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Bill Bennett: The Man of Virtues Has a Vice

 
 
Reply Fri 2 May, 2003 06:56 pm
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williamhenry3
 
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Reply Fri 2 May, 2003 09:30 pm
This news will be devastating for Bennett and his family. Even though he apparently has done nothing illegal, Bennett's gambling habit contradicts all the good he tried to achieve in his Book of Virtues.

I doubt if the talking heads on TV -- especially those on FOXnews -- will seek out Bennett's virtuous advice as frequently on a plethora of subjects, most of them issues which are fodder for the Republican right wing's spin zone.

There is a larger issue here and that is the notion of whether or not he is addicted to gambling, which for some people becomes a process addiction.

I would guess that millions of men and women across the country go to work every day, make superlative salaries, seemingly have no problems whatsoever except for a sad little secret known as alcoholism. I have known several people like this.

The notion that a person has to lose everything and become a street bum due to his/her alcoholism is a myth. A person who is in late middle-age and has gambled most of his/her life has more than a fondness for these games of chance. They are, in fact, addicted to gambling and need professional help.

Were I Bill Bennett, I would quit denying that I had a problem with gambling. I would seek help from an addictions counselor and from the 12-step group known as Gamblers Anonymous.

It seems that right now Bennett is living in the problem, not the solution.
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JoanneDorel
 
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Reply Fri 2 May, 2003 10:09 pm
Whew, glad to hear he is not perfect.
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williamhenry3
 
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Reply Fri 2 May, 2003 10:25 pm
Joanne<

Nobody is.

Very few people, however, have written a best-seller entitled The Book of Virtues.

Mr. Bennett's gambling habit gives credence to the fact that no one can be virtuous all the time.

In GOP circles, Bennett has been elevated to Deity because of his book.
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Mapleleaf
 
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Reply Fri 2 May, 2003 10:41 pm
My..my..my...
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2003 08:02 am
According to the Washington Monthly:

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In 1998, The Washington Times reported in a light-hearted front-page feature story that he plays low-stakes poker with a group of prominent conservatives, including Robert Bork, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, and Chief Justice William Rehnquist.


According to the United Press International:

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Bennett has long been known to be part of a small-stakes poker game in Washington with Chief Justice William Rehnquist, Associate Justice Antonin Scalia and lawyer Robert Bork.


According to Washington DC law, that is punishable by imprisonment of up to five years.

Book 'em, Danno.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2003 08:12 am
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Friends of Mr. Bennett were reluctant today to criticize him directly.

"It's his own money and his own business," Grover G. Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, a conservative advocacy group, said. "The downside of gambling losses is that the government gets a third of the money, which is unfortunate and probably a sin in and of itself," said Mr. Norquist, whose group advocates smaller government.

William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard and another conservative ally of Mr. Bennett, agreed that this was a matter between Mr. Bennett, his wife and his accountant.

"It would be different if he had written anti-gambling screeds," Mr. Kristol said. "I'm sure he doesn't regard gambling as a virtue but as a rather minor and pardonable vice and a legal one and one that has not damaged him or anyone else."

Mr. Kristol said that Mr. Bennett was not being hypocritical. "If Bill Bennett went on TV encouraging young people to gamble the rent money at a Las Vegas casino or was shilling for gambling interests, that would be inconsistent" with his moral crusades, Mr. Kristol said.


New York Times

Could I be allowed the liberty of re-writing that, substituting a few key words:

"It's his own penis and his own business," Grover G. Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, a conservative advocacy group, said. "The downside of getting the occasional blowjob is that Clinton gets a cheap thrill, which is unfortunate and probably a sin in and of itself," said Mr. Norquist, whose group advocates smaller government.

William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard and another conservative bitter enemy of Mr. Clinton, agreed that this was a matter between Mr. Clinton, his wife and his aggressive young paramour. "It would be different if he had written anti-sex screeds," Mr. Kristol said. "I'm sure he doesn't regard the occasional blowjob on the side as a virtue but as a rather minor and pardonable vice and a legal one and one that has not damaged him or anyone else."

Mr. Kristol said that Mr. Clinton was not being hypocritical. "If Bill Clinton went on TV encouraging young people to engage in oral sex at halftime during the Homecoming game or was shilling for extramarital interests, that would be inconsistent" with his domestic policy on the economy which has resulted in an unprecedented surplus, Mr. Kristol said.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2003 09:35 am
There were times when he was the drug czar -- and had given up cigarette smoking as a result -- where I actually resorted to praying he would take up the habit again. He was so typical of cigarette smokers who were off the weed -- like a monster -- and I feared for the safety of the public with him in a position of high power.

In any case, guys like Bennett are always indignant about what other people do -- not about their own bad habits.

I think the appropriate word is: Hypocrisy.
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williamhenry3
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2003 11:53 am
Or just another classic illustration of "Do what I say, not what I do."
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2003 10:13 pm
Bennett has left himself open for this. Like Newt Gingrich and others like him before. It's interesting to see and it's so often true that those who are most adamant about the morals of others bear watching themselves.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2003 12:18 am
I would be leery about anybody who has an addiction.....which Bennett obviously does. Whether he can afford it, or the fact that he is not "gambling away the milk money" is absolutely besides the point.

The man obviously has a serious addictive personality, which must color the judgements he makes, across the board. I would not want to see him in a very powerful position. Also, I AM disturbed by a person who has a problem, denies it, and then writes a book on morality. Not that former Presidents have always been paragons of mental health and appropriate demeanor............ Sad
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2003 09:31 am
I agree Phoenix. It sounds like an addiction, although we don't know the extent to which he's driven, it's easy enough to make an informed assumption, based on his behavior about morality. He seems driven about morality, and as Frank points out, he's driven about the morality of others and not about himself. What I mean is he expresses no interest in understanding himself, but rather is driven to pronounce judgements about the behavior of others. Just his emphasis on behavior rather than understanding is an indication of the compulsive nature of his preoccupation with the morality of others. I think of addiction as compulsive and often obsessive behavior. It's not that he shouldn't have an opinion about that he wishes others would or would not do, but it's rather his compulsive focus and self righteousness on and about the morality of others that is the danger signal about Bennett for me. I would not be so worried about his gambling if he were less blind to it's implications about himself and how he fits in along with the rest of us imperfect folks. I wonder if he ever feels curious about why he is so driven, about what he's trying to deny through the use of this behavior.

People like Bill Bennett, along with George Bush, Ashcroft, Tom Hicks, Carl Rove, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, etc. make me nervous when they are in positions of power because they lack perspective about their own contribution and seem to be unwilling to consider their own behavior as potentially dangerous. They are much more likely to decide that they, being so special and full of insight about what others should be doing, are free to allow their means to justify what they do. But we haven't really learned anything new about Bennett. We all know he's compulsive about the morality of others and his gambling habit simply makes it a little easier to see.
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williamhenry3
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2003 09:56 am
Well said, Lola!
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2003 10:30 am
Reply to Lola
Lola, I've always had the feeling that morality crusaders are, in reality, trying to bolster their defences against their own urges. It's like AA members repeating their stories to help them remain sober.

I think people like Bennett et al pontificate and pen morality tracts to reinforce their efforts to not indulge in behavior that they consider shameful, but cannot resist. I, for one, get bored and annoyed with their manipulation of the public to help them lead admirable private lives.

We've seen so many examples of this. Crusading clergy who get caught engaging in the same behavior they profess to abhor. Politicians who are exposed engaging in behavior opposite of their public advocacy.

We all know who are the most famous of these hypocrites. What is novel is that so many people are surprised and disappointed with these feet of clay human behaviorisms.

-----BumbleBeeBoogie
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2003 11:28 am
This kind of misbehavior is endemic to the self-righteous. Sinclair Lewis depicted the type in "Elmer Gantry". I thought it was almost too pat when I read it in high school. Now I'm older and wiser.

And may I chime in with my own thanks to Lola for summarizing this type so well!
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2003 11:52 am
There have been so many excellent posts and observations from everyone participating in this thread -- I cannot bring myself to pick just one comment out and extend it.

But I can tell you all this: I would sooner take advice on morality and ethics from the people posting in this thread than from Bill Bennett any day!
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williamhenry3
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2003 11:54 pm
BumbleBee<

Like the alcoholic, society in general often enables "morality crusaders" to continue their wicked ways. Instead of being merely disappointed with these people, we should be outraged!

It is my belief that society itself becomes "addicted" to stories like the Bennett one. We bounce from one disappointing story to another, yet where is the outrage? Where are the ethics of our society that say "what you are doing is wrong and I am outraged at your behavior?"

They are chewed in the journalistic grist-mill that keeps our 24/7 non-stop news flowing. Bill Bennett, for example, should not be paid another
dime for his after-dinner speeches. This is not to stifle his First Amendment rights, but it would serve as a reminder to society in general -- and young people in particular -- that if you gamble away $8 million, then society will turn off your addiction by depriving you of an income you do not earn or appreciate.


D'artagnan<

Sinclair Lewis' brilliant story of Elmer Gantry is more overlooked than it should be. Its truths are still true today -- so many decades after the novel was published.

An eloquent movie of Elmer Gantry was made with Burt Lancaster as Elmer. If you haven't seen the movie, it is highly recommended. Lancaster's performance in revealing the hypocrisy of "moral crusaders" is right on target.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2003 08:31 am
Willhenry3
Will, I like the idea of suggesting that Bennett not make money off of his morality speaking engagements.

I think greedy manipulative Bennett will find a way to still make money. He probably will start writing books about all kinds of addictions and how to defeat them. He will scribble the story of how he overcame his own addictions as a model for others to follow. He will earn millions more.

Bennett will probably find a way to continue to gamble. Maybe on line. It can be hidden easier than playing the slots in a casino. In the end, he is still a money and moral loser.

BumbleBeeBoogie
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2003 08:42 am
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Funny. I don't recall seeing a chapter in "The Book of Virtues'' that explains the virtue of pumping $1,000 chips into Bellagio's slot machines in the wee small hours of the morning.

Besides the slots, Bennett admitted that he favors video poker -- which, in the gaming world, and in states that have acted to ban the machines, is known as "the crack cocaine of gambling.'' The game requires no skill, only a deep compulsion. Serious gamblers avoid it; serious addicts love it.

It is an odd choice of relaxation for a man who has made his fortune by commenting on others' lack of restraint.

Bennett countered that he has won a lot of money, too, and that the magazine articles don't give him credit for that. He said he donated some of his winnings to charity and was scrupulous about paying taxes on the rest. All in all, he claims he has pretty much broken even at the casinos. (I've never met a gambler who claimed otherwise.)

That's fine. Gambling in those towns is legal, after all, and Bill Bennett certainly is an adult who can make his own choices. But alcohol is legal, too, as are some pharmaceuticals. It's the abuse of them that causes problems -- the lack of self-discipline, to borrow a favorite Bennett phrase.

If Bennett is telling the truth, that he has won as much as he's lost -- and the man has a reputation for honesty -- it means he has had nearly $16 million in play at the casinos over the past 10 years. Legal or not, that's hardly a resume item one would expect from a fellow who makes his living by ginning up morality lectures in which the rest of us are at fault for our vice, sin and the lack of self-control. As Bennett points out in the quotation atop this column, self-discipline is "an odd sort of relationship,'' and that "many of us don't handle it very well.''

Verily, verily. Perhaps he'll atone by showing up this morning on "Meet the Press'' and giving himself a good spanking.

But as an occasional bettor -- though certainly not in Bennett's league -- I'm offering odds of 8 to 5 that it won't happen.

Anybody want a piece of that action?


The Virginian-Pilot
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2003 11:18 am
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"It is true that I have gambled large sums of money," Bennett said in a statement. "I have also complied with all laws on reporting wins and losses.

"Nevertheless I have done too much gambling, and this is not an example
I wish to set. Therefore my gambling days are over."


But you didn't mind setting that example last week, so what changed, Bill?

I'll tell you what changed: YOU GOT CAUGHT!

For years, you whined, especially during the impeachment, that when people apologize after they get caught, you have to ask why they didn't apologize before they were caught. That means they'd probably still be doing it if they could. That's what you said then, Poker Willy.

Those are the rules you hypocrites laid out.

We'll forgive you for your vices, because you're a Republican.

We forgave Dan Burton for fathering a child out of wedlock.
We forgave Henry Hyde for breaking up that family by whoring with the wife.
We forgave Bob Barr (R--"Murdered-his-daughter") because he was such a strong pro-life advocate.
We forgave Newt, after screwing two wives over, one on her deathbed, because he hates blacks and poor people and everyone who dares disagree with him.
We forgave Smirk for abortion, coke, deserting during wartime, lying about his Iraq war that has killed thousands, and stealing the election.
We forgave Cheney and Rummy for arming Saddam and Osama.

We forgave them all.

But Bill Clinton lied about sex, and THAT cannot be forgiven.
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