What should be done about illegal immigration?

Well Obill, you're back to refusing to address the points made and just slinging ad hominems that you can't substantiate with anything anybody has said. So I'll desist from responding at all.

I'm sorry you don't like my sig line. I do. So I'll keep it.

You can do so by hitting "profile" at the top of any page.

Foxfyre wrote:

Well Obill, you're back to refusing to address the points made and just slinging ad hominems that you can't substantiate with anything anybody has said. So I'll desist from responding at all.

In other words; you've been boxed in, again, and are either unwilling or unable to recognize it. What else is new?

Foxfyre wrote:

I'm sorry you don't like my sig line. I do. So I'll keep it.

I don't particularly like it or dislike it; I asked why you don't simply add it to your actual sig line, so it doesn't get quoted every time you do. You can do so by hitting "profile" at the top of any page.

... ... so what? Where do you see a contradiction?

but it is not logical to simultaneously support an effort that will be quite instrumental in undermining the sovereignty of the same country.

another contradiction, though not one that i've seen you put out there, is that by all means, americans must respect the culture and customs of other countries, while at the same time standing by as people from other countries tell us that our customs, culture and immigration laws are irrelevant. doesn't work for me. or apparently for a lot of other people.

au1929 wrote:

OGIONIK wrote:

IF WE CAN COME HERE AND TAKE THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY AND MURDEROUSLY, WHY DO WE CARE IF THEY WANT TO MOVE HERE AND BE PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF OUR SOCIETY, PEACEFULLY?

can you answer that? i highly doubt it. its hypocritical and unethical , but we're all for it so it seems.

If someone wants to move into your house and sit at your table without permission or even asking would you object if they were productive members of society.

What would you say if we allowed all to enter but refused to give them food stamps, emergency medical treatment, education to their children, and any social services?

your not seeing the point, its ok for us to go into a house, execute the family and move in, but not ok for other people to come in peacfully?


blind patriotism , well, enough said.

American citizens have the sovereign right to offer a path to citizenship for the 12 million people are here illegally. If they are inclined to do so.

Some action must be taken, perhaps short of expelling all illegals. Otherwise, illegals will continue to flood the country, perhaps at a higher rate than before.

The data show that there will be only modest increases in the cost of produce, etc.

If the American public can survive paying 100% more for gas, whatever increase in food prices that happens will be paid. It's not like farms will quit producing our food, because our government stops illegal immigration.

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

but it is not logical to simultaneously support an effort that will be quite instrumental in undermining the sovereignty of the same country.

The asumption here is that all Americans are against giving a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. This is blatant political grandstanding.

political grandstanding my eye. i made no such assumption. you did.

what i said is based on logic. you cannot utter a prase like "why do you hate america ?; or similar nationalist stuff at the same time as disowning the idea of a nation's sovereignty, and not have a contradiction.

American citizens have the sovereign right to offer a path to citizenship for the 12 million people are here illegally. If they are inclined to do so.

true, if enough are for it. we shall see.

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If the country were owned by the right wing, anti multiculturalism, extremists... then saying this was an issue with "sovereignty" would not be ridiculous.

you don't have to be a right winger to think that this whole thing is gonna get abused like a red headed step child.

This is my America too (which is why I get to vote in pro-immigrant rights representatives).

that's what makes a horse race....

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another contradiction, though not one that i've seen you put out there, is that by all means, americans must respect the culture and customs of other countries, while at the same time standing by as people from other countries tell us that our customs, culture and immigration laws are irrelevant. doesn't work for me. or apparently for a lot of other people.

I am an American. Immigrants aren't telling me that my customs or culture are irrelevant.

then what do you call it when a bunch of people sneak into the country and tell you that your country's borders are meaningless, your immigration laws are meaningless ?

sure as hell isn't respect.

Factually... it is you who is implying that my customs and culture are irrelvant.

You have a very narrow view of what it means to be American. I may not fit your opinion of what an American should be... but I still get to vote.

no. you have a very narrow view of the issue.
you have a problem, so you want to make it my problem. that's not democracy.
and frankly, your continued personal snarking and hystrionics over all the bad racists is nothing but smoke for the fact that you do not, and never have had a good logical reason why illegal immigration is really legal. and for me, that's the debate. not ethnicities.

i live in los angeles. we have the largest mexican population outside of mexico. if i didn't like mexicans, i'd move someplace where there were fewer of 'em.

like boston.

Advocate wrote:

The data show that there will be only modest increases in the cost of produce, etc.

What data?

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