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WOMEN IN JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN TRADITIONS VERSUS WOMEN IN ISLAM

 
 
mesquite
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 01:22 pm
Re: ADULTERY IN ISLAM
dalahow2 wrote:
The Quran, on the other hand, never considers any woman to be the possession of any man. The Quran eloquently describes the relationship between the spouses by saying:


That is just more selective poppycock.

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4:24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/4/index.htm#24

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4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/4/index.htm#34

And then of course "don't pray if you are drunk, dirty, or have touched a woman lately. "

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4:43 O ye who believe! Draw not near unto prayer when ye are drunken, till ye know that which ye utter, nor when ye are polluted, save when journeying upon the road, till ye have bathed. And if ye be ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have touched women, and ye find not water, then go to high clean soil and rub your faces and your hands (therewith). Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/4/index.htm#43

There is plenty more on the Quran's treatment of women for those that care to know here[/u]
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:09 pm
Just heard on the tv news about an Afghan man who is to be executed for converting from Islam to Christianity.

(This is under the western imposed constitution, nothing of course to do witht he despised Taliban regime)

Did you copy that oh ye muslims? Executed for converting.

I despise your pathetic primitive backward looking repressive reactionary irrational and cruel religion. You got that?
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mesquite
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 03:18 pm
Executed for converting? Hmm, what about that "no compulsion in religion" crapola? More selectivity?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:47 am
mesquite wrote:
Executed for converting? Hmm, what about that "no compulsion in religion" crapola? More selectivity?
Its just not true. The muslims rampaged all over Arabia and further enforcing "the will of Allah"* through force of arms.

* = robbing stealing raping enslaving and generally doing what they wanted...because Mohammed told them it was ok...

Some conquered people were left alone provided they paid the Muslims tax, but generally it was convert to Islam or death for men, and enslavement for women and children.

Renouncing Islam is considered apostacy, and is punishable by death. The very worse thing a muslim can do is acknowledge the Trinity as its considered polytheism, so thats death as well and eternal damnation.
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 06:24 am
WHY ISLAM HARRASES WOMEN.....
PART I

Mesquite,

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That is just more selective poppycock.

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4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/4/index.htm#34


Good

While you have ONLY shown one way OF ISLAM, to prove to readers that ISLAM harrases women or WOMEN have nothing in ISLAM, You have not shown our audience and able2know readers about the OTHER PICTURE OF ISLAM that you have NEVER SEEN or SEEN but still pretend not.

The same verse you misquoted is written here..

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Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.


Maintainers is different from INCHARGE but because INCHARGE suits you to mean MEN are bosses over women.Read the verse and digest the meaning in your daily life.You misquoted the Verses in the holy Quraan to suit the way you want so that YOU CRITICIZE THE QURAAN AND ISLAM But that would NEVER help.This is not good at all.Know that you are trying to divide opinions about ISLAM.You are trying to show ISLAM is BAD.

Again you misquoted The Holy Quraan by saying DRUNKARDS are never allowed to pray and have no right to pray.The way you did here

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4:43 O ye who believe! Draw not near unto prayer when ye are drunken, till ye know that which ye utter, nor when ye are polluted, save when journeying upon the road, till ye have bathed. And if ye be ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have touched women, and ye find not water, then go to high clean soil and rub your faces and your hands (therewith). Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/4/index.htm#43[/QUOTE]

You misquoted The quraan several times.Time and again, Let me remind you that, THAT WON'T HELP, everyone is seeing the TRUTH.While the Quraan was talking about Drunkards going drunk in the mosques, God is the one commanded that you shouldn't drink in the first place.So let the hangover goes, takes some bath, then ask for forgiveness.That is what Allah meant with that verse..Read it here

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O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say, nor when you are under an obligation to perform a bath-- unless (you are) travelling on the road-- until you have washed yourselves; and if you are sick, or on a journey, or one of you come from the privy or you have touched the women, and you cannot find water, betake yourselves to pure earth, then wipe your faces and your hands; surely Allah is Pardoning, Forgiving.


END OF PART I.

PART 11


Talking of WOMEN and equality in ISLAM....

PLEASE GIVE ME SOME FEW MINUTES AND CHECK THE FOLLOWING VERSE.This is the other picture we are talking about.

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And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful.


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And do not covet that by which Allah has made some of you excel others; men shall have the benefit of what they earn and women shall have the benefit of what they earn; and ask Allah of His grace; surely Allah knows all things.


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And (as for) the believing men and the believing women, they are guardians of each other; they enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle; (as for) these, Allah will show mercy to them; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.


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Allah has promised to the believing men and the believing women gardens, beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual abode; and best of all is Allah's goodly pleasure; that is the grand achievement.


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And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses, flog them, (giving) eighty stripes, and do not admit any evidence from them ever; and these it is that are the transgressors,


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Surely those who accuse chaste believing women, unaware (of the evil), are cursed in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.



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Bad women are for bad men and bad men are for bad women. Good women are for good men and good men are for good women


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Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women and the humble men and the humble women, and the almsgiving men and the almsgiving women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their private parts and the women who guard, and the men who remember Allah much and the women who remember-- Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward.


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And those who speak evil things of the believing men and the believing women without their having earned (it), they are guilty indeed of a false accusation and a manifest sin.


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So Allah will chastise the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women and the polytheistic men and the polytheistic women, and Allah will turn (mercifully) to the believing women, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


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That He may cause the believing men and the believing women to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow to abide therein and remove from them their evil; and that is a grand achievement with Allah



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On that day you will see the faithful men and the faithful women-- their light running before them and on their right hand-- good news for you today: gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide therein, that is the grand achievement.


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Surely (as for) the charitable men and the charitable women and (those who) set apart for Allah a goodly portion, it shall be doubled for them and they shall have a noble reward.


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O Prophet! when you divorce women, divorce them for~ their prescribed time, and calculate the number of the days prescribed, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, your Lord. Do not drive them out of their houses, nor should they themselves go forth, unless they commit an open indecency; and these are the limits of Allah, and whoever goes beyond the limits of Allah, he indeed does injustice to his own soul. You do not know that Allah may after that bring about reunion.


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My Lord! forgive me and my parents and him who enters my house believing, and the believing men and the believing women; and do not increase the unjust in aught but destruction!


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Surely (as for) those who persecute the believing men and the believing women, then do not repent, they shall have the chastisement of hell, and they shall have the chastisement of burning.



More..see the way Muslims are harrasing their women

Why muslims do harass women

and

Muslim women have no rights
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 06:46 am
from your linked website:

""Treat your women..."

I got as far as the third word. YOUR WOMEN?

The women that you own? The slave girls and the concubines? The wives and the whores? Mohammed instructs men to treat women as chattels.
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 07:08 am
Re: WHY ISLAM HARRASES WOMEN.....
^I don't need to argue with you..You are wasting other reader's time.

I am sure you are also inconveniencing many readers of able2know.


Just digest the data please..or Read here to tarnish Islam

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Talking of WOMEN and equality in ISLAM....

ISLAM has another picture..Read the QURAAN and just feel pity

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And do not covet that by which Allah has made some of you excel others; men shall have the benefit of what they earn and women shall have the benefit of what they earn; and ask Allah of His grace; surely Allah knows all things.


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And (as for) the believing men and the believing women, they are guardians of each other; they enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle; (as for) these, Allah will show mercy to them; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.


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Allah has promised to the believing men and the believing women gardens, beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual abode; and best of all is Allah's goodly pleasure; that is the grand achievement.


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And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses, flog them, (giving) eighty stripes, and do not admit any evidence from them ever; and these it is that are the transgressors,


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Surely those who accuse chaste believing women, unaware (of the evil), are cursed in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.



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Bad women are for bad men and bad men are for bad women. Good women are for good men and good men are for good women


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Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women and the humble men and the humble women, and the almsgiving men and the almsgiving women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their private parts and the women who guard, and the men who remember Allah much and the women who remember-- Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward.


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And those who speak evil things of the believing men and the believing women without their having earned (it), they are guilty indeed of a false accusation and a manifest sin.


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So Allah will chastise the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women and the polytheistic men and the polytheistic women, and Allah will turn (mercifully) to the believing women, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


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That He may cause the believing men and the believing women to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow to abide therein and remove from them their evil; and that is a grand achievement with Allah



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On that day you will see the faithful men and the faithful women-- their light running before them and on their right hand-- good news for you today: gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide therein, that is the grand achievement.


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Surely (as for) the charitable men and the charitable women and (those who) set apart for Allah a goodly portion, it shall be doubled for them and they shall have a noble reward.


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O Prophet! when you divorce women, divorce them for~ their prescribed time, and calculate the number of the days prescribed, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, your Lord. Do not drive them out of their houses, nor should they themselves go forth, unless they commit an open indecency; and these are the limits of Allah, and whoever goes beyond the limits of Allah, he indeed does injustice to his own soul. You do not know that Allah may after that bring about reunion.


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My Lord! forgive me and my parents and him who enters my house believing, and the believing men and the believing women; and do not increase the unjust in aught but destruction!


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Surely (as for) those who persecute the believing men and the believing women, then do not repent, they shall have the chastisement of hell, and they shall have the chastisement of burning.



More..see the way Muslims are harrasing their women

Why muslims do harass women

and

Muslim women have no rights
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mesquite
 
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Reply Wed 22 Mar, 2006 12:14 am
Re: WHY ISLAM HARRASES WOMEN.....
dalahow2 wrote:
Mesquite,

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That is just more selective poppycock.

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4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/4/index.htm#34


Good

While you have ONLY shown one way OF ISLAM, to prove to readers that ISLAM harrases women or WOMEN have nothing in ISLAM, You have not shown our audience and able2know readers about the OTHER PICTURE OF ISLAM that you have NEVER SEEN or SEEN but still pretend not.

The same verse you misquoted is written here..

Quote:
Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.


Maintainers is different from INCHARGE but because INCHARGE suits you to mean MEN are bosses over women.Read the verse and digest the meaning in your daily life.You misquoted the Verses in the holy Quraan to suit the way you want so that YOU CRITICIZE THE QURAAN AND ISLAM But that would NEVER help.This is not good at all.Know that you are trying to divide opinions about ISLAM.You are trying to show ISLAM is BAD.

I misquoted nothing. You should learn the difference between misquoting and quoting from a different translation. At least the quotations I supplied were given references. The ones you supplied did not.

dalahow2 wrote:
Again you misquoted The Holy Quraan by saying DRUNKARDS are never allowed to pray and have no right to pray.The way you did here

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4:43 O ye who believe! Draw not near unto prayer when ye are drunken, till ye know that which ye utter, nor when ye are polluted, save when journeying upon the road, till ye have bathed. And if ye be ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have touched women, and ye find not water, then go to high clean soil and rub your faces and your hands (therewith). Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/4/index.htm#43

You misquoted The quraan several times.Time and again, Let me remind you that, THAT WON'T HELP, everyone is seeing the TRUTH.While the Quraan was talking about Drunkards going drunk in the mosques, God is the one commanded that you shouldn't drink in the first place.So let the hangover goes, takes some bath, then ask for forgiveness.That is what Allah meant with that verse..Read it here

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O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say, nor when you are under an obligation to perform a bath-- unless (you are) travelling on the road-- until you have washed yourselves; and if you are sick, or on a journey, or one of you come from the privy or you have touched the women, and you cannot find water, betake yourselves to pure earth, then wipe your faces and your hands; surely Allah is Pardoning, Forgiving.


What are you talking about? Again there is a slight difference in language translation which does not change any meaning. It is not a misquotation.

The main reason that I provided that quote was to note the requirement for cleaning after touching a woman.

Why would simply touching a woman make a man unclean for prayer?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 22 Mar, 2006 03:30 am
"You are trying to show ISLAM is BAD."

its not difficult
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Wed 22 Mar, 2006 03:38 am
Touching isn't refering to simply touching a women, but it refers to touching them in the lustful sense.
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Wed 22 Mar, 2006 03:39 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
"You are trying to show ISLAM is BAD."

its not difficult


And it's not hard to tell that you are narrow-minded and biased.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 22 Mar, 2006 03:43 am
I'm biased against harmful ideas which do real harm to people, especially children.

I am not narrow minded. I detest all such nonsense equally.
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Wed 22 Mar, 2006 08:02 am
Raul-7 wrote:
Touching isn't refering to simply touching a women, but it refers to touching them in the lustful sense.


I think this makes sense...It is not only touching a woman that makes someone to get a bath...It is about XXX.She is supposed to take bath also if at all you want to make some prayers

If others understand the quraan from another angle, then "Have your say"
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mesquite
 
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Reply Wed 22 Mar, 2006 04:48 pm
dalahow2, Raul-7,

There are three popular English translations of the Quran.

-Yussuf Ali Translation.

-Pickthall Translation.

-Shakir Translation.

The three translations of 4:43 which we have been discussing are shown below. Note that we have already seen two of them, (Pickthall's & Shakir's).

Note also that none of these translations alude to sexual intimacy as the type of contact with women that this verse applies to.

In other portions of the Quran there is no difficulty in perceiving when sexual intimacy is being reffered to.

Yusuf Ali's Translation
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O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say,- nor in a state of ceremonial impurity (Except when travelling on the road), until after washing your whole body. If ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands. For Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again.

Pickthal's Translation
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O ye who believe! Draw not near unto prayer when ye are drunken, till ye know that which ye utter, nor when ye are polluted, save when journeying upon the road, till ye have bathed. And if ye be ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have touched women, and ye find not water, then go to high clean soil and rub your faces and your hands (therewith). Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving.

Shakir's Translation
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O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say, nor when you are under an obligation to perform a bath-- unless (you are) travelling on the road-- until you have washed yourselves; and if you are sick, or on a journey, or one of you come from the privy or you have touched the women, and you cannot find water, betake yourselves to pure earth, then wipe your faces and your hands; surely Allah is Pardoning, Forgiving.

Source of translations
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2006 01:32 am
Here's the tafseer (explanation) of 'lamastum' or touching.

(Lamastum women), which was recited Lamastum and Lamastum, referring to sexual intercourse.

(Lamastum women) refers to sexual intercourse. It was reported that `Ali, Ubayy bin Ka`b, Mujahid, Tawus, Al-Hasan, `Ubayd bin `Umayr, Sa`id bin Jubayr, Ash-Sha`bi, Qatadah and Muqatil bin Hayyan said similarly.
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2006 09:34 am
enough
Raul-7 wrote:
Here's the tafseer (explanation) of 'lamastum' or touching.

(Lamastum women), which was recited Lamastum and Lamastum, referring to sexual intercourse.

(Lamastum women) refers to sexual intercourse. It was reported that `Ali, Ubayy bin Ka`b, Mujahid, Tawus, Al-Hasan, `Ubayd bin `Umayr, Sa`id bin Jubayr, Ash-Sha`bi, Qatadah and Muqatil bin Hayyan said similarly.


Mesquite....was that enough
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mesquite
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2006 05:58 pm
Re: enough
dalahow2 wrote:
Raul-7 wrote:
Here's the tafseer (explanation) of 'lamastum' or touching.

(Lamastum women), which was recited Lamastum and Lamastum, referring to sexual intercourse.

(Lamastum women) refers to sexual intercourse. It was reported that `Ali, Ubayy bin Ka`b, Mujahid, Tawus, Al-Hasan, `Ubayd bin `Umayr, Sa`id bin Jubayr, Ash-Sha`bi, Qatadah and Muqatil bin Hayyan said similarly.


Mesquite....was that enough


One thing that is certain, there is no concensus of opinion among muslims on this question. So often I hear that the miracle of the Quran is how clearly it is written. Where does that come from?

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The Unlawful Touch

An elderly Sister who visited my home recently offered to shake my hand, this being the acceptable way of greeting in America. Much to her surprise I refused, politely of course, and although stunned for a moment, she said, "You must have wudu and do not want to lose it." On another occasion a sister informed me that she was unable to pray because while she was paying for her food the cashier, who was a man, touched her hand while giving back the change, thereby causing her to lose her wudu. The examples go on and on. In considering this problem some other questions should be brought to mind: Is shaking a woman's hand when one is without wudu legal? What's the harm, it's only a handshake? As with all questions of Fiqh, we are required in Islam to submit our problem to Allah and His Messenger for judgment as stated in Ash-Shura:10. And that means turning to the Qur'an and authentic sunnah as understood by the Sahabah, the Tabi'een, and their students, and all of the As-Salaf As-Salih (righteous predecessors). What then do the scholars say about this topic?

Imam Ash-Shafa'i and Imam Abu Haneefah, as well as others, are of the opinion that a man must make wudu if he touches (lamastum) any part of a woman. They base their argument upon the Qur'anic aya "...or if you have been in contact with women..." [An-Nisa:43]. They say using one of the rules of Tafseer, that the term lamastum(contact) is defined by Allah in another ayah where He uses the same term to mean simple physical contact "...so that they could touch it with their hands..." [Al-An'am:7]. This opinion is true and absolutely valid except if there is an authentic hadeeth to say otherwise. For all the Salaf-As-Salih have stated that when one comes across an authentic hadith which they were unaware of, and it is contradictory to their ruling, the hadith must be followed and their ruling is to be disregarded.
The above sparked a discussion

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"There are three juristic views regarding the issue of touching women and breaking wudu'.

The first view is attributed to Imam As-Shafi`i, who states that touching woman breaks wudu' even if one does not have desire or lust as long as the woman he touches can arouse him. He bases his argument upon the Qur'anic verse that reads: "Or ye have touched women, and ye find not water, then go to high clean soil and rub your faces and your hands (therewith). Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving." (An-Nisa': 43)

The second view is ascribed to Imam Abu Hanifah, who maintains that touching women, even with lustful thought, does not invalidate wudu'.

The third view is held by the rest of jurists. They are of the opinion that if one touches women with lust it breaks wudu', but if it is not a lustful touch, wudu' would not be broken.
Does touching women break wudu?
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mesquite
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2006 08:55 pm
dalahow2, any thoughts on this?

The Prophet says that the majority of the inhabitants of hell are women.

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Volume 7, Book 62, Number 126:

Narrated Imran:

The Prophet said, "I looked at Paradise and saw that the majority of its residents were the poor; and I looked at the (Hell) Fire and saw that the majority of its residents were women."
Bukhari

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Volume 8, Book 76, Number 456:

Narrated 'Imran bin Husain:

The Prophet said, "I looked into Paradise and found that the majority of its dwellers were the poor people, and I looked into the (Hell) Fire and found that the majority of its dwellers were women."
Bukhari

Why should hell have mostly women? Well according to the Prophet, "They are not thankful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors done to them". Sounds kinda like textbook male chauvinism.

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Volume 7, Book 62, Number 125:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abbas:

During the lifetime of Allah's Apostle, the sun eclipsed. Allah's Apostle offered the prayer of (the) eclipse) and so did the people along with him. He performed a long Qiyam (standing posture) during which Surat-al-Baqara could have been recited; then he performed a pro-longed bowing, then raised his head and stood for a long time which was slightly less than that of the first Qiyam (and recited Qur'an). Then he performed a prolonged bowing again but the period was shorter than the period of the first bowing, then he stood up and then prostrated. Again he stood up, but this time the period of standing was less than the first standing. Then he performed a prolonged bowing but of a lesser duration than the first, then he stood up again for a long time but for a lesser duration than the first. Then he performed a prolonged bowing but of lesser duration than the first, and then he again stood up, and then prostrated and then finished his prayer. By then the sun eclipse had cleared. The Prophet then said, "The sun and the moon are two signs among the signs of Allah, and they do not eclipse because of the death or birth of someone, so when you observe the eclipse, remember Allah (offer the eclipse prayer)." They (the people) said, "O Allah's Apostle! We saw you stretching your hand to take something at this place of yours, then we saw you stepping backward." He said, "I saw Paradise (or Paradise was shown to me), and I stretched my hand to pluck a bunch (of grapes), and had I plucked it, you would have eaten of it as long as this world exists. Then I saw the (Hell) Fire, and I have never before, seen such a horrible sight as that, and I saw that the majority of its dwellers were women." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for that?" He replied, "Because of their ungratefulness." It was said. "Do they disbelieve in Allah (are they ungrateful to Allah)?" He replied, "They are not thankful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors done to them. Even if you do good to one of them all your life, when she seems some harshness from you, she will say, "I have never seen any good from you.' "
Bukhari
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 06:52 am
Thanks Mesquite, it comes as no surprise to me to learn Mohammed was the classic male chauvinist....there is a third word I could use here but wont...but I had no idea he worshipped the sun and the moon.

It does make one wonder if Muslims actually read the Koran.
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 12:37 pm
The Paradise in the feet of your Mothers...
Quote:
"God does not judge you according to your bodies and appearances, but He looks into your hearts and observes your deeds."



Quote:
mesquite wrote:
You wrote,

The Prophet says that the majority of the inhabitants of hell are women.

Quote:
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 126:


The Prophet said, "I looked at Paradise and saw that the majority of its residents were the poor; and I looked at the (Hell) Fire and saw that the majority of its residents were women." [/quote[/quote]


Thank you very much Mesquite ...You also let readers see the following details...You are ONLY SHOWING ONE SIDE....

Do u know Islam values Women and mothers..

Quote:
The Prophet Muhammad said, may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him: Your Heaven lies under the feet of your mother (Ahmad, Nasai).



Quote:
" [The man asked] 'Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?' The Prophet said, 'Your mother.' The man said. 'Who is next?' The Prophet said, 'Your mother.' The man further said, 'Who is next?' The Prophet said, 'Your mother.' The man asked for the fourth time, 'Who is next?' The Prophet said, 'Your father.' " Sahih al-Bukhari,



The Quraan and Hadith on Mothers



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1

'...what is the best type of struggle(Jihad).' He answered: 'Speaking truth before a tyrannical ruler.' " Riyadh us-Saleheen

2

"...you should show courtesy and be cordial with each other, so that nobody should consider himself superior to another nor do him harm." Riyadh-us-Saleheen.

3

"Anyone who believes in God and the Last Day (of Judgment) should not harm his neighbor.

Anyone who believes in God and the Last Day should entertain his guest generously.

And anyone who believes in God and the Last Day should say what is good or keep quiet." Sahih Al-Bukhari, --


4

"(Each one) of you should save himself from the fire by giving even half of a date (in charity). And if you do not find a half date, then (by saying) a pleasant word (to your brethren)." Sahih Bukhari, -


5

"It is better for any of you to carry a load of firewood on his own back than begging from someone else." Riyadh-Us-Saleheen, -

6

"In the name of God, I put my trust in God. O God, I seek refuge in Thee lest I stray or be led astray or cause injustice or suffer injustice or do wrong or have wrong done to me!" Fiqh-us-Sunnah, -

7

"Righteousness is good morality, and wrongdoing is that which wavers in your soul and which you dislike people finding out about." An-Nawawi's -

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"Do not turn away a poor man...even if all you can give is half a date. If you love the poor and bring them near you...God will bring you near Him on the Day of Resurrection." -

9

"Avoid cruelty and injustice...and guard yourselves against miserliness, for this has ruined nations who lived before you." Riyadh-us-Salaheen, -

10

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"Seven kinds of people will be sheltered under the shade of God on the Day of Judgment...They are: a just ruler, a young man who passed his youth in the worship and service of God...one whose heart is attached to the mosque...two people who love each other for the sake of God...a man who is invited to sin...but declines, saying 'I fear God'...one who spends his charity in secret, without making a show...and one who remembers God in solitude so that his eyes overflow." Riyadh-us-Salaheen, -

11

"(Allah) has revealed to me that you should adopt humility so that no one oppresses another." Riyadh-us-Salaheen, -

12

"It is a fine thing when a believer praises and thanks God if good comes to him, and praises God and shows endurance if smitten by affliction. The believer is rewarded for (every good action), even for the morsel he raises to his wife's mouth." Al-Tirmidhi, -

13.

"You have seen nothing like marriage for increasing the love between two people." Al-Tirmidhi,

14

"By his good character, a believer will attain the degree of one who prays during the night and fasts during the day." Abu Dawood, -

15

"He who has been a ruler over ten people will be brought shackled on the Day of Resurrection, until the justice (by which he ruled) loosens his chains or tyranny brings him to destruction." Al-Tirmidhi, -

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"Happy is the man who avoids dissension, but how fine is the man who is afflicted and shows endurance." Sunan of Abu Dawood, -

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"While a man was walking along a road, he became very thirsty and found a well. He lowered himself into the well, drank, and came out. Then [he saw] a dog protruding its tongue out with thirst. The man said: 'This dog has become exhausted from thirst in the same way as I.' He lowered himself into the well again and filled his shoe with water. He gave the dog some water to drink. He thanked God, and [his sins were] forgiven.' The Prophet was then asked: 'Is there a reward for us in our animals?' He said: 'There is a reward in every living thing.' " Fiqh-us-Sunnah,


This hadith is remarkable because a dog is a despised animal among Muslims. Showing mercy to a dog would be an exceptional activity.


18

"The first to be summoned to Paradise on the Day of Resurrection will be those who praise God in prosperity and adversity." Al-Tirmidhi,

19

"The example of a believer is like a fresh tender plant; from whichever direction the wind blows, it bends the plant. But when the wind dies down, (it) straightens up again." Fiqh-us-Sunnah,

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Quote:
"God does not judge you according to your bodies and appearances, but He looks into your hearts and observes your deeds."



21

"Sometimes I enter prayer and I intend to prolong it, but then I hear a child crying, and I shorten my prayer thinking of the distress of the child's mother." Fiqh us-Sunnah,

22

" 'I and the person who looks after an orphan and provides for him, will be in Paradise like this,' putting his index and middle fingers together." Sahih Al-Bukhari
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