What should be done about illegal immigration?

el_pohl wrote:

I dont like the term America .

If Waldseemüller hadn't made the "Carta Mariana" - there would have different possibilties :wink:

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sunlover wrote:

My humble opinion based on what news I read and see, and the history of immigration.

Humble, yes quite right and for good reason.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

el_pohl wrote:

I dont like the term America .

If Waldseemüller hadn't made the "Carta Mariana" - there would have different possibilties :wink:

I think el_pol is objecting to the use of the term "America" to refer to a country (the United States)-- when really it refers to a continent (or two).

People from Mexico are Americans, meaning they come from the continent of North America.

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Yes ebrown, intersting that. The mexicanos I know refer to "Norte Americanos" while they themselves are norte americanos.

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ebrown_p wrote:

I think el_pol is objecting to the use of the term "America" to refer to a country (the United States)-- when really it refers to a continent (or two).

I'd thaught so as well - I would object, too, if people from one European country would call themselves exclusively Europeans.

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I have friends who refer to us as "Estadounidense".

"Unitedstatesian" doesn't sound right in English.

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'Merican is a little more specific.

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Brown

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Understand that this includes Latinos, children of immigrants and people who truly try to live the gospel of Christ including the part about loving one's neighbor.

I am far from impressed by that statement. We have a president who professes to live by the gospel of Christ. Are you satisfied with him.

The problem will not even begin to be solved until our borders are made leak proof. At that point and not till then should the question resolving those who are in the US illegally be dealt with.

Possible solutions that will reslve the excuse of not wanting to break up families.
1 Illegals with American children
aThey should get preference in the guest worker program
b The status should be permanent
c Since the guest worker program is supposedly to fill jobs American citizens will not take. That rule should hold true for them as well
d. citizenship should not be available to them.

2 All others should have to vie for the remaining places in the guest worker program
And never should they be eligible for citizenship.

3 Regarding those who have overstayed their visas. They should be deported.

4 Those who employ the illegal aliens should be heavily fined. Without jobs the problem will resolve itself.

Regarding those who are staging the demonstration. There is no doubt that the vast majority are Hispanic. Both legal and illegal.
I would also revise the procedures relative to deportation. Those people as they are found to be undocumented aliens should be marched to the border or port of entry and shown the door. No detention necessary.

Did I sufficiently rattle your cage? Rolling Eyes

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I am far from impressed by that statement. We have a president who professes to live by the gospel of Christ. Are you satisfied with him.

Professing to live by the gospel of Christ, and living by the gospel of Christ are two very different things. I have deep respect for the gospel of Christ, I have deep resentment toward many people who call themselves Christians.

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The problem will not even begin to be solved until our borders are made leak proof. At that point and not till then should the question resolving those who are in the US illegally be dealt with.

This is like saying the problem will not begin to be solved until we have cars that run on water, and a cure for every disease. "Leak proof" just isn't going to happen.

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Did I sufficiently rattle your cage?

No. You get one vote. Fortunately so do millions of US citizens; Latinos, and Hatians and Irish people and descendants of immigrants.

You all talk as if you speak for all the American people and can impose a solution against the will and political strength of millions of citizens.

The truth is that there is real political strength behind the pro-immigrant movement, and we want people here illegally not only to be treated with dignity and respect but also given a way to become citizens.

Today we march! Tomorrow we vote!

You are on the wrong side of history on this one Au.

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You are on the wrong side of history on this one Au.

Not based on citizens I speak with. They all feel that illegal aliens should be rounded up and deported immediately. If workers are needed the US could always allow for additional people to enter legaly.
We talk of the US being a nation of laws. Is that only applicable for citizens.

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Perhaps the citizens you speak with aren't a representative sample. You certainly didn't ask me.

We talk of the US being a democracy. In the end, this is how we will prevail.

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Thats right, "Estadounidenses" or "Norteamericanos"... sometimes just "gringos". Curiously, Mexico's official name is "United States of Mexico". Makes you wonder huh?

Interesting as well is the fact that "America" is a name that identifies a continent, as well as a country that holds a significant population representing each nation in the whole continent, inmigrants.

I believe that the US became the still powerfull nation they are, not by deporting people, but by receiving their economic aide... as well as their territories...

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el_pohl

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I believe that the US became the still powerfull nation they are, not by deporting people, but by receiving their economic aide... as well as their territories

Economic aid. Who ever gave the US economic aid? Uncle sap only give but never receives.

Regarding immigration the prerogative as to who should be allowed into the US rests with the US and not the immigrant. Those who enter illegally should be expelled legally

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ebrown_p wrote:

Perhaps the citizens you speak with aren't a representative sample. You certainly didn't ask me.

We talk of the US being a democracy. In the end, this is how we will prevail.

Then you will be happy if the majority votes to deport ALL illegal aliens,right?

After all,that is how a democracy works.

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The illegal immigration problem is merely a symptom of the disease, which is an incompetent government. Treat the disease, not the symptoms. Name one aspect of the government that works properly, I challenge you! Republicans can't cut it, democrats can't cut it. I say we need ot look to the libertarians and give them a shot.

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Republicans can't cut it, democrats can't cut it. I say we need ot look to the libertarians and give them a shot.

Would they be sshhhhushhhing us all the time to make us be quiet?

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Au1929 - So... the US humble and friendly nation that "gives" without expecting nothing in return? Riiiiiiight Razz

... wonder why they havent deported them before ...

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el_pohl wrote:

Thats right, "Estadounidenses" or "Norteamericanos"... sometimes just "gringos". Curiously, Mexico's official name is "United States of Mexico". Makes you wonder huh?

Interesting as well is the fact that "America" is a name that identifies a continent, as well as a country that holds a significant population representing each nation in the whole continent, inmigrants.

I believe that the US became the still powerfull nation they are, not by deporting people, but by receiving their economic aide... as well as their territories...

The designation "American' may seem a bit arrogant at face value, but the designation is steeped in 200+ years of tradition of our various states referred to by the general nickname of "America" which is included in the longer United States of America. If Canada or Mexico had included "America" in the official names of their countries, it is unlikely that citizens of the United States would commonly use the shortened name of their own country to designate either their country or their citizens. But the way I look at it, we adopted it first so the term is ours to use and the citizens of any country can call themselves anything they want.

Could you explain what you meant by your statement: "I believe that the US became the still powerfull nation they are, not by deporting people, but by receiving their economic aide... as well as their territories..." ?

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HickoryStick wrote:

The illegal immigration problem is merely a symptom of the disease, which is an incompetent government. Treat the disease, not the symptoms. Name one aspect of the government that works properly, I challenge you! Republicans can't cut it, democrats can't cut it. I say we need ot look to the libertarians and give them a shot.

The last time I looked, the official Liberatarian position on national borders was to open them and let anybody in who wanted in, prosecute fully anybody who broke the law, and provide absolutely zero services to anybody. Is that still their position

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And a salutary position it is, too.

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