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What should be done about illegal immigration?

 
 
stlstrike3
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 02:10 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
It's up to the government to enforce laws they establish. If you feel it's your responsibility, good luck. I, as a citizen, expect our government to do what is necessary to contain illegal immigration. If they fail in that responsibility, it's not up to me to enforce them.


Do you have any idea how many of your tax dollars would be required to fix this?
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 02:17 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
It's up to the government to enforce laws they establish. If you feel it's your responsibility, good luck. I, as a citizen, expect our government to do what is necessary to contain illegal immigration. If they fail in that responsibility, it's not up to me to enforce them.



Who asked you to?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 02:42 pm
No one; but your insistence on argueing the point about illegals not being "invited" is supported by our governments inability to enforce their own laws, and companies and private citizens hiring them. Otherwise, what's your point?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 02:45 pm
stlstrike wrote: Do you have any idea how many of your tax dollars would be required to fix this?

Tax dollars is not the issue; it's how our government resolves this issue. I'm more concerned about how much of our tax dollars are being wasted in Iraq through mismanagement of billions that's supposed to be used for the reconstruction.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 02:48 pm
CI
It was you who claimed they were invited not I.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 02:53 pm
Baldimo wrote: To be a guest, don't you have to be invited? Last time I check we didn't invite people who broke the law with their very presence in our country.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 02:54 pm
au1929 wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
They were invited; by their hirings for jobs in the US, they were technically "invited." Americans hired them.


You wrote: Does that qualify as an invite?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 04:19 pm
Is there such a thing as "guest terrorists?"
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 04:47 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
au wrote: CI
Who invited the 12 to 20 million who slipped across the border and never left?

The US government, by not enforcing laws they themselves made into law.
Well said, correct, and part of the reason sending them all home so many years later would be unconscionable. Illegal Aliens have known for years that the worst that is likely to happen to them is to be sent home... and also that it was exceedingly unlikely this would happen. When you're at the bottom looking up; a threatened return to the bottom isn't much of a threat.

Since then; millions of these people have assimilated into our communities and have began raising families here. These children are Americans, by law, have done NOTHING wrong, and certainly don't deserve to have their families torn apart because a minority of bigots have finally started running their mouths.

As for ignoring un-enforced laws that were presumed to never be enforced, AU? Happens everyday, all the time. For instance: The Law books contain many outdated "bedroom laws" that are as un-enforceable as they are un-enforced. Unless you're a prude; you've probably violated a few. :wink: The legal precedent you seek is adequately covered by every man's presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt according to a jury of his peers. It matters little how obviously guilty of trespassing they may be; they remain innocent until proven so. It is well within the power of the legislative branch to enact laws that supersede the laws these people have allegedly broken. This is precisely what the empathetic majority of Americans seek. The empathy-less bigoted minority certainly has a right to be heard, just as the KKK has a right to assemble; but don't expect the rest of us not to voice our disdain for this seeming utter lack of compassion for your fellow human being.

Ps. Good to see you on the right side of this debate, even if it's a brief stay, CI. :wink:
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 05:05 pm
Advocate wrote:
Is there such a thing as "guest terrorists?"


No just undocumented terrorist.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 10:59 pm
It may be, and probably is, a good thing for America to accept some level of immigration from points South, North, East and West.

However, it is (by no means) a certainty that such immigration will prove to be positive.

We have immigration laws. They must be enforced or amended.

We should welcome no immigrant who is not willing and capable of assimilation.

Immigrants should never have rights greater than American citizens. Not ever!

If an immigrant joins our armed services, and serves honorably, he or she should be granted citizenship - no hoops to jump.

Becoming an American (legally or otherwise) is a privilege NOT A RIGHT!

Come to America illegally and you need to be deported. Come to America illegally or legally and then commit other crimes and you MUST (without question) be deported. We have enough citizen criminals and have no need for the alien variety.

Obey our laws and assimilate and I will roll out the welcome mat for you. Otherwise, I will do all I can to send your sorry ass back to whatever misbegotten place you are trying to flee.

This, to me, is entirely reasonable and fair. If you disagree, please offer cogent counter-arguments.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 11:08 pm
Quote:


Obey our laws and assimilate and I will roll out the welcome mat for you. Otherwise, I will do all I can to send your sorry ass back to whatever misbegotten place you are trying to flee.


Locutus Says:
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Resistance to the new policy... is futile

Cycloptichorn
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 03:20 am
Yeah, really. Wotta piece'a work.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 05:37 am
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Immigration deal likely in jeopardy

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Progress has been made on a broad outline that would enable illegal immigrants to gain legal status -- though they would have to wait up to 13 years -- and provide for a temporary-worker program and tighter border security. Also, negotiators have discussed granting visas to immigrants based more on skills than family connections.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 06:11 am
Any reform that rewards people for being in the country illegally is going to meet with strong resistance from many. Nobody here illegally should be eligible for citizenship in 5 years or 13 years or ever. Those who are here legally should be able to put their name in line for consideration for citizenship. Nobody should be put in line ahead of those who have respected our laws and who have been waiting patiently and legally for a green card and/or path to citizenship.

At the same time, as has already been said many times before on this thread and elsewhere, Congress should be focused on reforming and amending immigration laws to make the legal process more accommodating and less of a red tape nightmare.

I agree wholeheartedly with Finn, however, that nobody should be admitted who cannot be assimilated seamlessly into American society and culture. Each new person enriches the mix with the unique culture, experience, and gifts that they bring, but nobody should expect to be separate from the whole. We have expended too much blood and treasure during the relatively short history of our country to create a society that doesn't separate out people based on race, ethnicity, etc. An immigration policy that would build in, create, or tolerate such separateness should be rejected by everybody.

For what it's worth, I don't think guest workers here legally should be classified as immigrants. They would be temporary guests and should be viewed as and treated as honored guests, but not the same as citizens or people on the path to citizenship. I do think our honored invited guests should be able to put their name in the pot for a path to citizenship, but not ahead of everybody else.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 08:56 am
This report from the Southern Poverty Law Center. - Close to Slavery: Guestworker Programs in the United States - outlines concerns with the U.S. guestworker program for unskilled laborers (called the H-2 program), such as "Holding the 'Deportation Card'" (imbalance of power between employer and worker), wage and hour abuses, contract violations, and denial of medical benefits for on-the-job injuries.
And provides recommendations for improving the guestworker program, which the report finds is "inherently abusive and should not be expanded in the name of immigration reform".
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 09:13 am
foxfyre wrote:
American society and culture

I'd really like to see an operational definition of this or do you mean hot dogs, baseball and apple pie, chevrolet, gun ownership, lobster pots in maine, creole cooking in new orleans, texas bbq, california sushi, hatch's chilis, navajo fry bread, confederate flags and gun racks on pickup trucks in mississippi, mormon polygamy in colorado city?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 02:07 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
This report from the Southern Poverty Law Center. - Close to Slavery: Guestworker Programs in the United States - outlines concerns with the U.S. guestworker program for unskilled laborers (called the H-2 program), such as "Holding the 'Deportation Card'" (imbalance of power between employer and worker), wage and hour abuses, contract violations, and denial of medical benefits for on-the-job injuries.
And provides recommendations for improving the guestworker program, which the report finds is "inherently abusive and should not be expanded in the name of immigration reform".

Word.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 02:08 pm
dyslexia wrote:
foxfyre wrote:
American society and culture

I'd really like to see an operational definition of this or do you mean hot dogs, baseball and apple pie, chevrolet, gun ownership, lobster pots in maine, creole cooking in new orleans, texas bbq, california sushi, hatch's chilis, navajo fry bread, confederate flags and gun racks on pickup trucks in mississippi, mormon polygamy in colorado city?
Laughing
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 16 May, 2007 07:12 am
Senate nearing immigration bill

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Senators negotiating a bipartisan immigration reform bill have settled on the details of a plan that would immediately grant legal status to all illegal immigrants currently in the United States.
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