Obama '08?

@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter, here is a beginning list of leftist actions taken by Hitler and the Nazis. The link below is the source. The last one I included because it points out as commonly known, that actually Hitler had a non-aggression pact with communist Stalin, which he later broke, but it demonstrates how originally they were philosophically closer than either Great Britain or the United States had ever been or ever would be. It also points out the closeness of Hitler with Mussolini and Fascism, which we already know that Mussolini's Fascism was known as the "Third Way," a combination of communism with capitalism, which abviously is not a right wing or conservative philosophy at all.

http://www2.dsu.nodak.edu/users/dmeier/Holocaust/hitler.html

"It was the Enabling Act of March 23, 1933, which in a legal way conferred dictatorial powers on Adolf Hitler. Only 94 Social Democratic votes were cast against it. The date for its abrogation (see Article 5) was never kept. Indeed, the Enabling Act is the last measure which the Reichstag passed under the republican and democratic Constitution of the Republic. It spelled its end and the beginning of National Socialist dictatorship.

In April 1933, the government abolished self-government in the German states by appointing governors responsible to the central government in Berlin. The states lost even more power in January 1934 when the Reichsrat, the upper house of the parliament, was abolished. The Reichsrat had represented the states.

In May 1933, the Nazis ordered the abolition of the independent labor unions. Both strikes and lockouts were prohibited, and a system of compulsory arbitration of labor-management disputes was established. All workers were compelled to join the German Labor Front, an agency of the Nazi Party, which was designed primarily to promote labor discipline rather than the interests of the workers.

Soon after taking power in 1933, the Nazis began a campaign directed against Germany's Jews, who numbered some 600,000, about 1 percent of the population. In April 1933, Jews were deprived of their positions in the civil service. Jews were also barred from the universities, and restrictions were imposed on Jewish physicians and lawyers. The Nazis organized a nationwide boycott of shops and other businesses owned by Jews.

Nazi Economic Policy
Nazi regimentation extended to the economic sphere, although the property and profits of the capitalists were protected. In practical terms, the word "socialist" in the name of the Nazi Party did not refer to the nationalization of the means of production but rather to requiring the economy to serve the interests of the state.
Hitler succeeded in reducing unemployment by initiating public works projects, including the construction of superhighways (autobahns), and establishing the Labor Service to provide jobs for young workers who could not find employment in the private sector. In 1936, the Four Year Plan was launched with the purpose of promoting economic self-sufficiency and of mobilizing the economy for war.

In 1941, Hitler ignored a non-aggression pact he had signed with the Soviet Union in August 1939. Several early victories after the invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941, were reversed with crushing defeats at Moscow (December 1941) and Stalingrad (winter, 1942-43). The United States entered the war in December 1941. By 1944, the Allies invaded occupied Europe at Normandy Beach on the French coast, German cities were being destroyed by bombing, and Italy, Germany's major ally under the leadership of Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini, had fallen. "

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@parados,

parados wrote:

http://able2know.org/topic/71145-1785#post-4351057
http://able2know.org/topic/71145-1784#post-4350599
http://able2know.org/topic/71145-1778#post-4345678

So okie.. You stated that Obama doesn't love the US
You stated that Obama has strong emotions about the US.
You stated Obama is trying to destroy the US.

Based on those statements and your refusal to tell us what strong emotion Obama feels toward the US, the only logical conclusion is you are clearly implying that Obama hates the US. Lacking a strong emotion that you think he has other than hate, we are left with only that conclusion.

Parados, I see no quotes at all as you claim. Here is what I found to be the closest thing to anything I expressed about Obama that you claim by following your links above:

"In conclusion, I am certainly not alone in my belief that Obama does not have the affection for America that I look for in a president. Is it hatred, no I don't think it is. I think rather he is just an extremely misguided politician that resulted from a fairly confused and varied childhood that produced many hangups and resentments in his mind about America.

I do fully own up to the fact that I have said and I do believe Obama is destroying the country by using very misguided and wrong headed policies."

Now, clearly I did not state in those sentences that Obama "hates America" or is "trying to destroy America." It should be obvious to any person, that is unless that person is purposely trying to distort what I said, that I think Obama is very misguided and that his policies are detrimental to America, and perhaps destroying America to a certain extent. I could use an analogy of termites, they don't immediately destroy a building, but slowly eat away at its structure until such point that the frame or structure becomes weak enough that it could collapse, at least parts of it at a time. Similarly, saying that Obama does not have the same affection for America as I would prefer, or that he has some hangups and bitterness about some aspects of America, that is far different than an all consuming outright hatred. These observations are of course obvious to fair minded and logical people, but to somebody like you, parados, you choose instead to distort and twist what I have said. Politics and politicians are not always extremely this or that, and so I have been careful to try to be as accurate with my statements as possible in regard to Obama. Therefore, I am going to demand of you to also be as accurate as you should be, and so when you have claimed that I said "Obama hated America," or that Obama was "trying to destroy America," I think it is only fair that you either produce those quotes that say that, or admit you are in error.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

parados, I'm surprised you went through the trouble to find them; I did the same on his statements recently, and he just ignored them.

The guy has no shame; he continuously makes statements that he cannot support with any evidence or fact. His ego get in the way of truth and facts, so the future for okie will remain stagnant.

From my clicking on his proofs or quotes, I found nothing to support his claims, ci. You can try it too if you wish. By the way, your proofs you claim, I do not recall them, please provide again if you actually had anything.

It is you and and parados that have no shame, you persist in making unfounded statements here without a shred of proof. Out of all of parados claims, he has produced one lousy one, thats all, to which I apologized for. I did in fact call for Obama to be impeached. But all this crap about all the stuff I have supposedly said about Obama hating America and trying to destroy America, I have yet to see the quotes. Kindly shut up about it unless you actually can dig something up, okay.

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@okie,

okie, They're not that far back in pages. I know posting them again will only prove your ignorance, because you do not respond to questions you have no answer for,and that's been proven enough times.

When you ask me for source documents, I provide them as soon as I see your request.

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@okie,

So, you want to lie to us okie? Do you really have such little respect for yourself that you will do that?

OK..

Fine. Be the lying little shithead that you are.

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I think Obama is one of two things, the first possibility is he is just plain dumb or ignorant in regard to the economy and what works. The second possibility is that he knows his policies will bankrupt the country, and he actually wants that to happen so that he can start over with sort of a Hugo Chavez type maneuver.

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Obama is now beginning to accelerate turning the country into a country feeding upon itself,

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So I hope people wake up and sweep Congress clean in the next 2 year cycle, so we can stop this whole disaster,

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As more and more people realize we have a president with Marxist beliefs and a dictator wannabe, it should go alot lower. It all depends upon the collective character of the country, if they want their country destroyed,

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I don't think he cares that much about us, its about him. Sorry to criticize our president, and I am not here to be dishonest, that is my honest opinion, and it is exactly how alot of other people that I know, thats how they feel as well. I care about the country, and that is why I am here to say what I honestly believe about the direction of things.

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To say again, Obama is very un American in regard to his beliefs and political initiatives and policies.

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Too many Americans have died, given all, for the sake of freedom, for a president to disrespect his own country to the extent that he seems to

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You are not a true American if you support a man that refuses to visit Normandy. Neither is Obama.

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I have never found the man to be very convincingly American in his opinions and political philosophies

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Obama is corrupt, Foxfyre, no other answer for what we have seen and will see

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To summarize, Obama is not qualified to be president, he simply lacks the experience and the correct philosophy to govern successfully. He is wrecking the country.

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I do not trust his allegiance to America's security, his honesty, or his judgement.

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their hope to solidify their power and position as heads of the government until they can eventually disband with fair elections. This is their pattern. Whether Obama will be able to accomplish all of that is doubtful, but that is his ultimate goal in my opinion.

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The reality is that Obama and the political philosophy he espouses has a horrible track record in history, and will only reap more havoc in this country if it is not defeated

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Unfortunately, Obama and the Democrats are now engaged in usurping our rights and robbing us, to give it to their voters. That is as un American as you can be, and is totally counter to the principles the country was founded upon.

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The man should be impeached, and the sooner the better for the sake of the country.

Just so you know okie. "destry" means the same thing as ruin, wreck and a lot of the other words you used. Playing semantics by pretending "destroy" has no synonyms shows how dishonest you are okie.

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By the way, you called for impeaching Obama on at least 8 different ocassions and yet you DENIED that. You are nothing but a dishonest **** that has no decency okie.

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It seems strange because Obama does not fit the mold of past presidents. Instead of loving this country, he doesn't.

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could be a whole lot more optimistic about the country if we had some adults in Washington that actually loved the country,

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They are virtual traitors to this country, the country that I thought every citizen should love and honor, but sadly they do not.

So, you want to argue that you think a traitor doesn't hate his country okie? You have already argued that you don't think Marxists hate America and yet your arguments about Marxists would seem to say the opposite.

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I have been careful to try to be as accurate with my statements as possible in regard to Obama.

Right.. Of course you have...

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Is he a mental case, or what?

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He cares not a whit about us.

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I think Obama is every bit the extremist that he didn't tell us he was.

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The man is self delusional, not well connected to reality. And an incompetent.

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Obama is an extremist.

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Obama is clearly an extreme leftist with Marxist sympathies

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The man is not reasonable, he has no experience, and no real qualifications for the job.

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There is little doubt that Obama is clearly a radical,

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I do not trust his allegiance to America's security, his honesty, or his judgement.

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I believe Obama is corrupt, at least very very dishonest

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To summarize, Obama is not qualified to be president,

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@okie,

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Now, clearly I did not state in those sentences that Obama "hates America" or is "trying to destroy America." It should be obvious to any person, that is unless that person is purposely trying to distort what I said, that I think Obama is very misguided and that his policies are detrimental to America, and perhaps destroying America to a certain extent.

Are you really this much of an idiot okie? You didn't say Obama is destroyingAmerica but you think he is perhaps destroying America?

You are so full of **** you can't even see what you write okie or how your own words prove you are lying to us.

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@parados,

You are mad because I do not support or think this president is good for the country. I have admitted to the fact that I called for the impeachment of Obama. I have also recently told ican that we as Republicans would probably be better served to win Congress back and concentrate on blocking Obama's really bad initiatives, then winning the presidency in 2 years. I apologized for claiming I had not said that. As to all the other claims of yours, a good example is you claim I said Obama hates America. I have made a number of statements, but they all involve an attempt to explain my opinion that he does not have the same affection and that he doesn't love America as I think he should, however, you persist in trying to distort what I have said in that regard.

Now a little soapboxing if you would allow me:
In general, yes I have made a number of statements about Obama in an attempt to wake people up to what I believe is a need to make a big change in coming elections. Let us be honest here, some of Obama's friends and heros are Marxists, former terrorists, and so forth, so whether you agree or not, there are tens of millions of Americans that are informed as I am and they will mostly vote as I will in this coming election. You do not have to agree, you can be angry, go ahead, this is America. I can tell you this, however, when I heard Marxist sympathizer and Obama hero, Jeremiah Wright, rant about the country that I love, a country I put my life on the line for, and a country that many in my family love and respect, that made me angry, and I am not going to sugarcoat my opinions about President Obama. I do not hate Obama, I hate nobody, but I am going to exercise my right, because I earned it, to criticize and oppose a president that I think is detrimental to the country.

With all of that said, I am also a religious person, and I do not believe anything happens in this world or in this country without God's permission, and I also believe a man like Obama is capable of changing his opinions and beliefs as well. The job of president is an awesome job, and there is no doubt in my mind that he feels the strain. I would defend the president with every ounce of my strength if necessary. He is the president of all of us here in this country. Now, could you have said the same about President Bush, parados?

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@okie,

I consider you a dangerous demagogue of the rightist party. You don't try to win by intellectual debate, but use hate in your attempts to destroy this president - much of it based on your own imagination.

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@okie,

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Let us be honest here, some of Obama's friends and heros are Marxists, former terrorists, and so forth,

While we're on the subject of "honesty", Okie, which really ain't your long suit; Bush and most of his administration were/are terrorists, war criminals, felons.

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Now, could you have said the same about President Bush,

You don't support felons and war criminals. That's part of being honest, Okie. That's part of personal responsibility, which is something you talk of being high on. That's part of being a moral person, something that you also talk of being high on.

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@okie,

I see okie. So you are going to continue to lie..

You won't answer my question as to what strong emotion Obama has toward the US.

But let's look at some of your statements.

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He is wrecking the country.

You claim that doesn't mean he is "destroying" the country. So which meaning of "wreck" are you using okie? Please give us a meaning that isn't the same thing as "destroy".

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As more and more people realize we have a president with Marxist beliefs and a dictator wannabe, it should go alot lower. It all depends upon the collective character of the country, if they want their country destroyed,

For that matter okie, explain how the country can be destroyed if you aren't saying the country is being destroyed by Obama being a Marxist and a dictator wannabe.

Here's one for you okie. An easy question since you won't answer my other one.
If Marxists take over, install a dictator and turn the US into a socialist country will the US be destroyed?

A simple yes or no is all it takes to answer it okie.

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With all of that said, I am also a religious person, and I do not believe anything happens in this world or in this country without God's permission

I see. So you think God is the one making you lie? I doubt that is the truth okie. It's you that is lying. No one is making you do it other than your own warped personality.

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I would defend the president with every ounce of my strength if necessary. He is the president of all of us here in this country. Now, could you have said the same about President Bush, parados?

LOL.. I posted quotes of you attacking Obama. Is this what you call "defending the president?"

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Is this man really our president? I have to pinch myself, is this really happening. Bizarre to say the least, and most reasonable people would be looking for a way to impeach him as soon as possible to avoid the worst.

I never once said Bush was a radical or a Marxist or extremist or unpatriotic and I never once said he didn't love his country. But you have accused Obama of all those things. Your defense of the President is just weird okie. Either that or you are lying to us and yourself.

Face it okie. You have no principles. You have no honesty. You have no decency. You are a lying sack of **** that is willing to lie about anything to promote your political ideology. You even are willing to lie about what you have said and deny the meanings of what you said.

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I have made a number of statements, but they all involve an attempt to explain my opinion that he does not have the same affection and that he doesn't love America as I think he should, however, you persist in trying to distort what I have said in that regard.

But you still haven't told us what the distortion is okie. You can clearly show I am distorting it if you tell us what strong emotion Obama has for his country that isn't hate and isn't love. (You stated he had strong feelings for his country.) I have asked you repeatedly. Rather than clearing up my misconception by telling us the emotion, you avoid the question. That leaves me to belief you have nothing to tell us about the emotion because you clearly were talking about hate when you said Obama doesn't love his country. Which means you are dishonest and unprincipled okie. You are willing to tell a lie and keep on with the lie long after it has been exposed. You are like a 3 year old in that respect.

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@parados,

parados, I like the description you used to identify okie, "warped personality." It describes him to a "t;' tortured opinions.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

... I also believe a man like Obama is capable of changing his opinions and beliefs as well. The job of president is an awesome job, and there is no doubt in my mind that he feels the strain. I would defend the president with every ounce of my strength if necessary. He is the president of all of us here in this country. Now, could you have said the same about President Bush, parados?

I think Obama has provided a plethora of evidence that he is either mentally deranged, incompetent, or a fraud.

PRESIDENT BARACH OBAMA HAS UNLAWFULLY:

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http://www.altavista.com/web/results?fr=altavista&itag=ody&q=REASONS+FOR+IMPEACHING+BARACK+OBAMA+&kgs=0&kls=0
http://www.amorian.org/2009/09/06/the-big-list-of-reasons-to-impeach-barack-obama/

(1) taken private property from those persons and from those organizations who have lawfully earned it, and given it to those persons and organizations who have not lawfully earned it.

(2) exercised the authority of his office to take private property for public use in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which guarantees to the People that “private property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation,” and without “due process of law.”

(3) interfered with the management of private companies for the purpose of achieving government control of them, in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

(4) interfered with the economic rights of the people by imposing unreasonable impairments in the fulfillment of their intended contractual obligations, and their ability to enter into such contracts.

(5) attempted to change our fundamental economic system from one governed by the rule of law to one governed by presidential dictate.

(6) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that is not authorized by any power of Congress enumerated in the Constitution, not even by a very expansive reading of the power to regulate commerce among the several states.

(7) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that violates the Tenth Amendment by requiring state governments to force their citizens to purchase medical insurance they do not want to purchase.

(8) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that violates the Ninth Amendment by forcing state governments to force their citizens to be denied rights that are retained by the people.

(9) used public money to purchase private companies.

(10) given our public money to a foreign state to finance their state-run oil company while refusing to allow us to develop our own oil resources.

(11) violated the balance of powers among the Congress, the Judiciary, and the Presidency by appointing, without congressional approval, so called Czars with far reaching powers who are accountable to no one but himself.

(12) funded his election campaign with foreign contributions.

(13) permitted the justice department to implement a policy to not prosecute any civil rights or voting rights violations if perpetrated by a black or blacks against a white or whites.

I do believe that anything that humans cause to happen in this world or in this country occurs without God's permission. God has specified our rules of conduct, but we are not prohibited from breaking those rules and being punished for the consequences of our actions.

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@JTT,

Rightist liberals! Leftist conservatives! Leftist middlemen! Inside out liberals! Upside down conservatives!

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@JPB,

Hey, how did the Divine Mr. M. for Massagatto come to be known as possum?

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@okie,

Then there was Barbara Bush who flunked out of college and called Geraldine Ferrarro a bitch.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Michelle and Carla seem to like each other. Perhaps, someone is taking advantage of both women.

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@old europe,

So, Barbara Bush made the underprivileged comment! She would! She ran a clique while in prep school and treated other girls shabbily. I believe the word that best describes her is snob.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Then there was Barbara Bush who flunked out of college and called Geraldine Ferrarro a bitch.

Is there something anout the lack of a college degree that renders one unable to detect a bitch ?

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@georgeob1,

ha ha ha...

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IMPEACH THEN REMOVE BHO UTILIZING REQUIRED VOTES OF SOME OF THE REMAINING DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS

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http://patriotupdate.com/exclusives/read/215/New-Congress-Will-Consider-Impeachment
New Congress Will Consider Impeachment

By: Floyd Brown

The new Congress elected in November will surprise everyone. They will seriously consider impeaching Barack Obama.

Growing under the radar of the mainstream media is a movement that is gathering momentum.

Over one million citizens have signed petitions calling on the US Congress to impeach Barack Hussein Obama. Some of the soon to be elected new members of Congress are amongst those who have signed up, and they are not about to be cowered by establishment Republicans scared silly of the issue.

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Ultimately it comes down to a commonly shared belief amongst Tea Party activists that Barack Obama is systematically trying to hurt America. Obama, the argument goes, is not an incompetent boob in over his head. Nor is he is not some well-meaning community organizer who has seen his plans go astray.

Barack Obama is a dishonest, manipulative liar who actually is pursuing an agenda that he hopes will take America off the international leadership stage. He wants America to fail so that the vision of Internationalist socialists can be realized. America is hated by the elite intellectuals of the world because we have been the single biggest roadblock to their plans to establish a one world governing system with them in charge.

Americans has consistently rejected socialism. Whether it is Hillarycare or Obamacare, Americans are speaking with a loud clear voice against socialism.

The left hates America because of our belief in God, our belief in rugged individualism, our belief in private property and our belief in the right to Keep and Bear Arms.

It is only through impeachment that the new Congress can send Barack Obama a clear and unambiguous message that he does not have carte blanche to run roughshod over America.

Impeachment is the political tool given by the founders to correct abuse by a President. Impeachment is often misunderstood because of confusion about what exactly constitutes an impeachable offense.

Former-President Gerald Ford, while serving in the House of Representatives, said an impeachable offense was, “whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.”

Article I, Section 4 of the Constitution reads: “The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”

The key phrase here is "high crimes and misdemeanors,” a concept in English Common Law that was well-known to our Founding Fathers but is grossly misunderstood in this day and age.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" essentially means bad behavior.

Here's a passage from C-Span.org which succinctly and beautifully summarizes the historical significance surrounding the inclusion of the term "high crimes and misdemeanors" in the Constitution:

“’High crimes and misdemeanors’ entered the text of the Constitution due to George Mason and James Madison. Mason had argued that the reasons given for impeachment - treason and bribery - were not enough. He worried that other "great and dangerous offenses" might not be covered... so Mason then proposed ‘high crimes and misdemeanors,’ a phrase well-known in English common law. In 18th century language, a ‘misdemeanor’ meant ‘mis-demeanor,’ or bad behavior."

In other words, "high crimes and misdemeanors" does not refer to a criminal act (as some would lead you to believe) and our Founding Fathers fully intended to allow for the removal of the President for actions which are: gross incompetence, gross negligence or outright distasteful.

And for those who mistakenly hold the illusion that impeaching Barack Obama would be a simple matter of "playing politics," the Founders fully intended that the impeachment of a sitting President be a political act.

The Founding Fathers deliberately put impeachment into the hands of the legislative branch rather than the judicial branch, thus transforming it from strictly a matter of legal definition to a matter of political judgment.

The Obama Administration qualifies as the poster-child for bad behavior.

Obama and those around him are ravaging this great country and adding a sorry chapter to a noble history.

Impeachment, as written in the Constitution, was tailor-made for Barack Hussein Obama and our Founders placed it in our Constitution for such a time as this.

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