snood wrote:Yup, those durn ay-lee-uns got it made.
Bad as those durn kon-vickts in fedral prison - livin off the fat of the land.....
To bad you missed out on the no child left behind program. If you hadn't you spelling would further along than the second grade level
au1929 wrote:OCCOM BILL
Lousy analogy. May get a job vs the absolute knowledge that you will eventually be afforded amnesty. And in the mean time you can milk the cow.
Talk about a lousy analogy. The cow is them, and the ones doing the milking is our industry and, indirectly, us.
Free Duck
Milking the cow refers to the services they can avail themselves of.
I know what you were referring to. There's just no comparison. We get way more out of them then they get in "services".
BTW, Cjhsa's "plan" from a couple of pages ago, if you run some of the numbers, has a mind-numbing price tag associated with it.
FreeDuck
You know that for a fact do you?
Tell that to the construction worker that has been replaced or must accept a lowered wage inorder to compete. Suggest you also go the the link I provided to Browne
realjohnboy
Anyone except the visually impaired would see that he was being sarcastic.
No, I don't think he was being sarcastic. I thought that might be the case, and I may be wrong.
Snood's comment was intended to be sarcastic. The response about no child left behind that contained two spelling errors and one grammatical error was intended to be sarcastic, perhaps.
au1929 wrote:realjohnboy
Anyone except the visually impaired would see that he was being sarcastic.
Anyone but the cognitively impaired would see that he was being idiotic... but I don't think he was faking it.
FreeDuck wrote:I know what you were referring to. There's just no comparison. We get way more out of them then they get in "services".
Depends on who you mean by "them".
Most of the "illegals" from Mexico are low-skilled and uneducated, yet use public services in the form of public education, fire and police protection, government assistance, etc. Consequently, a "negative" impact on the economy.
Contrast that to well-educated, English-speaking immigrants (a "positive" impact on the economy).
Quote:Second, as we will document, Mexican immigrants tend to have demographic and
socioeconomic characteristics that differ significantly not only from that of the native-born
population, but from that of other immigrants as well. In general, the economic performance of
Mexican immigrants lags significantly behind that of other immigrant groups and this lagging
performance is, to an important extent, transmitted to future generations of native-born workers
of Mexican ancestry.
http://ksghome.harvard.edu/~GBorjas/Papers/w11281.pdf
What about the well-educated English Speaking illegal immigrants.
Those uneducated immigrants who used public education... not only is that a problem, it is a logical inconsistancy.
I wonder how many will cave now ...
Quote:Bush repeatedly cast the matter as one of political courage.
"Those determined to find fault with this bill will always be able to look at a narrow slice of it and find something they don't like," the president said. "If you want to kill the bill, if you don't want to do what's right for America, you can pick one little aspect out of it.
"You can use it to frighten people," Bush said. "Or you can show leadership and solve this problem once and for all."
Illegal immigration's harmful effects
TODAY'S COLUMNIST
By Carol M. Swain
May 25, 2007
The Congressional Black Caucus has not been an effective voice for working-class Americans on the issue of immigration reform.
African Americans should expect and demand more from the CBC, because its members have elected to organize as a racial caucus. By doing so, CBC members have placed upon themselves the obligation to represent the interests of the millions of black constituents who have faithfully and repeatedly sent them to Washington.
Instead, CBC members have ignored social-science studies, congressional testimony and census data documenting the harm that high levels of immigration have caused and are continuing to have on low-wage, low-skill workers. Intervention is needed. African Americans and their allies should hold CBC members and other Democrats accountable for failing to represent the interests of their constituents.
It was Sen. Chuck Schumer, New York Democrat, who chaired the Senate committee that held hearings on black male unemployment in spring of 2007. James Wright, a journalist writing for Afro-American News, reported that Sen. Barack Obama, Illinois Democrat, chose not to sit on Mr. Schumer's committee. At the time that Mr. Wright's newspaper went to press in March, no CBC representatives were seated on the bicameral committee of House and Senate members.
Given their past stances, CBC members can be expected to support amnesty for illegal immigrants and the proposed new guest-worker program that will further disadvantage working-class Americans and those who will compete with the new immigrants for housing, health care, education and other benefits provided to low- and moderate-income Americans.
We need only focus on unemployment to get an idea of how African Americans and other historically disadvantaged groups are adversely affected by high levels of immigration. Consider that black unemployment rates are usually double the rate of whites and are higher than the rates of Hispanics. For example, in April 2007, the national unemployment rate was 4.5 percent. The black unemployment rate was 8.2 percent, with the rate for black males at 9.7 percent. The rate for Hispanics was 5.4 percent. Moreover, the Bureau of Labor statistics has forecast that in the next seven years the Hispanic labor force will be 6.3 million workers greater than the black workforce. As well, by 2014, the black workforce will lag behind the Hispanics, Asians and white non-Hispanics in labor-force participation.
Employed African Americans include a disproportionate percentage of high-school dropouts and graduates who compete directly with legal and illegal immigrants for low-wage, low-skill jobs.
New immigrants arriving since 1990 have increased the supply of labor by 25 percent for the kinds of jobs traditionally taken by poorly educated Americans. Using data from 2000-2004, Steven Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies has found that while immigrant workers constituted 15 percent of the U.S. labor force, they were a whopping 40 percent of workers without high-school diplomas. Only 12 percent had greater than a high school diploma.
The greatest competition for low-skill jobs is now occurring among people at the margins of society, a multiracial group that includes poorly educated blacks, whites and Hispanics. It is no wonder members of the working-class are the ones most upset about high levels of immigration.
Whether the topic is education, poverty, housing, health care or unemployment, blacks remain clustered at the bottom of the ladder in a most desperate situation. Therefore, their need for representation in Congress is ongoing ?- the more vigorous, the better.
The interests of American citizens should trump any obligations to illegal immigrants who have willfully broken the nation's laws and demanded rights and privileges not guaranteed by the Constitution. Often these immigrants show open hostility and disdain for African Americans, the very group whose civil-rights movement has benefitted them enormously.
CBC members should be expected to bring more to their districts than descriptive representation and loud rhetoric about race and rights. Effectively representing their constituents should trump symbolism and the Caucus's tendency to pursue abstract rights for imagined coalition partners. If the CBC is to fulfill its goals and obligations to America, it must be actively involved in shaping immigration legislation to take into consideration the needs of the most vulnerable Americans.
Carol M. Swain, Professor of Political Science and Law at Vanderbilt University, is the editor of Debating Immigration (Cambridge University Press, 2007).
Just an FYI, but my suggestion is not slavery, it is in fact 100% legal and completely constitutional.
Anger over immigration plan surprises GOP senators
POSTED: 7:34 p.m. EDT, May 29, 2007
Story Highlights
Constituents expressing intense anger over immigration bill at GOP senators
Nearly half of voters who oppose immigration plan view it as extremely important
Those who support immigration reform not demanding that Congress act
By Bill Schneider
CNN Senior Political Analyst
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In his speech Tuesday on immigration reform, President Bush was trying to provide political cover for members of Congress to support the legislation. That could be tough.
Republicans are getting an earful on immigration. "I have learned some new words from some of my constituents," Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Arizona, said.
The angry response comes as a shock. "The level of intensity and volume is, I think, surprising,'' CNN contributor and radio talk show host Bill Bennett said. "We've talked to a number of Republican senators, and they confessed to being surprised by the reaction."
There's a big difference in intensity. Among those who favor a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, 28 percent say the issue is extremely important to them, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll. Those who oppose a path to citizenship feel much more strongly about the issue. Forty-seven percent say it's extremely important.
The poll, conducted May 4-6, had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
President Bush said the legislation puts enforcement first. "If you're serious about securing our borders, it makes sense to support legislation that makes enforcement our highest priority," Bush said Tuesday.
Conservative critics responded with a scathing indictment. Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said, "The folks out there in America who, when they see Washington saying we have this wonderful plan, they say 'Yeah right. We saw what you did with Katrina, we saw what you did with corruption, we saw what you have done in terms of managing the war. So when you tell us you fixed immigration, we are not buying.' "
President Bush used equally harsh language to assail his critics. "If you want to kill the bill, if you don't want to do what's right for America, you can pick one little aspect out of it. You can use it to frighten people,'' Bush said.
But critics of the legislation are not frightened. They're angry.
You don't see as much intensity among supporters of the legislation. "People have begun to realize that the bill is not quite as bad as those who said it was before they had read it," Kyl observed.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, put it this way: "Our product is better than those who want to do nothing.''
Those who favor the legislation are not demanding that Congress act, or else. Those who oppose it are threatening retaliation.
Which is why President Bush felt he had to say: "It takes a lot of courage in the face of some of the criticism in the political world to do what's right, not what's comfortable."
President Bush may not be in a position to offer much by way of political cover. When he spoke at the event in Georgia, only one Georgia lawmaker -- Sen. Saxby Chambliss -- appeared on the platform with him.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, put it this way: "Our product is better than those who want to do nothing.''
Someone should tell Graham half a loaf is not better than none. A half a loaf is just that Just half a loaf.
Instead of dealing with the disposition of those already here the first action should be the sealing of our southern border and the mechanism used to identify illegals. Unless the flow is stopped any action taken will be meaningless.
ebrown_p wrote:What about the well-educated English Speaking illegal immigrants.
As a whole, they hold high-skilled, higher paying jobs and pay higher taxes.
Quote:Those uneducated immigrants who used public education... not only is that a problem, it is a logical inconsistancy.
As the report (and many others) points out,
Quote:...this lagging performance is, to an important extent, transmitted to future generations of native-born workers of Mexican ancestry.
Every one of the many studies I've read report that there has been little improvement in education attainment across generations of Mexican immigrants.
If you can provide statistics that show otherwise, I'd be happy to read them.
The obvious answer for this is to make sure they have access to a good education through college.
Studies strongly correlate college achievement with economic success (regardless of ethnicity).
This is why a path to citizenship (and in-state tuition rates) are such good ideas.
cjhsa wrote:ebrown_p wrote:The obvious answer for this is to make sure they have access to a good education through college.
Studies strongly correlate college achievement with economic success (regardless of ethnicity).
This is why a path to citizenship (and in-state tuition rates) are such good ideas.
You're a traitor.
If this be treason than let us make the most of it.
