I have come to the conclusion that a lot of people want a steady supply of indentured servants in the USA. Brownie and Bill probably employ them, enhancing the bottom lines for their businesses.
So you're one of the coyotes, Advocate.
Walter, I don't get it. Are you somehow trying to insult me?
I recall that you were deeply offended by a mock allusion to your political party.
This thread points out something important. Even Advocate, cicerone imposter, and I agree on an issue. Further evidence that the estimated 20% or whatever that favored the recent legislation is pretty close to reality.
We elect people to the executive branch to enforce the laws, and if they don't do it, they are not doing what they swear to do with an oath when they take office. Serious stuff here.
And I agree with Advocate in that those people that want to continue illegals want their cheap labor in the form of second class citizens to do the dirty work. Those of us that favor enforcement and the right way to legal citizenship want to honor those who come here from Mexico and other places, that do it legally, to make them full first class citizens with all the respect and perks that come with it. Any other way to do this will only bring more resentment from the people that have live here legally, pay taxes, and all the rest.
I am sick and tired of the ebrowns of the world trying to play the race card, when it is they that need to take a big look in the mirror. And that includes some of our notable congressmen, Kennedy, and his pals, that suggest the race card to further their own power base. I am frankly fed up with their ilk, and wish the people from their states would wake up and send them home to do something productive for a change.
Advocate wrote: I have come to the conclusion that a lot of people want a steady supply of indentured servants in the USA. Brownie and Bill probably employ them, enhancing the bottom lines for their businesses.
Interestingly; if by indentured servants, you really mean second class citizens; that is precisely what eBrown and I liked least about the compromise. The bill's defeat all but insures the unofficial second class remains and will continue to grow. 3 cheers for the Status Quo!
While those on the Right feverishly opposed any form of amnesty; many on the Left were equally opposed to the idea of establishing an
official second class. It is somewhere between ignorance and dishonesty to claim the opposition to the bill parallels opposition to amnesty. The simple fact is; both sides rejected the compromise. Since Bush was behind the measure, and the Right was more vocal in opposition; the Right will get credit for killing the bill. But what precisely does this accomplish? The situation remains the same, and while by most accounts the proposed solution was no solution at all, the Right has positioned itself to be deemed responsible for the ongoing issue. Strategically; this can only be considered beneficial to the Left.
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Objective voters/citizens/patriots want boarder security FIRST.
Then we can deal with who is here legally or illegally.
In my view there is no compromise on security FIRST.
Keep saying this woiyo...
No I am serious, keep saying this-- loudly and publically. The more angry conservative making hardline statements on national news... the better. The best thing is that people like squinny are going to be on the uncomfortable position of being on the same side as you.
The term "objective citizens" is a good one. At least now you admit that there are Americans who disagree with you-- but now we will say that anyone who disagrees with you is not "objective".
Only idiots and politicians will try to ram a bad bill down the throats of the American people. There can be no compromise when it comes to security and you are on the wrong side of the issue,
Deal first with the boarder. Are you that stupid to understand that?
I don't know who the boarder is.
But I am part of the American people. Woiyo is going to have to accept this.
ebrown: But I am part of the American people. Woiyo is going to have to accept this.
How true! We must live with Bush until January 2009, because part of the American People voted for him.
ebrown_p wrote:I don't know who the boarder is.
But I am part of the American people. Woiyo is going to have to accept this.
I can accept idiots like you blindly voting any way your party tells you to vote.
That is probably why you can not seperate important issues like security at the southern border and illegal immigration control.
Personal attacks aren't necessary (or even helpful to your side).
The fact is that there are many Americans on either side of the issue... and more Americans still are in the middle (or have other more important things to worry about).
This is a political argument... it will be decided by the side with the most votes. Many of the votes in the middle will go to the side they feel is being the most reasonable.
This is why it makes me very happy when you proclaim you will not accept compromise. The personal attacks against people like me and vitriol against people who speak Spanish don't hurt either.
woiyo, You got that right! It's about securing our borders - from both "illegal immigrants" and from "terrorists." That's a simple and necessary requirement to keep us "safe and secure." Immigration is an entirely separate matter.
ebrown_p wrote:Personal attacks aren't necessary (or even helpful to your side).
The fact is that there are many Americans on either side of the issue... and more Americans still are in the middle (or have other more important things to worry about).
This is a political argument... it will be decided by the side with the most votes. Many of the votes in the middle will go to the side they feel is being the most reasonable.
This is why it makes me very happy when you proclaim you will not accept compromise. The personal attacks against people like me and vitriol against people who speak Spanish don't hurt either.
I can not and will not accept anyone, especially those who have taken an Oath to Serve the Public, accepting any compromise when it comes to border security.
The 2 MOST IMPORTANT things this govt is supposed to do is to defend the borders and build roads to support Interstate Commerce.
How can anyone compromise defense? That's stupid!
Also, I did attack you. You deserve it. Show me where I attacked people who speak Spanish? I said Miami is looking like a 3rd world city. Been there lately?
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The 2 MOST IMPORTANT things this govt is supposed to do is to defend the borders and build roads to support Interstate Commerce.
Here I thought that protecting freedom and Liberty would be high on the list, but it turns out that border defense and highway construction are at the top?
I couldn't find either of those listed as top priorities in the Constitution.
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What keeps coming to mind is that the president on down in the government take an oath to defend the laws of the nation. There is little if any of this when it comes to defending our borders and expelling illegals.
Advocate, just curious, which party has the stronger candidates in regard to border security for 08? Disregard Bush.
Yeah Advocate, I am curious about that too.
Let's not blame this on the president; congress makes the laws, so they are the ones responsible for enforcing them.
Have you ever taken civics, imposter?
The Reps and the Dems seem equally permissive regarding border security.
I would never defend the Dems when they are wrong. However, the Reps are almost wrong.
