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What should be done about illegal immigration?

 
 
old europe
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 06:24 am
Wo bu tshidao.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 06:25 am
¿Really?
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 06:26 am
¡Absolutely!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 06:31 am
Gottverdammich.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 07:13 am
:wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 10:04 am
Where, what? Wink
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:06 pm
What really kills me is that the Republicans are fighting and clawing as hard as they can to get this bill killed, which is possibly the worst move they could make.

Why?

In 2008, odds are there will be a Democratic-ran government, in the WH as well as the Senate and House. There doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence that the Republicans have any momentum going for them at all, and the Dems are out raising the Republicans for the first time in forever, with much more cash on hand. The Republicans have to defend more seats in the Senate then the Dems, by a good margin.

If the Immigration bill doesn't get passed now, you can bet that the Dems are going to pass one when one of them is president - and they will get whatever they want, then. It seems more intelligent to try and get something done now, on the part of the Republicans, before they really are out in the wilderness.

Cycloptichorn
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:16 pm
The funny thing is that this bill is not very good from my perspective. It is very harsh and contains temporary workers (which I greatly dislike).

The Republicans are going to kill this bill, which I am not very happy about, and then they are going to proudly take the blame for it.

Later when people ask why there isn't an immigration solution, America will look squarely at the conservative Republicans (who already took responsibility for blocking the compromise).

Then we will be in a very good position for a much better bill.

This is going to be fun to watch.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:19 pm
Cyclops; that conclusion relies entirely too heavily on your delusion that the 2008 election has already been decided. It also ignores the possibility that Republican strategists would prefer Immigration Reform be something that Democrats shove down Republican throats. Think about it. A large segment of the population is going to think it a disaster no matter what it looks like. And the current compromise is appealing to practically no one.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:19 pm
It doesn't matter if the bill is passed or not, now or in the future until the borders are secure.


Until then it's just paper sitting on someone's desk like the fence that isn't being built, yet was funded.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:29 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Cyclops; that conclusion relies entirely too heavily on your delusion that the 2008 election has already been decided. It also ignores the possibility that Republican strategists would prefer Immigration Reform be something that Democrats shove down Republican throats. Think about it. A large segment of the population is going to think it a disaster no matter what it looks like. And the current compromise is appealing to practically no one.


Just because you can't see the writing on the wall, doesn't mean that I can't, Bill. The odds are in favor of a Dem winning in '08. You know this, but don't want to admit it. The odds are in favor of the Dems keeping the Senate and House in '08, but you don't want to admit that either, I guess. This translates to good odds for a Dem-ran country.

As much of the population favors much of the bill in question - though everyone has a small problem with some part of it, you are correct - I am going to have to disagree with your last sentence. Path to legalization polls well, securing the border polls well. The overall bill polls poorly as the Dems think it's too tough on the illegals who are here, and the Republicans think it isn't tough enough.

If Republican strategists would rather see the Dems shove a Dem-written, Dem-preferred bill down their throats in three years, then hey - I agree with them and welcome the opportunity for that to happen. But I think in the long run it is a mistake for the Republican party to further alienate Latino voters (who had turned to them in large numbers before the immigration issue came up) while actively working to kill attempts to solve the problem. It's a lose-lose for them.

Cycloptichorn
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:33 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Cyclops; that conclusion relies entirely too heavily on your delusion that the 2008 election has already been decided. It also ignores the possibility that Republican strategists would prefer Immigration Reform be something that Democrats shove down Republican throats. Think about it. A large segment of the population is going to think it a disaster no matter what it looks like. And the current compromise is appealing to practically no one.


I don't agree with your analysis O'Bill. But the hypothesis is intriguing...

If you are right, it could be that both sides politically are really plotting to lose this fight.

That would make an interesting game indeed.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:39 pm
There are so many behind the scene deals being made...lobbyists...a defense budget vote next month etc...it's all a sham.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:41 pm
Brand X wrote:
There are so many behind the scene deals being made...lobbyists...a defense budget vote next month etc...it's all a sham.


Nothing is any different now then it was for the last 6 or so years - where were you calling it a 'sham' then?

Cycloptichorn
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:42 pm
If cyclops is right, and we have a Dem-Dem-Dem controlled D.C., then I'd suggest you consider investing in burqa factories.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:43 pm
cjhsa wrote:
If cyclops is right, and we have a Dem-Dem-Dem controlled D.C., then I'd suggest you consider investing in burqa factories.


They'll never meet the environmental standards we plan on imposing.

Cycloptichorn
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:45 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Brand X wrote:
There are so many behind the scene deals being made...lobbyists...a defense budget vote next month etc...it's all a sham.


Nothing is any different now then it was for the last 6 or so years - where were you calling it a 'sham' then?

Cycloptichorn


Okay, it's a retro sham.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:53 pm
McG: It doesn't matter if the bill is passed or not, now or in the future until the borders are secure.


Until then it's just paper sitting on someone's desk like the fence that isn't being built, yet was funded.

_________________

That's been my contention all along; without controlling the borders, any legislation approved by congress isn't worth the paper it's written on.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:57 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
They'll never meet the environmental standards we plan on imposing.

Cycloptichorn


Gotta love it when the village idiot tells it like it is... The socialist plan to destroy America is alive and well in Berzerkeley!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:58 pm
cjhsa wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
They'll never meet the environmental standards we plan on imposing.

Cycloptichorn


Gotta love it when the village idiot tells it like it is... The socialist plan to destroy America is alive and well in Berzerkeley!


Socialist, right. I agree with Kuvasz, who was speaking to Woiyo but could just as easily have been referring to you - you wouldn't know what a Socialist was if it bit you in the ass.

Cycloptichorn
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