cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 05:37 pm
@okie,
okie, Not everybody is superman like you who can manage all conditions without complaint. We call that being human. Being in the spotlight 24/7 can be waring on anybody - except your brain.
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okie
 
  1  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 05:38 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Yes, I think it matters, because a First Lady should show some class. I don't think anyone like Laura Bush would have ever said that for example, because she was the epitome of class. I think Michelle is okay, but I think its important for her to represent the country in a good way, which I am not sure that she does, so I think this matters if she did or did not say it.

This causes me to recall Michelle saying she was proud of her country for the first time or something like that, when Obama won the nomination. I think she harbors some bitterness about things, which also relates to what Obama himself thinks as well. Not that it matters greatly now, as I think we just need to vote in a new president 2 years from now, but this does potentially show that we have a First couple that is not all that sold on America.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 05:43 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Yes, I think it matters, because a First Lady should show some class. I don't think anyone like Laura Bush would have ever said that for example


How do you know what she says in private? The truth is, you don't. And this wasn't something Michelle Obama said in public, or in a speech; but something she said to someone else, supposedly in a private conversation.

Quote:
because she was the epitome of class.


Except for that one time she got drunk and ran someone down and kill them, I mostly agree with you. Oh, and the time during Hurricane Katrina where she said,

Quote:
What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them.


Yeah, she's the epitome of class all right.

Quote:
I think Michelle is okay, but I think its important for her to represent the country in a good way, which I am not sure that she does, so I think this matters if she did or did not say it.


I don't think it matters in the slightest. Why would it?

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 05:48 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Some class; those people harmed by Katrina were below her "class."

How bigoted and ignorant.
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old europe
 
  1  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 05:51 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Laura Bush ran a stop sign and caused a car accident that killed her friend when she was 17, but it was Bush senior's wife, Barbara Bush, who made the "underprivileged" comment.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 05:53 pm
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

Laura Bush ran a stop sign and caused a car accident that killed her friend when she was 17, but it was Bush senior's wife, Barbara Bush, who made the "underprivileged" comment.


Whoops, sorry that I got my Bushies mixed up.

Cycloptichorn
georgeob1
 
  2  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:01 pm
@okie,
I think it is an error to make judgements such as yours about second hand quotes such as that. In the first place we don't really know what was said and, equally important, we don't know the context. I can imagine that something might have been said, but without knowing the context, the atmospherics and even the manner in which it might have been expressed, we really don't know the intended meaning. Was it a wry joke said in ironic contrast to the implied rerality? Or something in between.

The apparent truth is the role does involve significant intrusions into one's private life and significant demands on one's time. If she did indeed complain, Michelle Obama wouldn't be the first President's wife to do so.
old europe
 
  1  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:02 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Hard to keep track of those dynasties, eh?
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:07 pm
Quote:
Obama lawsuits spur the Arizona economy!

Posted: 03 Sep 2010 11:59 AM PDT

OK, so maybe that’s a tad over the top, but hey this is good…

History: The State of Arizona gets tired of being North Mexico, home to an illegal alien population that amounts to about 10% of the total population of our fair state. Our Legislature passes, and Governor Brewer signs (in an act of political desperation) SB1070 which mandates that AZ police pick up illegals. The Obama DoJ sues AZ because they don’t like us picking on Democratic voters. The State has to spend hard to find money to defend the lawsuit.

Up to current: From yesterday’s AZ Republic…

Defending the state against lawsuits related to Senate Bill 1070 has cost more than $440,000 to date, and outstanding bills could easily add up to an excess of $1 million or more.
[...]
The bills, however, only cover work and charges incurred through the end of June, which doesn’t include any costs related to the U.S. Department of Justice’s suit, which was filed in July. The only three hearings in the cases so far also were held that month.

That means bills for July and August could be on par with, or even higher, than those already received, the Governor’s Office said.
[...]
Money to pay for the state’s legal costs is coming from Brewer’s legal defense fund. So far she has authorized two expenditures: one for just over $77,000 to cover bills received for work in the last 11 days of May, and the second for $363,520.25 to cover the June legal charges.

Oh my God! The Feds are going to break us! Oh no!


Or will they?

Interesting note on writing media headlines. Here’s the AZ Republic headline for the above story:

Arizona immigration law’s legal costs could top $1 million

Real grabber huh? Yep. Well, it is until you get twelve paragraphs into the story. And that would be twelve paragraphs into a fifteen paragraph story.

The fund has received more than $3.6 million in donations to date, from 41,478 donors all across the country. A single donation in the amount of $1.5 million was received in the last two weeks from Timothy Mellon of Laramie, Wyo., Brewer’s office said.

Gosh, when confronted with all the facts you’d think maybe the story should have been about how Arizona’s legal defense of SB1070 is both prepaid and will probably turn a profit.
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ican711nm
 
  -2  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:10 pm
Quote:
WAYNE MADSEN REPORT -- August 27-29, 2010 --
Obama put on notice by Democratic money moguls



Informed sources in Washington, DC have told WMR that President Obama has been personally told by a delegation of top Democratic Party financiers that unless he radically changes his economic policies they will bolt from him for another Democratic candidate in 2012. The Democratic money moguls conveyed the warning to Obama in Martha's Vineyard, where the president and his family are spending their vacation.


There are various factions within the Democratic Party that see different scenarios to bail out what many Democrats see as an administration in deep trouble with the electorate. One would have Secretary of State Hillary Clinton move up to replace Vice President Joe Biden on the 2012 ticket with Senator John Kerry becoming Secretary of State. However, WMR has been told that Clinton personally loathes Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel and may not want to be part of the 2012 president ticket playing second fiddle to Obama.


WMR has also learned that Obama's reported "severe narcissism" has a number of his cabinet officials and top Democratic fundraisers perplexed. Obama's refusal to change course because of his ego was discussed at the recent annual Bohemian Grove conclave in northern California, which brings together influential businessmen and politicians from both parties. Top U.S. business leaders openly complained about Obama's economic policies, with some stating that Obama is, for the business community, the worst president in anyone's lifetime. They also complained about White House gatekeepers like Emanuel and policy advisers Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod who are preventing access to the Oval Office.



Although such complaints could be expected from Republican businessmen, we have learned that top Democratic businessmen at the Bohemian Grove have told Jarrett, Obama's chief liaison to them, that "all she does is shake them down" for campaign contributions and that the uncertainty on the costs for Obama programs on health care and taxes has prevented the hiring of workers.


WMR has also learned that rather than change course, the White House staff, who are keenly reading anything that is critical of the president, are more interested in exacting revenge for criticism than in changing course. "The White House staff are voracious readers who are obsessed with favorable coverage," one source said.


The Obama administration's interest in a favorable public image over all other interests has a number of Democrats running for re-election privately miffed. One change many Democratic politicians and fundraisers would like to see is the replacement of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner with someone with more gravitas and a better handle on fixes for the plummeting economy.


Some senior Democrats are also livid about Emanuel's constant selling out of Democratic Party interests for narrow political objectives. WMR has been told by a reliable source that Emanuel has privately conveyed to Florida independent Senate candidate Governor Charlie Crist that the White House will quietly support him if he caucuses with Senate Democrats. Crist has apparently cut a deal with the White House that would see lukewarm White House support for Democratic candidate Kendrick Meek, who recently won the Democratic nomination.


There are dark clouds on the horizon for Obama regardless of a sudden course correction, which some Democrats do not see coming. Certain Democrats see Obama as a liability and there has been a reported understanding reached with the U.S. Attorney for northern Illinois, Patrick Fitzgerald, that in the second trial of ex-Illinois Democratic Governor Rod Blagojevich, Obama and his aides, particularly Emanuel, Jarrett, and Axelrod, will no longer enjoy protection from being called as witnesses.


The sudden dropping of federal corruption charges against Rob Blagojevich, the brother of the former governor, may be part of a deal worked out that would focus the trial more keenly on Blagojevich's dealings with Obama and his top aides, including the appointment of Obama's successor in the Senate and financial deals involving Tony Rezko, Stuart Levine, dubious property development in the north Chicago Fifth Congressional District formerly represented by Emanuel, real estate ventures involving the proposed 2016 Summer Olympics in Chicago, and Obama's mortgage with the failed Broadway Bank and his relationship with Rezko and U.S. Democratic Senate candidate Alexi Giannoulias, who was the vice president for loans at the bank at the time the mortgage loan was made.


If the scope of the investigation of corruption in Chicago expands beyond Blagojevich to the White House, we are told the word "impeachment" would begin to be on the lips of a number of Washington politicos.
okie
 
  0  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:13 pm
@ican711nm,
Humorous reading, ican. The Dems are one bunch of conflicted people right now, principally because the idealogy that they believe does not work in practice. So you have a bunch of realists in their party that know the reality of it from experience. From the article, it seems the opponents of Obama in his party might decide to let the wolves come after Obama in cases like the Blagovich corruption case, etc. Funny reading, ican.

P.S. We've always known Obama, Emmanuel, Blagovich, and other Chicago and Illinois politicians were corrupt, but their party has been protecting them, but for how long?
parados
 
  3  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:18 pm
@okie,
Well okie. I see you don't have the decency to answer my question. Your refusal would show that I am correct when I say your intent was to imply that the President hates the US.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:25 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
Informed sources in Washington, DC have told WMR


This is code for 'I made it up.' And you guys lap it up.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:27 pm
@okie,
The dems are conflicted! Jeesh, you haven't been keeping up with the news about the tea party and conservatives; talk about conflict, it's a doozy of high proportions that's not been seen in politics in the same party ever before.

It seems your brain doesn't allow you to see the problems inherent in your own party while you create problems for the liberals that doesn't exist.

One thing about the GOP congress members though; they speak with one voice, the No Party.

Nothing like a bunch of children running our country's affairs.
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okie
 
  0  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:31 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Well okie. I see you don't have the decency to answer my question. Your refusal would show that I am correct when I say your intent was to imply that the President hates the US.


What question? Please repeat it again. I frankly lost track of our argument. I am now also trying to argue the logic of the Socialist leftie Hitler to folks that want to believe the guy was a conservative of all things.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:33 pm
@okie,
You can argue until you're blue in the face, but you have never provided any evidence outside of your personal opinion.

We are waiting for your evidence that supports your opinions about Hitler's left wing practices.

okie
 
  0  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:35 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

I think it is an error to make judgements such as yours about second hand quotes such as that. In the first place we don't really know what was said and, equally important, we don't know the context. I can imagine that something might have been said, but without knowing the context, the atmospherics and even the manner in which it might have been expressed, we really don't know the intended meaning. Was it a wry joke said in ironic contrast to the implied rerality? Or something in between.

The apparent truth is the role does involve significant intrusions into one's private life and significant demands on one's time. If she did indeed complain, Michelle Obama wouldn't be the first President's wife to do so.

I agree with you. I am not going to sit around thinking this is monumental, but I just found it interesting, because I do not believe stuff like this would occur with most first ladies in the past. It bears watching, thats all.
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okie
 
  0  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You can argue until you're blue in the face, but you have never provided any evidence outside of your personal opinion.

We are waiting for your evidence that supports your opinions about Hitler's left wing practices.

I've already given you a handful. Sheesh, is your memory that short? We can keep doing this as long as needed, ci. If you have right wing practices that Hitler instituted, I would be happy to hear them, going forward with this discussion. I will get back to you on this.
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parados
 
  3  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:39 pm
@okie,
http://able2know.org/topic/71145-1785#post-4351057

http://able2know.org/topic/71145-1784#post-4350599


http://able2know.org/topic/71145-1778#post-4345678


So okie.. You stated that Obama doesn't love the US
You stated that Obama has strong emotions about the US.
You stated Obama is trying to destroy the US.

Based on those statements and your refusal to tell us what strong emotion Obama feels toward the US, the only logical conclusion is you are clearly implying that Obama hates the US. Lacking a strong emotion that you think he has other than hate, we are left with only that conclusion.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:43 pm
@parados,
parados, I'm surprised you went through the trouble to find them; I did the same on his statements recently, and he just ignored them.

The guy has no shame; he continuously makes statements that he cannot support with any evidence or fact. His ego get in the way of truth and facts, so the future for okie will remain stagnant.
 

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