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WOMEN IN JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN TRADITIONS VERSUS WOMEN IN ISLAM

 
 
roger
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 12:37 am
There was one, but you kind of have to take her word for being from Pakistan and female.

Hobbs! My favorite 'toon. Next to Eeyore, of course. NO, wait. Ahead of Eeyore, but not given to avatars.
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Treya
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 12:55 am
I love calvin and hobbes too!

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e179/princesshephzibah/hobbes3.gif


hehehe...

What do you mean not given to avatars? You don't like them as avatars? I find them quite effective for expressing my mood! LOL
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 05:59 pm
Let them all mock; at least the women of Islam know how to protect their honor and dignity - unlike those who freely persue their lust.

Ever wonder why Islamic culture happens to be the least affected by AIDS and other STDs. Did you ever take that as a sign?
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 06:08 pm
I dun'no, heph. Hobbs just isn't me, if you know what I mean.
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mystery girl
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 06:24 pm
Raul-7 wrote:
Let them all mock; at least the women of Islam know how to protect their honor and dignity - unlike those who freely persue their lust.

Ever wonder why Islamic culture happens to be the least affected by AIDS and other STDs. Did you ever take that as a sign?


You miss the point. The"women of Islam" are not "allowed" to protect their honor and dignity. Know-it-all (fallible) men have decided how best to protect it for them. Sorry, but it's no great achievement that is made by locking someone in a prison.
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Treya
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 09:53 pm
roger wrote:
I dun'no, heph. Hobbs just isn't me, if you know what I mean.


Tis ok roger. I think you are just fine as you are. Very Happy Hobbes has that playful side that I like to express once in awhile. That's just me though. Hehehe...
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Treya
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 09:58 pm
Raul-7 wrote:
Let them all mock; at least the women of Islam know how to protect their honor and dignity - unlike those who freely persue their lust.

Ever wonder why Islamic culture happens to be the least affected by AIDS and other STDs. Did you ever take that as a sign?


Who's "them all" Raul? I hope it didn't sound like I was mocking. That was certainly not my intent. Also, just wanted to let ya know... there are plenty of women here who know how to protect their honor and dignity. The only reason they aren't seen is because they usually aren't the types they want for "reality shows", billboards, and magazines. Just a thought...
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 03:19 am
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In such societies "liberation" of women has been reduced to a slogan to sell products. Such sellers of "liberation", mostly men, offer women "liberation" via smoking, alcohol, food and their natural longing for stable relationships [which have dwindled in such a society]. This commercial "liberation" comes at a great cost to women and serves to isolate them through addiction. As addicts make great consumers, the sellers of such "liberation" want to keep it that way (Kilbourne 1999).


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When such sellers of "liberation" are faced with genuine demands for gender equality, like the ERA [Equal Rights Amendment in the United States], they reject them outright and a government funded and controlled by them makes it fail [ERA failed to pass in 1982]. Such powers that be in these societies not only attack any genuine efforts towards liberation of women in their own society [as they are commercially disadvantageous to them], but also attack all other ideas presented as truly liberating to women, by other societies [to which they export their commercial culture] by labeling them, "harsh, barbaric, primitive". They do this through their control of the media, which in most cases is not only owned by them but depends on them, through their advertising dollars, for its very survival .


I think Islam is not party to all these stuff.I have NEVER the stand of the other religions

Is that why ISLAM is so much hated
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 03:42 am
ADULTERY IN ISLAM
IS ISLAM AGAINST ADULTERY ?

Yes,

Islam is against adultery and more so It is a sin in ISLAM.

Adultery is considered a sin in all religions. When you also read the other religions, The Bible decrees the death sentence for both the adulterer and the adulteress (Lev. 20:10) .

Islam also equally punishes both the adulterer and the adulteress (Quran 24:2).

However, the Quranic definition of adultery is very different from the Biblical definition.

Adultery, according to the Quran, is the involvement of a married man or a married woman in an extramarital affair.

The Bible only considers the extramarital affair of a married woman as adultery (Leviticus 20:10, Deuteronomy 22:22, Proverbs 6:20-7:27).

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"If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel" (Deut. 22:22).


Quote:
"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death" (Lev. 20:10).


General view,

If you read carefully, according to the Biblical definition, if a married man sleeps with an unmarried woman, this is not considered a crime at all. The married man who has extramarital affairs with unmarried women is not an adulterer and the unmarried women involved with him are not adulteresses.
The crime of adultery is committed only when a man, whether married or single, sleeps with a married woman. In this case the man is considered adulterer, even if he is not married, and the woman is considered adulteress.
In short, we are saying, adultery is any illicit sexual intercourse involving a married woman. The extramarital affair of a married man is not per se a crime in the Bible.

But we ask, Why is the dual moral standard?

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According to Encyclopaedia Judaica, the wife was considered to be the husband's possession and adultery constituted a violation of the husband's exclusive right to her;


the wife as the husband's possession had no such right to him. That is, if a man had sexual intercourse with a married woman, he would be violating the property of another man and, thus, he should be punished.

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To the present day in Israel, if a married man indulges in an extramarital affair with an unmarried woman, his children by that woman are considered legitimate.


But, if a married woman has an affair with another man, whether married or not married, her children by that man are not only illegitimate but they are considered bastards and are forbidden to marry any other Jews except converts and other bastards. This ban is handed down to the children's descendants for 10 generations until the taint of adultery is presumably weakened.

The Quran, on the other hand, never considers any woman to be the possession of any man. The Quran eloquently describes the relationship between the spouses by saying:

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" And among His signs is that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquillity with them and He has put love and mercy between your hearts: verily in that are signs for those who reflect" (Quran 30:21).


This is the Quranic conception of marriage: love, mercy, and tranquillity, not possession and double standards.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 11:29 pm
Being an atheist I am free to treat people as people and I don't need to know if someone has a penis before I let them drive my car or go swimming with them or have a one-on-one business meeting with them.
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 06:16 am
^^we were ONLY talking about ISLAM/CHRISTIANITY and JUDAISM not abour atheist..

I know Atheists brought themselves to the world.They built the sky and made the earth and still feeling HAPPY.They don't die..

That is good. I will treat like a fellow human being..
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 09:54 am
dalahow2 wrote:
Quote:
In such societies "liberation" of women has been reduced to a slogan to sell products. Such sellers of "liberation", mostly men, offer women "liberation" via smoking, alcohol, food and their natural longing for stable relationships [which have dwindled in such a society]. This commercial "liberation" comes at a great cost to women and serves to isolate them through addiction. As addicts make great consumers, the sellers of such "liberation" want to keep it that way (Kilbourne 1999).


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When such sellers of "liberation" are faced with genuine demands for gender equality, like the ERA [Equal Rights Amendment in the United States], they reject them outright and a government funded and controlled by them makes it fail [ERA failed to pass in 1982]. Such powers that be in these societies not only attack any genuine efforts towards liberation of women in their own society [as they are commercially disadvantageous to them], but also attack all other ideas presented as truly liberating to women, by other societies [to which they export their commercial culture] by labeling them, "harsh, barbaric, primitive". They do this through their control of the media, which in most cases is not only owned by them but depends on them, through their advertising dollars, for its very survival .


I think Islam is not party to all these stuff.I have NEVER the stand of the other religions

Is that why ISLAM is so much hated

Your attempts to justify Islam by your quoted comparisons is moronic.
It all boils down to reality.
And, in the real world, the more fanatically religious a Muslim is, the worse women are treated.
It's unfortunate but true.
Since you seem to value Koranic quotes so much. I offer some that you seem to have missed:

Sura 4:34 - "Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other."

Sahih Al Bukkhari (Part 1, Hadith No. 28): "Women are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds done them). If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking) she will say, "I have never received any good from you."

Sahih Al Bukhari (Part 7, Hadith No. 113): "The woman is like a rib; if you try to straighten her, she will break. So if you want to get benefit from her, do so while she still has some crookedness." This Hadith has been agreed upon.

"The virgin can be forced by her father to get married without being consulted." That is what Ibn Timiyya (known among the Muslims as the sheikh of Islam) stated in Ibn Timiyya, Vol. 32, p. 39. And in the same volume (pp. 29, 30), he wrote, "Even the adult virgin, her father may force her to get married. "This is in accordance with Malek Ibn Ons, Al Shafi, and Ibn Hanbals, who are among the chief Legists of Islam (specialists in Islam law).
Ibn Timiyya, incidentally, is the father of Islamic fascism. All of the Islamists from Osama the Putrefying to the Wacked Out Muslim Brotherhood to the fascist State Religion of Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism, look to Ibn Timiyya as their source.
He, of course, died in prison for his radical teachings.

But, hey, let's not dwell on silly hadiths and radical teachings. How's about that Koran?

Surah 4:31 - "all women are inferior to men."
Surah 4:38 - if a woman does not obey a man....she should be beaten with a "green stick."
Sura 4:34 - "Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them"

Ehhh... Enough.
Who cares?
All anybody wants from Islam is for Muslims to simply just stop cutting people's heads off.
Please.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 05:57 pm
dalahow2 wrote:
^^we were ONLY talking about ISLAM/CHRISTIANITY and JUDAISM not abour atheist..

I know Atheists brought themselves to the world.They built the sky and made the earth and still feeling HAPPY.They don't die..

That is good. I will treat like a fellow human being..


Yes, you were only talking about Islam/ Christianity. For some reason you seem to be justifying the poor treatment of women by your archaic misogynistic religion by comparing it with another similar archaic misogynistic religion.

Perhaps you should look to the rest of the world OUTSIDE those two narrow views?
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 09:19 am
The 21st century women in the USA
"Glass Houses". We all know the adage,

"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones."

When you hear someone say something to the effect that "Muslims don't treat their women well," then it's time to say, "Oh, and Americans do?"

Here are some statistics on spousal (or significant other) abuse, murder, and rape that men commit against their women partners, here in America, in the twenty-first century.

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IN THE UNITED STATES

MURDER .

Every day four women die in this country as a result of domestic violence, the euphemism for murders and assaults by husbands and boyfriends. That's approximately 1,400 women a year, according to the FBI. The number of women who have been murdered by their intimate partners is greater than the number of soldiers killed in the Vietnam War.

BATTERING .

Although only 572,000 reports of assault by intimates are officially reported to federal officials each year, the most conservative estimates indicate two to four million women of all races and classes are battered each year. At least 170,000 of those violent incidents are serious enough to require hospitalization, emergency room care or a doctor's attention.

SEXUAL ASSAULT .

Every year approximately 132,000 women report that they have been victims of rape or attempted rape, and more than half of them knew their attackers. It's estimated that two to six times that many women are raped, but do not report it. Every year 1.2 million women are forcibly raped by their current or former male partners, some more than once.

THE TARGETS .

Women are 10 times more likely than men to be victimized by an intimate. Young women, women who are separated, divorced or single, low- income women and African-American women are disproportionately victims of assault and rape. Domestic violence rates are five times higher among families below poverty levels, and severe spouse abuse is twice as likely to be committed by unemployed men as by those working full time.

Violent attacks on lesbians and gay men have become two to three times more common than they were prior to 1988.

IMPACT ON CHILDREN .

Violent juvenile offenders are four times more likely to have grown up in homes where they saw violence. Children who have witnessed violence at home are also five times more likely to commit or suffer violence when they become adults.

IMPACT ON HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES .

Women who are battered have more than twice the health care needs and costs than those who are never battered. Approximately 17 percent of pregnant women report having been battered, and the results include miscarriages, stillbirths and a two to four times greater likelihood of bearing a low birth weight baby. Abused women are disproportionately represented among the homeless and suicide victims. Victims of domestic violence are being denied insurance in some states because they are considered to have a "pre-existing condition."

SOURCES:
"Violence Against Women: A National Crime Victimization Survey Report", U.S. Department of Justice, Washington, D.C., January 1994.

"The National Women's Study," Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center, Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston, SC, 1992.

"Five Issues In American Health," American Medical Association, Chicago, 1991.

Bullock, Linda F. and Judith McFarlane, "The Birth Weight/Battering Connection," Journal of American Nursing, September 1989.

McFarlane, Judith, et. al., "Assessing for Abuse During Pregnancy," Journal of the American Medical Association, June 17, 1992.



Smile Smile Now if only we could compare this as being ISLAM, then you would make a reason
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 09:42 am
You will never understand it..
Moishe3rd,

Ask yourself, Why millions of western WOMEN converting to ISLAM.You think someone forced them with swords, no..See the difference..

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1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}.

The Koran Clarifies it was Adam Not Eve {Koran 7:19-25}



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2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}.

The Koran says both are an Equal Blessing {Koran 42:49}



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3. The Bible forbids women from speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}.

The Koran says women can argue with the Prophet {58:1}


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4. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as an Adulteress, not men {Matthew 5:31-32}

The Koran does Not have Biblical double standards{Koran 30:21}


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5. In The Bible, widows and sisters do not inherit Any property or wealth, only men do {Numbers 27:1-11}

The Koran abolished this male greed {Koran 4:22} and God protects all.


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6. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives {I Kings 11:3}

In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only under certain situations (with the wife's permission)and prefers you marry only one wife {Koran 4:3} The Koran gives the woman the right to choose who to marry.


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7. "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}


One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the rest of your life with the man who raped you.

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The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book 86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:"It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage)".


Would the Non-Muslim men reading this prefer the Women they know to be Christian or Muslim?

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8. The Bible also asks women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}


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9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a 100 years ago in the (US), while the Koran gave women voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.


continue with your ISLAM bashing. We are surely talking TRUTH...
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:04 am
Re: You will never understand it..
dalahow2 wrote:
Moishe3rd,

Ask yourself, Why millions of western WOMEN converting to ISLAM.You think someone forced them with swords, no..See the difference..

Quote:
1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}.

The Koran Clarifies it was Adam Not Eve {Koran 7:19-25}



Quote:
2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}.

The Koran says both are an Equal Blessing {Koran 42:49}



Quote:
3. The Bible forbids women from speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}.

The Koran says women can argue with the Prophet {58:1}


Quote:
4. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as an Adulteress, not men {Matthew 5:31-32}

The Koran does Not have Biblical double standards{Koran 30:21}


Quote:
5. In The Bible, widows and sisters do not inherit Any property or wealth, only men do {Numbers 27:1-11}

The Koran abolished this male greed {Koran 4:22} and God protects all.


Quote:
6. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives {I Kings 11:3}

In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only under certain situations (with the wife's permission)and prefers you marry only one wife {Koran 4:3} The Koran gives the woman the right to choose who to marry.


Quote:
7. "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}


One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the rest of your life with the man who raped you.

Quote:
The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book 86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:"It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage)".


Would the Non-Muslim men reading this prefer the Women they know to be Christian or Muslim?

Quote:
8. The Bible also asks women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}


Quote:
9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a 100 years ago in the (US), while the Koran gave women voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.


continue with your ISLAM bashing. We are surely talking TRUTH...

Fantasies are good. Keep it up. Convince your fellow Mohammadans of what you believe.
Just stop cutting people's heads off.
Please.
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:17 am
Smile Smile Smile
Former US model overwhelmed by Muslim pilgrimage

ARAFAT, Saudi Arabia (Reuters)

- Former US fashion model Constance Mcdonald sat at a camp in Mount Arafat in Saudi Arabia on Wednesday listening to a Muslim preacher explaining the rituals of the hajj pilgrimage.

Clad in traditional white clothes from head to toe with only her face and hands showing, she sat listening attentively to the sermon delivered in English and Arabic with an English copy of the Quran in hand. But for the Muslim convert, it is a far cry from when she used to parade on the catwalks and pose at photo shoots.

Understandably, she seemed overwhelmed by the experience of being among 2.1 million other Muslims performing the pilgrimage to Makkah.

"I just can't explain how I feel, there are mixed feelings," Mcdonald told Reuters at a complex housing 1,200 American pilgrims when asked about the hajj. "There have been several spiritually moving moments, but also it has been somewhat confusing and frustrating.

"I am finding the language and cultural differences difficult to deal with," she said, adding that this was her first trip overseas. "It is like a dream, once we're back home, I wouldn't know if it actually happened or not."
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:25 am
dalahow2 wrote:
To the present day, orthodox Jewish men in their daily morning prayer recite

"Blessed be God King of the universe that Thou has not made me a woman."...
and everyone else prays THANK GOD I'M NOT A MUSLIM
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:44 am
I can think of few people whose subtle and penetrating intellects by which i am more likely to be profoundly influenced than former fashion models.
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flushd
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 12:35 pm
Yeah...it is pretty funny that he used a fashion model (former - the gal doesn't even work anymore!) as an example of someone worth taking seriously.

That's truly grasping at straws.

Excuse me, I have to go purge now.....I have a shoot coming up. Rolling Eyes
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