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WOMEN IN JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN TRADITIONS VERSUS WOMEN IN ISLAM

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 7 Apr, 2006 05:43 am
Re: DRIVE
dalahow2 wrote:
...It is fact that Islam is very consistent with it's teachings than any other religion.Islam is fair to all parties..men/women..rich and poor...master/slave...and so on.
Laughing

ok Dala I own up I changed servant to slave...it just seemed to read better that way. I believe slavery has been abolished in Saudi Arabia. But there again perhaps I'm wrong

http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/SaudiArabia.htm
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Fri 7 Apr, 2006 05:46 am
Kratos wrote:
Proselytizing never seems to do very well at winning over people; especially when their arguments are based on silly works of fiction.

2 billion christians and 1.2 billion muslims stand as evidence to the contrary!
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 7 Apr, 2006 05:49 am
Good quote from Danel Dennet promoting his book

Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenum

"If you have to hoodwink your children to ensure that they confirm their faith when they are adults, your faith ought to go extinct."
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Fri 7 Apr, 2006 06:10 am
ISLAM rising...
Doktor S wrote:
Kratos wrote:
Proselytizing never seems to do very well at winning over people; especially when their arguments are based on silly works of fiction.

2 billion christians and 1.2 billion muslims stand as evidence to the contrary!


Smile 1.6 billion in 2006 years and 1.5 Billion in 1400years....

The figure keeps rising especially in The western World...It is estimated that ISLAM will be the dominant religion in 2-3years from now...

So you feel the heat...

Truly WHEAT has been separated from THE CHAFF
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Eorl
 
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Reply Fri 7 Apr, 2006 08:09 am
dalahow2, you seem to be doing quite a good job of single-handedly reversing that trend.

You are the worst advertisement for Islam I've yet encountered. Why on earth do you think anyone should feel threatened by Islam? What "heat" are we supposed to feel? The kind they are feeling in Baghdad yet again tonight?
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Fri 7 Apr, 2006 02:10 pm
The heat you will burn in when you go to hell along with all the other unbelievers.

"When it is said to them, 'Fear God', they are led by arrogance to more crime. Hell shall be enough for them, an evil bed indeed to lie on!" (Al-Baqara, 206)
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mesquite
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 11:24 am
Raul-7,

It is not God we have to fear but men whose minds have been twisted by the clergy.
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yitwail
 
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Reply Mon 10 Apr, 2006 03:29 pm
this is an old thread, i know, but i wonder if muslims care to explain how stoning for adultery in the Hadith represents better treatment of women than found in the Gospels.

Quote:
"'Abdullah b. Buraida reported on the authority of his father: There came to the Prophet (S) a woman from Ghamid and said:

Allah's Messenger (S), I have committed adultery, so purify me. He turned her away.

On the following day she said: Allah's Messenger (S), why do you turn me away? Perhaps you turn me away as you turned away Ma'iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant.

He (S) said: well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child).

When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said: Here is the child whom I have given birth to.

He (S) said: Go away and suckle him until you wean him.

When she had weaned him, she came to the Prophet (S) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said: Allah's Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food.

Prophet (S) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded the people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head, and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her.

Allah's Apostle (S) heard Khalid's curse.

Thereupon he (S) said: Khalid, be gentle. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even it a wrongful tax collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven.

Then giving command regarding her, he prayed over her and she was buried."


John 8:1-11

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1Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

2And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 10 Apr, 2006 04:54 pm
Anyone who has to kill a human in the name of their God believes in a false and evil religion.

If God is a God of love he would never ask or expect anyone to kill for him.
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 11:45 pm
Read this hadith:

The Prophet added: "Whoever among you fulfills his pledge will be rewarded by Allah. And whoever indulges in any one of them (except the ascription of partners to Allah) and gets the punishment in this world, that punishment will be an expiation for that sin. And if one indulges in any of them, and Allah conceals his sin, it is up to Him to forgive or punish him (in the Hereafter)." - Volume 1, Book 2, Number 17: Narrated 'Ubada bin As-Samit.

Her sin is forgiven and based on her previous deeds she will be rewarded so stop judging by what you do not know.

Additionally, this hadeeth puts your cruetly claims to rest.

Narrated Abu Dhar:

Allah's Apostle said, "Someone came to me from my Lord and gave me the news (or good tidings) that if any of my followers dies worshipping none (in any way) along with Allah, he will enter Paradise." I asked, "Even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse (adultery) and theft?" He replied, "Even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse (adultery) and theft."
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yitwail
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 04:31 am
Raul-7 wrote:

And if one indulges in any of them, and Allah conceals his sin, it is up to Him to forgive or punish him (in the Hereafter).


doesn't that contradict your second hadith? or does the second hadith only apply to those who die as a result of punishment?
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 02:39 pm
yitwail wrote:
Raul-7 wrote:

And if one indulges in any of them, and Allah conceals his sin, it is up to Him to forgive or punish him (in the Hereafter).


doesn't that contradict your second hadith? or does the second hadith only apply to those who die as a result of punishment?


The second hadith is not as specific, because I believe every Muslim (anyone can be a Muslim, whether Christian, Jew, etc.) will go to heaven but depending on the severity of his sins (adultery and theft being one of the biggest sins) he will first enter hell for a short time; but then will enter paradise.

This should clarify it for you.

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "Whoever said "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and has in his heart good (faith) equal to the weight of a barley grain will be taken out of Hell. And whoever said: "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and has in his heart good (faith) equal to the weight of a wheat grain will be taken out of Hell. And whoever said, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and has in his heart good (faith) equal to the weight of an atom will be taken out of Hell."
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yitwail
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 05:19 pm
Raul, that's good info; thanks. i think the closest Christian equivalent is the concept of Purgatory, and the passage that *might* support this notion is Matthew 13:32:

Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

(American Standard Version)

in some translations, such as King James, the word "world" is used in place of "age", which dovetails better with the idea of sins forgiven after death, but "age" seems to be the correct translation. finally, i'm no more a Bible scholar than a Quran scholar, so perhaps someone else can elucidate this further.
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 09:30 pm
Is the Holy Spirit referring the Angel Gabriel or Jesus (PBUH)? Because in the Quran the Holy Spirit refers to Gabriel PBUH.
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yitwail
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 09:52 pm
no, Holy Spirit is neither. i'm pretty sure that the Son of Man is Jesus, but different Christian sects have different interpretations of the Holy Spirit, i believe. again, we need help from Christians in this forum. in case you haven't guessed, i'm not Christian myself.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 08:17 am
muslim1 wrote:
dalahow2,



Indeed, Islam is the only way of life that gives women their full rights.


And Allah knows best.



The fantasy world grows and grows.

Most religions are characterised by some form of oppression. With islam you can add violence and terror. It's monstrous cancer.
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xingu
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 12:36 pm
dalahow2 wrote:
Indeed, Islam is the only way of life that gives women their full rights.


Then why do you tell them how to dress? Why do you make them wear hijabs and hide their face?

Why won't you let women drive in Saudi Arabia? Why can't they walk down the street without a male escort? Why can't they vote? All of these restrictions are based on Islamic law, or so say the religious leaders in that country.

Why is it in Afghanistan womens rights were severely restricted under the Teliban? The more conservative the Muslim belief the greater the cruelty shown women.

Why is it that Muslim women in Iraq are worried about their rights being taken away from them under shari'a? What is it about your religion that deny's women their rights.

Why are men allowed to have more than one wife but women can't have more than one husband? That's not equal.

Why is it when a girl is raped in many parts of the Muslim world and gets pregnant they can't return to their family for fear of being killed? The family says the girl has dishonored the family by being raped. Does that make sense?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 12:44 pm
I heard only the other day about a christian woman who was raped in Saudi Arabia buy a group of muslims...she is facing prosecution for having sex outside marriage.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 07:18 pm
Notice that the most important word is "group". Muslim men are cowardly animals, who only hunt in packs. They're nothing but a bunch of filthy pigs.
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muslim1
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 04:57 am
Thank you xingu for your important questions,


xingu wrote:


Then why do you tell them how to dress? Why do you make them wear hijabs and hide their face?

Because God almighty, the Creator of the electron and the super-nova, who knows everything, knows what sort of dress is suitable for the women He created. And God almighty orders women to wear hijab.


xingu wrote:

Why won't you let women drive in Saudi Arabia?

Already discussed here: http://www.able2know.com/forums/a2k-post1575515.html#1575515 (answer n°2)


xingu wrote:

Why is it in Afghanistan womens rights were severely restricted under the Teliban? The more conservative the Muslim belief the greater the cruelty shown women.

Proof? Or do you naively follow all what the mass media tells you?


xingu wrote:

Why is it that Muslim women in Iraq are worried about their rights being taken away from them under shari'a? What is it about your religion that deny's women their rights.

The women of the great Iraq are worried about their dignity being destroyed in the AbuGhrib (and other) prison. They are worried about their parents, children, brothers being massacred by the evil american and british soldiers. The women of the great Iraq struggle to end the darkness of the occupation in order to live under the lights of the Shariaa, God willing.


xingu wrote:
Why are men allowed to have more than one wife but women can't have more than one husband? That's not equal.


1. If a man has more than one wife, the parents of the children born of such marriages can easily be identified. The father as well as the mother can easily be identified. In case of a woman marrying more than one husband, only the mother of the children born of such marriages will be identified and not the father. Islam gives tremendous importance to the identification of both parents, mother and father. Psychologists tell us that children who do not know their parents, especially their father undergo severe mental trauma and disturbances. Often they have an unhappy childhood. It is for this reason that the children of prostitutes do not have a healthy childhood. If a child born of such wedlock is admitted in school, and when the mother is asked the name of the father, she would have to give two or more names! I am aware that recent advances in science have made it possible for both the mother and father to be identified with the help of genetic testing. Thus this point which was applicable for the past may not be applicable for the present.

2. Man is more polygamous by nature as compared to a woman.

3. Biologically, it is easier for a man to perform his duties as a husband despite having several wives. A woman, in a similar position, having several husbands, will not find it possible to perform her duties as a wife. A woman undergoes several psychological and behavioral changes due to different phases of the menstrual cycle.

4. A woman who has more than one husband will have several sexual partners at the same time and has a high chance of acquiring venereal or sexually transmitted diseases which can also be transmitted back to her husband even if all of them have no extra-marital sex. This is not the case in a man having more than one wife, and none of them having extra-marital sex.


The above reasons are those that one can easily identify. There are probably many more reasons why Allah, in His Infinite Wisdom, has prohibited polyandry.



And Allah knows best.
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