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What should be done about illegal immigration?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 07:35 am
From today's Albuquerque Journal [page 10], online at the San Diego Union-Tribune as well):

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 07:35 am
Quote:
You can't fence the desperate out

Ruben Navarette Jr.

SAN DIEGO. - There are lots of good reasons to be dubious of Congress' pointless and unimaginative plan to build 700 miles of fencing on the U.S.-Mexico border. But the possibility that such a barrier might hurt U.S-Mexico relations isn't one of them.

Mexican officials warned that the fence would damage the relationshipbetween the two countries and urged President Bush not to sign the bill into law. He reaffirmed on Wednesday that he intends to sign thelegislation. Now Mexico is threatening to take its case to the UnitedNations.

Mexico needs a timeout. Our southern neighbor has no standing in this debate. This is the country that plays favorites among its people, fails to provide enough job opportunities so its citizens wouldn't have to leave, scoffs at notions of social justice, and allows the rich and middle class to exploit the poor. Mexican officials really need to stop meddling in what remains an internal issue - that is, how we Americans go about securing our borders - just as Mexico wouldn't put up with meddling from Central American nations about how to control its southern border.

Pride wouldn't allow Mexico to take orders from another country, and yet it's that same sense of pride that compels it to try to give orders to the United States.

Besides, for Mexico, this issue is mostly about dollars and cents. The concern is that, if it becomes more difficult to enter the United States, perhaps fewer Mexicans would try. And that could hurt Mexico's bottom line by chipping away at the more than $16 billion that Mexicans in the United States send home annually. Since it has no real economic policy, Mexico has grown far too dependent on remittances, and it'll do just about anything to keep the faucet turned on.

But Mexican officials need not worry. A 700-mile wall is not going to curb illegal immigration. They are wrong about that - just as wrong as those immigration restrictionists who insist that erecting more physical barriers represents some sort of meaningful solution to the illegal immigration crisis.

First, the fence isn't even fully funded. It turns out that Republicans were more eager to beat their chests than open their pocketbooks. They authorized the building of a fence but not the money to pay for it. Congress put a $1.2 billion down payment on a project that could cost as much $8 billion.

Does anyone really think our representatives will ever be able to scrape together the other $6.8 billion? Which members would be the first to give back education or transportation funds earmarked for their districts to help close the gap? That's Washington-style accounting for you. Republicans played a big role in getting us into this mess by penny-pinching border enforcement dollars during the 1990s, and now they're at it again. They talk tough but spend on the cheap. And then they declare victory.

The bigger problem is that, even if fully funded, fences and walls won't stop the daring and desperate. In fact, such physical barriers are nothing more than flashy gimmicks designed to appeal to naive Americans who fancy simple solutions to complex problems.

Simple solutions have a way of backfiring. Adding walls and fences only enhances the profit margins for smugglers who - in response to market forces - raise their prices and become even more creative and determined in trying to find ways to move people across the border. Meanwhile, as it becomes more difficult and more expensive to go back and forth - something that used to happen with ease - illegal immigrants are more likely to stay planted on the U.S. side even if it means paying smugglers to bring in family members to join them. Call it a lesson in migrant multiplication.

The real answer is to do something that Republicans in Congress are always reluctant to do: take on their friends and supporters at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce by cracking down on employers of illegal immigrants.

What deception. House Republicans had better hope that the conservative voters in their home districts who wanted Congress to get tough on illegal immigration don't figure out that their representatives went soft when it came to turning off the jobs magnet. If they do, they might just decide that they have nothing to lose if Republicans fail to maintain their majority.

You see, it's not Mexico that Republicans in Congress should worry about. As always, it's Middle America.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 07:39 am
San Diego blaming the problem on "middle America"?

Walt, you really need to work on your remedial geography.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 08:30 am
cjhsa wrote:
San Diego blaming the problem on "middle America"?

Walt, you really need to work on your remedial geography.



We Europeans blame American snobbishness for not including Mexico when referring to "North America"...

wikipedia wrote:
North America is often divided into subregions but no universally agreed upon divisions exist. Central America comprises the southern portion of the continent, but its northern terminus varies between sources. The United Nations includes Mexico in Central America, while other definitions of the region do not, e.g., the European Union excludes Belize and Mexico from the area. The term Middle America is sometimes used to refer to Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean collectively.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 08:47 am
cjhsa wrote:
San Diego blaming the problem on "middle America"?

Walt, you really need to work on your remedial geography.


What oe said:

Quote:
Above: another quote from wiki

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source: North America. (2006). In Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved October 16, 2006, from Encyclopædia Britannica Online: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9110716

geography.about.com: Countries of North America
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 08:48 am
old europe wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
San Diego blaming the problem on "middle America"?

Walt, you really need to work on your remedial geography.



We Europeans blame American snobbishness for not including Mexico when referring to "North America"...

wikipedia wrote:
North America is often divided into subregions but no universally agreed upon divisions exist. Central America comprises the southern portion of the continent, but its northern terminus varies between sources. The United Nations includes Mexico in Central America, while other definitions of the region do not, e.g., the European Union excludes Belize and Mexico from the area. The term Middle America is sometimes used to refer to Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean collectively.


Who cares?

No one here cares that the Snobbishness of the Brits has caused them to remove themselves from any discussion regarding Europe.

Get over yourself!
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 08:50 am
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/16/D8KPNT380.html

"China Erects Fence Along N. Korea Border
Oct 16 8:43 AM US/Eastern

By NG HAN GUAN
Associated Press Writer

HUSHAN, China






China has been building a massive barbed wire and concrete fence along parts of its border with North Korea in the most visible sign of Beijing's strained ties with its once-cozy communist neighbor"


Good for them!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 08:51 am
woiyo wrote:
Who cares?

No one here cares that the Snobbishness of the Brits has caused them to remove themselves from any discussion regarding Europe.

Get over yourself!


cjhsa wrote:

Walt, you really need to work on your remedial geography.


If someone call that I need to to work on my remedial geography: I certainly do.

Especially, when the other obviously was ill when that subject was taught at school.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 08:57 am
woiyo wrote:
No one here cares that the Snobbishness of the Brits has caused them to remove themselves from any discussion regarding Europe.


Sorry, but I was completely unable to determine what you were trying to say with this above statement, and how this pertains to any discussion about the exclusion or inclusion of Mexico in the area referred to as "North America".

I, personally, find it quite interesting that you (Americans) don't include Mexico when talking about North America, while we (Europeans) do. However, if your snobbishness stands in the way of your willingness to learn, then you're welcome to ignore my posts.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 09:01 am
Besides that, I really don't know which "Snobbishness of the Brits" has caused them where "to remove themselves from any discussion regarding Europe".
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 09:28 am
old europe wrote:
woiyo wrote:
No one here cares that the Snobbishness of the Brits has caused them to remove themselves from any discussion regarding Europe.


Sorry, but I was completely unable to determine what you were trying to say with this above statement, and how this pertains to any discussion about the exclusion or inclusion of Mexico in the area referred to as "North America".

I, personally, find it quite interesting that you (Americans) don't include Mexico when talking about North America, while we (Europeans) do. However, if your snobbishness stands in the way of your willingness to learn, then you're welcome to ignore my posts.


Talk about arrognace!!!

What is it exactly I am going to learn from you?

You do not determine what or how Americans view Mexico. Just like I do not determine how you should feel about the rest of Europe. You are in what we refer to as Eurpoe, are you not?
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 09:29 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Besides that, I really don't know which "Snobbishness of the Brits" has caused them where "to remove themselves from any discussion regarding Europe".


Hi Wally,

I know you are still having trouble with English. :wink:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 10:08 am
woiyo wrote:

Hi Wally,

I know you are still having trouble with English. :wink:


That might well be. I don't ask you about your German, French, Latin or Dutch knowledge, since it's English which is posted here.

However the problem was about geography, wasn't it?

And may I kindly ask you to spell my name properly? Thank you.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 10:17 am
Now I am curious as to what the author was referring to when he wrote "Middle America".

To me, that would be the heartland of the U.S., where I live.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 10:21 am
cjhsa wrote:
Now I am curious as to what the author was referring to when he wrote "Middle America".


Read a geography book. Or look it up online - some links are above.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 10:22 am
Walter, I'm beginning to think we all need an English lesson or three. It is very hard to tell what the author may be referring to.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 10:30 am
At first, you suggested that I really needed to work on my remedial geography.


Now. we all need an an English lesson or three.


I really wonder, why YOU fight with tooth and nail to look up those terms.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 10:48 am
woiyo wrote:
What is it exactly I am going to learn from you?


For example that the European Union doesn't include Belize and Mexico in the geographical area referred to as "Middle America". As far as I know, when talking about "North America" we usually include Canada, the USA and Mexico. Don't you think that's interesting?

woiyo wrote:
You do not determine what or how Americans view Mexico.


Most certainly not. I've never suggested anything like it, have I?

woiyo wrote:
Just like I do not determine how you should feel about the rest of Europe.


Fine with me.

woiyo wrote:
You are in what we refer to as Eurpoe, are you not?


Yes, I am. I'm not British, though. English is not even my first language. But I'm in Europe, and in the EU, too.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 10:52 am
Because you don't know what you are talking about.

****, I was backtracking but f--k it. There is no "middle America" other than the midwest. If someone writes it that way intending something else, that is their own stupid ass problem.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 10:59 am
woiyo wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Besides that, I really don't know which "Snobbishness of the Brits" has caused them where "to remove themselves from any discussion regarding Europe".


Hi Wally,

I know you are still having trouble with English. :wink:


This from someone who prides himself on being monolingual. Amazing...
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