Obama '08?

@ican711nm,

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Barack Obama is a dishonest, manipulative liar who actually is pursuing an agenda that he hopes will take America off the international leadership stage. He wants America to fail so that the vision of Internationalist socialists can be realized. America is hated by the elite intellectuals of the world because we have been the single biggest roadblock to their plans to establish a one world governing system with them in charge.

Ah, yes....
So okie agreed with ican about impeachment. Ican posts that the reason to impeach Obama is because he is part of a group of elite intellectuals that hates American. But we are to believe that okie never intended anyone to think he meant Obama hated America when he said Obama doesn't love America?

I'm sorry okie. The fact that you hang out with ican and agree with him is the same level of evidence that you use when you claim Obama is a follower of Alinsky and Wright. In fact, I can provide MORE evidence of you agreeing with ican than you can of Obama agreeing with Alinsky or Wright.

So, you are clearly without principles okie. You are the lying piece of dung I have claimed you are.

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@parados,

That's too much common sense for okie to grasp.

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@parados,

THE FOLLOWING IS A PORTION OF THE EVIDENCE (refer to links) THAT PRESIDENT BARACH OBAMA HAS COMMITTED HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS AND MUST BE IMPEACHED AND REMOVED:

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http://www.altavista.com/web/results?fr=altavista&itag=ody&q=REASONS+FOR+IMPEACHING+BARACK+OBAMA+&kgs=0&kls=0
http://www.amorian.org/2009/09/06/the-big-list-of-reasons-to-impeach-barack-obama/
(1) taken private property from those persons and from those organizations who have lawfully earned it, and given it to those persons and organizations who have not lawfully earned it.

(2) exercised the authority of his office to take private property for public use in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which guarantees to the People that “private property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation,” and without “due process of law.”

(3) interfered with the management of private companies for the purpose of achieving government control of them, in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

(4) interfered with the economic rights of the people by imposing unreasonable impairments in the fulfillment of their intended contractual obligations, and their ability to enter into such contracts.

(5) attempted to change our fundamental economic system from one governed by the rule of law to one governed by presidential dictate.

(6) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that is not authorized by any power of Congress enumerated in the Constitution, not even by a very expansive reading of the power to regulate commerce among the several states.

(7) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that violates the Tenth Amendment by requiring state governments to force their citizens to purchase medical insurance they do not want to purchase.

(8) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that violates the Ninth Amendment by forcing state governments to force their citizens to be denied rights that are retained by the people.

(9) used public money to purchase private companies.

(10) given our public money to a foreign state to finance their state-run oil company while refusing to allow us to develop our own oil resources.

(11) violated the balance of powers among the Congress, the Judiciary, and the Presidency by appointing, without congressional approval, so called Czars with far reaching powers who are accountable to no one but himself.

(12) funded his election campaign with foreign contributions.

(13) permitted the justice department to implement a policy to not prosecute any civil rights or voting rights violations if perpetrated by a black or blacks against a white or whites.

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@ican711nm,

Ican. Please tell us what private property was taken in violation fo the 5th amendment.

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@ican711nm,

Most of those things were done by every president after WWII. The one thing that I bothered to read in your boring list was unique was done after Congress presented him with something to sign, which, does not make it illegal.

You need a hobby. Have you ever tried Parcheesi?

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Ah, yes....
So okie agreed with ican about impeachment. Ican posts that the reason to impeach Obama is because he is part of a group of elite intellectuals that hates American. But we are to believe that okie never intended anyone to think he meant Obama hated America when he said Obama doesn't love America?

I'm sorry okie. The fact that you hang out with ican and agree with him is the same level of evidence that you use when you claim Obama is a follower of Alinsky and Wright. In fact, I can provide MORE evidence of you agreeing with ican than you can of Obama agreeing with Alinsky or Wright.

So, you are clearly without principles okie. You are the lying piece of dung I have claimed you are.

Nonsense as usual, and made up stuff or lies. Parados uses the tactic of falsely accusing others of lying, which he is guilty of doing. For example, I don't hang out with ican, I don't even know the man beyond the fact that he posts opinions here, some of which I agree with.

In contrast, Wright was a spiritual leader, a preacher of a church with the guiding philosophy being something called "Black Liberation Theology." Obama claims to have been inspired spiritually and considered Wright an important mentor of his, to the point that Obama decided to convert to Christianity in Wright's church. Also, Obama supposedly attended church regularly and listened faithfully to his admired mentor, the Jeremiah Wright.

To compare that to ican and I is ridiculous, as I don't even know ican personally, nor do I know what religion ican is, nor is it my business. I have never said I admired ican as an important mentor of mine. I do agree with him some of the time, not all of the time. I do get the impression that ican is a good decent American and a conservative.

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@okie,

Nonsense okie? It's you that posts nonsense.
When did Obama hang out with Alinsky? When did Obama even meet Alinsky?

When did I say you are are in the same room with ican? I didn't. I said you hang out with and agree with. I meant hang out in threads and agree with him. If you think I meant something else then provide evidence of me saying it. That is your standard, isn't it okie? If you can't provide an exact quote then you are wrong? Or are you dishonest and unprincipled okie? I think we can all figure out the answer to that one.

As I stated, I can post MORE evidence of you agreeing with ican, than you can of Obama agreeing with Wright or Alinsky. Agreeing with ican would mean you also think Obama hates America since your statements can't provide any other possible emotion you were referring to.

You claimed Obama doesn't love the US.
You claimed Obama has strong feelings about the US,
You have not provided a single emotion that Obama could have that is not love and Obama would have toward the US. That leads us to believe you mean hate. There is no other strong emotion possible okie. Your denial that you mean "hate" is a lie on your part. You agree with ican who clearly states Obama hates America. Please point to any of the above that are not factual. Since my statements are factual and I can provide more evidence than you can okie, that would mean my statements are true. Your denial of the truth makes you a liar, dishonest and completely with decency.

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@parados,

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When did Obama hang out with Alinsky?

Let's see Obama was born in 1961 and Alinsky died in 1972, so Alinsky might have been Obama's babysitter. There seems to be no evidence, however, that they were ever in the same place at the same time.

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@plainoldme,

But if they were at the same place at the same time, watch out, because okie will create all kinds of imaginary monsters out of it.

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@okie,

By the way okie. You have refused to answer this question as well.

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Here's one for you okie. An easy question since you won't answer my other one.
If Marxists take over, install a dictator and turn the US into a socialist country will the US be destroyed?

A simple yes or no is all it takes to answer it okie.

What does your refusal to answer my question mean okie? Does it mean you would answer yes? That was the standard you applied when you asked questions that people didn't answer. So, are you principled enough to let us think you agree that Marxists taking over and installing a dictator would destroy the US?

If you do agree with that okie, then it points out your lie. If you don't agree then it points out a different lie from you okie. So, the question is does okie have principles that he applies to everyone? Or is he a lying sack of dung that is going to try to weasel his way out of answering my question because he is dishonest and unprincipled and has no decency.

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@cicerone imposter,

okie would create imaginary monsters with both arms on the left sides of their bodies (a parody of my Father's description of right-wingers, who he says have both arms on the right side), and mouths that spill the words of Saul Alinsky and Jeremiah Wright!

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@parados,

If you knew how to think logically, or you were honest, you would be able to understand what I have written in a logical manner, but you don't. I don't honestly know if you are purposely being dishonest or if you are really that dumb, parados? You are just as much a closed book as Obama is. Perhaps you could explain yourself? Answer your own question, that would be a good start.

I have yet to read any intelligent honest post of yours that really explains what you believe about this country or about Obama. You seem to be primarily here to defend all Democrats or liberals, no matter what common sense would tell you. I learned that with our debate when I first came on here about Clinton being offered OBL by the Sudan.

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@okie,

okie, You shouldn't be talking about logic or honesty when your posts include neither. Logic is

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the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.

Most of your inference are imaginary with no evidentiary support. You have never provided credible source for your claims.

Honesty means adherence to the facts. When have you ever provided facts?

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@okie,

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I have yet to read any intelligent honest post of yours that really explains what you believe about this country or about Obama.

But, you are in no position to judge the intelligence of any written statement. As for logic and common sense, well, you are probably more familiar with the moon than with either of those.

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@cicerone imposter,

okie is here because he is a masochist and he knows he can be insulted on a daily basis. Rather, the truth about himself will be told to him on a daily basis.

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@okie,

So, when your lies become apparent you decide to accuse me of lying. That's nice okie but it only shows you have no decency or principles.

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I learned that with our debate when I first came on here about Clinton being offered OBL by the Sudan.

You mean where you couldn't provide an exact quote from Clinton but instead you interpreted the meaning? If you have any honesty and decency okie, then you would admit that I have more evidence that you think Obama hates America than you have Clinton was offered Bin Laden and refused to take him.

You claimed Obama doesn't love the US. (I will be happy to provide quotes if you deny it.)
You claimed Obama has strong feelings about the US, (I will be happy to provide quote if you deny it.)
You have not provided a single emotion that Obama could have that is not love and Obama would have toward the US. (Logic would tell you that if you could provide a strong emotion, you would because doing so would show you didn't do what I am accusing you of.)

You have no principles okie. You only have partisan BS. A principled person would apply the same standard to everyone no matter what. You however okie, get upset when the same standard is applied to you.

For example, if you disagree with the information I posted, then provide evidence for it along with your disagreement. You can take my suggestion, or you can go back to your pattern of throwing out unfounded and unwarranted insults.

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Answer your own question, that would be a good start.

You haven't answered mine okie. Are you applying a different standard to yourself than you demand of others?

You stated this about your questions earlier on this thread okie.

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Stupid questions according to you, because you are uncomfortable in answering them, you are put on the spot and challenged to openly answer the questions honestly. An open and honest person that is proud of their political beliefs should have no problem answering them.

Are you not an open and honest person okie?

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The questions I ask are immensely pertinent, and they are questions that every responsible voter should be able to answer.

okie wrote:

Questions again for any liberal. So far, none can muster the spine to answer them.

I guess you not only aren't honest, principled or decent okie but you also have no spine since you won't answer questions. I don't know why you can't live up to your own standards okie. Is it because deep down you really hate America?

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@okie,

About your agreeing with ican okie..

Let me remind you of your words

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It is more than associations, cyclops, it is a pattern of tendencies. Associations do mean things. Birds of a feather flock together, didn't you ever learn that?

It seems your association with ican DOES mean something. Shouldn't we listen to okie on what an association means?
That would mean you probably agree with ican that Obama hates the US. After all your association with ican must have meaning since you yourself said we should see that. You seem to have a tendency to agree with ican on several issues and we should look at the pattern in those tendencies, shouldn't we okie? Or do you not agree with okie?

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@parados,

I find it interesting that okie says people should be proud of the political orientation. Actually, more people follow the old adage that discussing politics and religion are dangerous.

Many intelligent, hard-working (they're from the bottom four quintiles!) people whose lives benefit society refuse to discuss politics at all.

Frankly, as I said before and was misinterpreted and heavily criticized for, most liberals do not discuss politics at work or in social situations until they are certain of the politics of the people surrounding them. Yes, this statement is a more developed version of what I previously said . . . you have to spoon feed certain members of this crowd! Conservatives are always . . . as my 87 year old father might say, "shooting off their mouths."

The issue is manners v. what okie mistakenly calls pride; discretion v. bullying, and, finally, the very real chance that the conservative will smash his car windshield or pour sugar in his gas tank or set his house on fire.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

okie is here because he is a masochist and he knows he can be insulted on a daily basis. Rather, the truth about himself will be told to him on a daily basis.

There she goes again. All decent people, including both liberal and conservative, should condemn this woman and tell her to stop the insults, or every single person here should place her on ignore.

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@parados,

Parados, I would challenge you to explain your political views here in honesty and some depth. I am curious about it, and perhaps it would help all of us understand each other better, especially me in regard to your extremely partisan posts, etc. Most honest people that are proud of their beliefs and actually have some, would jump at the chance to do it. I have done it before and would not at all shy away from doing it again. How about it?

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