The federal government has the primary responsibility to stop this from occurring if is indeed happening. If the feds fail their responsibility, then local governments have the responsibility to ensure it doesn't happen.
If all levels of government fails to do their jobs, why are they still representing the people who vote for them?
Funny how that works.
Frankly, the govt. is not doing enough to keep out illegals because there are too many people like you. It seems that you care more for the illegals than our citizens and country.
No. 1) That our government fails to control illegal immigration has more than two aspects a) government not doing their jobs, and b) if I were in the same situation as those in South America, I may do the same to feed my family. 2) You can't tell me all the jobs filled by illegals will be replaced by Americans once they disappear - from our farms and restaurants. 3) The lower cost of labor on our farms, markets, and restaurants benefits everybody: the worker and the consumers by keeping prices down for the consumer; they are not "slaves," and choose to work in those industries. 4) It's not illegal immigrants that lower salaries/wages in the US; it's world competition: look at our imports vs exports. The lower cost of labor in many developing countries allows Americans to enjoy goods and services at "competitive/lower" prices; it's called "comparative advantage." 5) All the workers and consumers benefit. 6) Do people in China and India take away your job? How about Europe? It's a world economy, and that's only going to grow - not decrease. Live with it.
Jobs done overseas is another issue. We are talking about illegals in the USA.
If necessary, farmers could grow other items that could be harvested with machinery. Moreover, they are often not investing in mechanization because they can hire illegal slaves and save money.
But your claim that illegals take jobs away from Americans have not been proven. In all the years my brothers and I have worked on the farms to harvest fruits in California, most of the workers were Hispanics, blacks, or Japanese. Rarely, if ever, saw caucasians. There are many restaurants in our area that hire Hispanics; those jobs are open for everyone that applies for the jobs, but the majority are still Hispanics. Who's job are they taking?
Many of the farms in Northern California are being manned by Hispanics. Farmers do not discriminate who they hire as long as they put in a day's work for a day's pay. Who will fill these jobs if illegal immigrants are not allowed to work these farms? You probably don't care, because you don't own a farm; all you want to do is prohibit all illegal immigrants irregardless of how much benefit they provide our country. Do you enjoy US grown produce?
Minority citizens, in particular, are losing out to the illegals.
We may have to pay a very little more for food products, but it will be worth it. Our country cannot stand this flood of illegals. Moreover, we should kick out those already here.
