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Bill Bennett: The Man of Virtues Has a Vice

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2003 11:44 am
As I understand it, Bennett has now announced that he is giving up gambling. He also said:

...that over the long run of his addiction -- he just about broke out even.

...that he reported all of his winnings as required by law.

But I note that the investigative reporters have determined that his losses -- as reported by the various casinos -- amount to over $8,000,000.

Hummm...I wonder how difficult it would be to check Bennett's income tax returns and see if he declared anything close to $8,000,000 in winnings -- or as off-sets against losses. (Off-sets have lots of rules and regulations regarding how they can be taken.)

Or, perhaps he can be shown not only to be an ex-gambler, but a liar as well.

And he writes books about morals and ethics!

What a tangled web we weave...

BTW...my charity quotient is very low where Bill Bennett is concerned. I've written about what I perceive to be gross hypocrisy in the man in dozens of op ed pieces over the years. Sad as it is to acknowlege, I gotta admit I am enjoying his trials.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2003 11:51 am
This is, btw what I was referring to on another thread when I said people like GW/Rumsfeld et al eventually shoot themselves in the foot. They can't tolerate success. Not that this is a crime. Bill Clinton did it for sure. But this Bill (C) didn't run around the country pontificating about the sins of others. When I brought it up on the other thread (I forget which one) I was commenting on the likelihood Bush will help us out in our work to depose him from his ill gotten throne. I feel fairly confident about this. He'll do something eventually and it will be egregious enough that not even genius boy Rove will be able to PR his way out of it. I can hardly wait to see what it will be.

It does my heart good to remember that look of self satisfaction and condescension on Bennett's face while appearing on CNN so many times about virtue and morality. My sadistic side is showing. But, I would like to point out that I never claimed not to have one. :-)

Can you look down on us now, Bill Bennett?
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2003 08:44 pm
Kinsley on the matter (wonderful piece).
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1) He never specifically criticized gambling. This, if true, doesn't show that Bennett is not a hypocrite. It just shows that he's not a complete idiot. Working his way down the list of other people's pleasures, weaknesses, and uses of American freedom, he just happened to skip over his own. How convenient. Is there some reason why his general intolerance of the standard vices does not apply to this one? None that he's ever mentioned.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2082526/
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williamhenry3
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2003 10:31 pm
I would also suggest -- strictly by noticing the passing throng for so many years -- that Bennett's forays into gambling casinos must also have exposed him to the alcohol, illegal drugs and sex-for-hire women that are a subtext to the main vice.

Certainly Bennett's relationship with his wife and family must have been nauseously affected by his gambling. This is to say nothing of the Executive Branch of our government for which he served.

Like a man who has drunk eight million beers, Bennett cannot turn off his gambling addiction as one would a faucet. Certainly there will be some professional counselors involved in Bennett's story.

One wonders, too, just how much money Bennett made from The Book of Virtues? Surely, he didn't use Virtues sales for gambling the night away. Or did he?
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Eva
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2003 10:53 pm
He made a ton of money off "The Children's Book of Virtues," too. That really makes me gag.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2003 10:35 am
C. S. Lewis got it right about Bill Bennett
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

---- C.S. Lewis

-----BumbleBeeBoogie
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williamhenry3
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2003 09:53 pm
BumbleBee<

Lewis certainly had the Bill Bennett's of the world in mind with this quote, which the more you read it, the more truth it reveals.

As Dubya is now preparing for his first election to the presidency, I've been wondering if the Republicans will put poor ol' Bennett in the political closet until after the 2004 vote.

Surely, he'll not continue his role as a professorial apologist for Dubya. Surely, he will not be paraded on the Sunday shows and the 24/7 news networks.

How, BumbleBee, do you think Bennett will fare as Campaign 2004 gets under way?
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 08:47 am
WillHenry and Bennett's future
WillHenry (or Won'tHenry) that is the question :wink:

WH Quote: "As Dubya is now preparing for his first election to the presidency, I've been wondering if the Republicans will put poor ol' Bennett in the political closet until after the 2004 vote."

I think Bennett will take a moral pundit sabbatical, which is long over due.

WH Quote: "Surely, he'll not continue his role as a professorial apologist for Dubya. Surely, he will not be paraded on the Sunday shows and the 24/7 news networks."

Dubya has an army of professional apologists and Bennett will not be missed. Did you notice how all the republican party hacks flocked to Bennett's defence? If it had been a democrat involved, the same republican morality police would have pilloried him (or her.)

What do I predict for Bennett? He will start writing books about overcoming addictive gambling. He will earn lecture fees on the same subject. Keep an eye out for him at church bingo games.

I think Bennett was a moralizer for money more than any deeply held moral beliefs he may hold.

-----BumbleBeeBoogie
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 09:07 am
There is nothing so sweet as discovering a pompous, pontificating, self-certain moralist in an alley with his pants around his knees. What is this sheep thing in so many of us such that we would spend more than five seconds listening to such an arse?

Woody Allen, in Without Feathers, wrote a wonderful piece on Abraham's son's viewpoint the evening when Abe woke him, informing him that God had instructed Abe to take the kid out and kill him...
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[And Abraham awoke in the middle of the night and said to his only son, Isaac, "I have had a dream where the voice of the Lord sayeth that I must sacrifice my only son, so put your pants on." And Isaac trembled and said, "So what did you say? I mean when He brought this whole thing up?"

"What am I going to say?" Abraham said. "I'm standing there at two A.M. I'm in my underwear with the Creator of the Universe. Should I argue?"

"Well, did he say why he wants me sacrificed?" Isaac asked his father.

But Abraham said, "The faithful do not question. Now let's go because I have a heavy day tomorrow."

And Sarah who heard Abraham's plan grew vexed and said, "How doth thou know it was the Lord and not, say, thy friend who loveth practical jokes, for the Lord hateth practical jokes and whosoever shall pull one shall be delivered into the hands of his enemies whether they pay the delivery charge or not." And Abraham answered, "Because I know it was the Lord. It was a deep, resonant voice, well modulated, and nobody in the desert can get a rumble in it like that."

And Sarah said, "And thou art willing to carry out this senseless act?" But Abraham told her, "Frankly yes, for to question the Lord's word is one of the worst things a person can do, particularly with the economy in the state it's in."

And so he took Isaac to a certain place and prepared to sacrifice him but at the last minute the Lord stayed Abraham's hand and said, "How could thou doest such a thing?"

And Abraham said, "But thou said ---"

"Never mind what I said," the Lord spake. "Doth thou listen to every crazy idea that comes thy way?" And Abraham grew ashamed. "Er - not really … no."

"I jokingly suggest thou sacrifice Isaac and thou immediately runs out to do it."

And Abraham fell to his knees, "See, I never know when you're kidding."

And the Lord thundered, "No sense of humor. I can't believe it."

"But doth this not prove I love thee, that I was willing to donate mine only son on thy whim?"

And the Lord said, "It proves that some men will follow any order no matter how asinine as long as it comes from a resonant, well-modulated voice."

And with that, the Lord bid Abraham get some rest and check with him tomorrow.


(Woody Allen. Without Feathers Pp. 26-7)]
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 11:28 am
williamhenry3 wrote:
This news will be devastating for Bennett and his family. Even though he apparently has done nothing illegal, Bennett's gambling habit contradicts all the good he tried to achieve in his Book of Virtues.

How so?

It seems he has never spoken out against gambling as a vice, and that while the money he appears to have lost is a tidy sum, it is money he can afford to lose. At most it only shows us something that we already knew; he is a fallible human being. Now, if being fallible means one can not advocate the pursuit of virtue, then all the preachers, mullahs and rabbis in the world will have to hang up their garb.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 11:46 am
Scrat wrote:
williamhenry3 wrote:
This news will be devastating for Bennett and his family. Even though he apparently has done nothing illegal, Bennett's gambling habit contradicts all the good he tried to achieve in his Book of Virtues.

How so?

It seems he has never spoken out against gambling as a vice, and that while the money he appears to have lost is a tidy sum, it is money he can afford to lose. At most it only shows us something that we already knew; he is a fallible human being. Now, if being fallible means one can not advocate the pursuit of virtue, then all the preachers, mullahs and rabbis in the world will have to hang up their garb.


He's a goddam hypocrite -- like most moralizing conservatives.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 11:58 am
Frank - Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. :wink:
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 12:49 pm
Scrat wrote:
Frank - Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. :wink:


I'd humor you on this, Scrat, but I might get expelled from the site if I did.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 01:21 pm
Shocked :wink:
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 01:39 pm
Why are "moralizing conservatives" hypocrites?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 01:45 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
Why are "moralizing conservatives" hypocrites?




One -- I didn't say "moralizing conservatives" are hypocrites, I said "most" moralizing conservatives are hypocrites.

Two -- since "moralizing conservatives" are drawn from (are a subset of) conservatives in general -- and since most conservatives in general are hypocrites, it follows that most moralizing conservatives are also hypocrites -- right???

Or did I miss something?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 01:45 pm
How am I doin', Scrat?
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 02:26 pm
You don't want to know what I think. What's important is that you're enjoying yourself. :wink:
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 02:28 pm
We are all enjoying ourselves greatly. Thank you, Bill.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 09:36 pm
Yes, many thanks to Bill Bennett, Mr. Hypocrite himself.

Scrat, he may not have mentioned gambling in his book, but why do you suppose he chose to leave his vice of choice out of his book of "virtues"? While moralizing about all the sinners in the world, he neglected to include himself. And that's what makes him a hypocrite. Before we had proof he was a hypocrite, he was simply a pig headed, holier than thou, finger wagging moralizer who was so busy telling other people how they should live their lives he forgot to notice that he was being outrageously condescending. So now we have proof he's a hypocrite too. This is something many of us already suspected. My, my how he hangs his head when in the eye of the camera now. Many of us indulge in our
vice(s) of choice. But most of us don't make a fortune (all the better to gamble with) by telling others what big fat sinners they all are.

I am entertained, Bill. Keep up the good work.
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