snood wrote:Yup, those durn ay-lee-uns got it made.
Bad as those durn kon-vickts in fedral prison - livin off the fat of the land.....
To bad you missed out on the no child left behind program. If you hadn't you spelling would further along than the second grade level
au1929 wrote:OCCOM BILL
Lousy analogy. May get a job vs the absolute knowledge that you will eventually be afforded amnesty. And in the mean time you can milk the cow.
Talk about a lousy analogy. The cow is them, and the ones doing the milking is our industry and, indirectly, us.
Free Duck
Milking the cow refers to the services they can avail themselves of.
I know what you were referring to. There's just no comparison. We get way more out of them then they get in "services".
BTW, Cjhsa's "plan" from a couple of pages ago, if you run some of the numbers, has a mind-numbing price tag associated with it.
FreeDuck
You know that for a fact do you?
Tell that to the construction worker that has been replaced or must accept a lowered wage inorder to compete. Suggest you also go the the link I provided to Browne
realjohnboy
Anyone except the visually impaired would see that he was being sarcastic.
No, I don't think he was being sarcastic. I thought that might be the case, and I may be wrong.
Snood's comment was intended to be sarcastic. The response about no child left behind that contained two spelling errors and one grammatical error was intended to be sarcastic, perhaps.
au1929 wrote:realjohnboy
Anyone except the visually impaired would see that he was being sarcastic.
Anyone but the cognitively impaired would see that he was being idiotic... but I don't think he was faking it.
FreeDuck wrote:I know what you were referring to. There's just no comparison. We get way more out of them then they get in "services".
Depends on who you mean by "them".
Most of the "illegals" from Mexico are low-skilled and uneducated, yet use public services in the form of public education, fire and police protection, government assistance, etc. Consequently, a "negative" impact on the economy.
Contrast that to well-educated, English-speaking immigrants (a "positive" impact on the economy).
Quote:Second, as we will document, Mexican immigrants tend to have demographic and
socioeconomic characteristics that differ significantly not only from that of the native-born
population, but from that of other immigrants as well. In general, the economic performance of
Mexican immigrants lags significantly behind that of other immigrant groups and this lagging
performance is, to an important extent, transmitted to future generations of native-born workers
of Mexican ancestry.
http://ksghome.harvard.edu/~GBorjas/Papers/w11281.pdf
What about the well-educated English Speaking illegal immigrants.
Those uneducated immigrants who used public education... not only is that a problem, it is a logical inconsistancy.
I wonder how many will cave now ...
Quote:Bush repeatedly cast the matter as one of political courage.
"Those determined to find fault with this bill will always be able to look at a narrow slice of it and find something they don't like," the president said. "If you want to kill the bill, if you don't want to do what's right for America, you can pick one little aspect out of it.
"You can use it to frighten people," Bush said. "Or you can show leadership and solve this problem once and for all."
Illegal immigration's harmful effects
Just an FYI, but my suggestion is not slavery, it is in fact 100% legal and completely constitutional.
Anger over immigration plan surprises GOP senators
POSTED: 7:34 p.m. EDT, May 29, 2007
Story Highlights
Constituents expressing intense anger over immigration bill at GOP senators
Nearly half of voters who oppose immigration plan view it as extremely important
Those who support immigration reform not demanding that Congress act
By Bill Schneider
CNN Senior Political Analyst
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In his speech Tuesday on immigration reform, President Bush was trying to provide political cover for members of Congress to support the legislation. That could be tough.
Republicans are getting an earful on immigration. "I have learned some new words from some of my constituents," Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Arizona, said.
The angry response comes as a shock. "The level of intensity and volume is, I think, surprising,'' CNN contributor and radio talk show host Bill Bennett said. "We've talked to a number of Republican senators, and they confessed to being surprised by the reaction."
There's a big difference in intensity. Among those who favor a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, 28 percent say the issue is extremely important to them, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll. Those who oppose a path to citizenship feel much more strongly about the issue. Forty-seven percent say it's extremely important.
The poll, conducted May 4-6, had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
President Bush said the legislation puts enforcement first. "If you're serious about securing our borders, it makes sense to support legislation that makes enforcement our highest priority," Bush said Tuesday.
Conservative critics responded with a scathing indictment. Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said, "The folks out there in America who, when they see Washington saying we have this wonderful plan, they say 'Yeah right. We saw what you did with Katrina, we saw what you did with corruption, we saw what you have done in terms of managing the war. So when you tell us you fixed immigration, we are not buying.' "
President Bush used equally harsh language to assail his critics. "If you want to kill the bill, if you don't want to do what's right for America, you can pick one little aspect out of it. You can use it to frighten people,'' Bush said.
But critics of the legislation are not frightened. They're angry.
You don't see as much intensity among supporters of the legislation. "People have begun to realize that the bill is not quite as bad as those who said it was before they had read it," Kyl observed.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, put it this way: "Our product is better than those who want to do nothing.''
Those who favor the legislation are not demanding that Congress act, or else. Those who oppose it are threatening retaliation.
Which is why President Bush felt he had to say: "It takes a lot of courage in the face of some of the criticism in the political world to do what's right, not what's comfortable."
President Bush may not be in a position to offer much by way of political cover. When he spoke at the event in Georgia, only one Georgia lawmaker -- Sen. Saxby Chambliss -- appeared on the platform with him.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, put it this way: "Our product is better than those who want to do nothing.''
Someone should tell Graham half a loaf is not better than none. A half a loaf is just that Just half a loaf.
Instead of dealing with the disposition of those already here the first action should be the sealing of our southern border and the mechanism used to identify illegals. Unless the flow is stopped any action taken will be meaningless.
ebrown_p wrote:What about the well-educated English Speaking illegal immigrants.
As a whole, they hold high-skilled, higher paying jobs and pay higher taxes.
Quote:Those uneducated immigrants who used public education... not only is that a problem, it is a logical inconsistancy.
As the report (and many others) points out,
Quote:...this lagging performance is, to an important extent, transmitted to future generations of native-born workers of Mexican ancestry.
Every one of the many studies I've read report that there has been little improvement in education attainment across generations of Mexican immigrants.
If you can provide statistics that show otherwise, I'd be happy to read them.
The obvious answer for this is to make sure they have access to a good education through college.
Studies strongly correlate college achievement with economic success (regardless of ethnicity).
This is why a path to citizenship (and in-state tuition rates) are such good ideas.
cjhsa wrote:ebrown_p wrote:The obvious answer for this is to make sure they have access to a good education through college.
Studies strongly correlate college achievement with economic success (regardless of ethnicity).
This is why a path to citizenship (and in-state tuition rates) are such good ideas.
You're a traitor.
If this be treason than let us make the most of it.
