Politics 101

In case you are still wondering, here is an important quote from the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness....."

Yup, kinda hard to get away from that concept, in American culture...

Yeah, ain't it somet'n that they can repeat the Declaration of Independence, but these same fundametalists want to take away the rights of women, homosexuals, and push ID into our schools as part of the science curriculum.

They always shoot themselves in the foot, and wonder why so many are throwing it back into their faces.

Being a member of a congregation means virtually nothing. Well, I guess it does to someone who only looks at things at their surface layer.

Unalienable rights

The Only Moral Basis

2. This governmental philosophy is uniquely American. The concept of Man's rights being unalienable is based solely upon the belief in their Divine origin. Lacking this belief, there is no moral basis for any claim that they are unalienable or for any claim to the great benefits flowing from this concept. God-given rights are sometimes called Natural Rights--those possessed by Man under the Laws of Nature, meaning under the laws of God's creation and therefore by gift of God. Man has no power to alienate--to dispose of, by surrender, barter or gift--his God-given rights, according to the American philosophy. This is the meaning of "unalienable."
Rights



"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness . . . " 1

The Unalienable Rights possessed by All Life Forms by the nature of their existence as encompassed through their sovereignty over their own being:

Personal Security, Personal Liberty, Private Property.

Personal Security; All Life Forms have the right to defend their existence in any way necessary and possible.

Personal Liberty; All Life Forms have the right to do whatever they choose to do with their own person and property as long as they do not directly harm the person or property of any other Life Form.

Private Property; All Life Forms have the right to sell their personal services and acquire and possess private property.


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Note the authors use of the word god in the first paragraph above. Acording to the author we have no rights without god.

Is the author mistaken? Who is the creator? God?

Are the laws of nature the laws of god?

Can the principle of unalienable rights be proven?

Does the foundation of our American government really exist?

As for me I tend to belive in god even without proof. I also belive in unalienable rights. I think it's a handy dandy idea.


See you guys later. I have some reading to do on Tea, Stamps, taxes and representaion.

Oh yea one more question......Did indians have unalienable rights??????

As to where we came from is up to scientific and religious debate. It is not relevant as to how we treat each other. The assumption is that we are equal and not belong to various classes as in the older society of aristocrat, blue blood, commoner, goys, gentiles, pagans, heathens, priests, untouchables, slaves, masters, etc.

You said it talk72000, I agree with you.

http://www.americanrevolution.com/index.htm

Good website

In answer to a post which simply states that the word 'creator' can be found in the Declaration of Independence, and another one that the concept of a creator is hard to get away from in American culture, I think your post was a little bit of kneejerk defensiveness.

snood, Mine is always a kneejerk reaction when I see some yokels stating some truths, then doing the opposite by action. It's just my personal observation that nobody has to agree to. I calls em the way I sees em.

Well, you must "sees" something that wasn't said in the posts I saw...

snood, Having gone back and read several pages back, I see you are correct. My kneejerk reactions have gotten me into foot in mouth disease, and for that I apologize.

Quite okay, C.I. If we didn't have passion for our ideas, what would we be?

The Sons of Liberty

In Boston in early summer of 1765 a group of shopkeepers and artisans who called themselves The Loyal Nine, began preparing for agitation against the Stamp Act. As that group grew, it came to be known as the Sons of Liberty. And grow it did! These were not the leading men of Boston, but rather workers and tradesmen. It was unseemly that they would be so agitated by a parliamentary act. Though their ranks did not include Samuel and John Adams, the fact may have been a result of a mutually beneficial agreement. The Adams' and other radical members of the legislature were daily in the public eye; they could not afford to be too closely associated with violence, neither could the secretive Sons of Liberty afford much public exposure. However, amongst the members were two men who could generate much public sentiment about the Act. Benjamin Edes, a printer, and John Gill of the Boston Gazette produced a steady stream of news and opinion. Within a very short time a group of some two thousand men had been organized under Ebenezer McIntosh, a South Boston shoemaker.



Sons of Liberty flag (look familar?)

This was the flag of the early colonist who had joined together in the protest against the British impositions on American economic freedom. One such protest was resistance to the Stamp Act, on October 7, 1765. A delegate from each of the nine colonies formed the "Stamp Act Congress" . They petitioned the king and parliament, the act was repealed on March 18, 1766. The flag of nine red and white stripes that represented these "Sons of Liberty" became known as the "Rebellious Stripes." On December 16, 1773, the Sons of Liberty protested the parliament's Tea Act, an action that became known as the Boston Tea Party. The colonists' believed the tax to be a violation of their legitimate economic liberty. Three and a half years after the Tea Party the thirteen colonies had come together in their decision to fight for independence and the nine stripes had grown to thirteen. The Sons of Liberty would rally under a large tree which became known as "The Liberty Tree".

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I didn't write the above, I copied it. -amigo

King George III (known as the king who lost America), was born in 1738. King George III's father, the Prince of Wales died when he was young. When George III was 22, in 1760, his grandfather, George II, died. On September 8th, 1761 he married Princess Charlotte Sophia from Mecklenburg-Strelitz, in Germany and on September 22nd, 1761, George III became the King of England. George himself was of partial German ancestry. George and Charlotte had 15 children, one of whom, George IV would be the next king.

King George III sat upon the throne of England from 1760-1820. It was on his watch that the American colonies were lost. King George III, after the French and Indian War, had large debts to pay, and thought he could extract the necessary money from the colonies. King George was incensed when the insolent American colonists objected to the taxes being levied, particularly the Stamp Act. When the Stamp Act was repealed, King George flew into a rage. King George thought the colonists should be dealt with harshly for their disobedience and insolence. Using his profound influence, he pushed through the Townshend Acts, in 1766, taxing many commodity items including tea resulting in the infamous Boston Tea Party. King George was eventually humbled as the American colonies successfully became the United States Of America. Other colonies began to rebel after America's success and King George remained embroiled in one conflict or another for many years.
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http://www.socialstudiesforkids.com/articles/ushistory/13colonies3.htm

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Monarchy-A form of rule in which there is a single head of state, a monarch, with the title of King or Queen, Emperor or Emperoress or its equivalent where the monarch holds his or her office for life.


A type of government in which political power is exercised by a single ruler under the claim of divine or hereditary right.

(I didn't write this either)

Sounds like it's time to ................

Quit Bitchin' & Start A Revolution !

No taxation without representation

"No taxation without representation" was a rallying cry of the American Revolutionary War. During the years prior to and during the Revolution, advocates of American independence decried the fact that the American colonies were required to pay taxes to London, yet they had no representatives in Parliament. Therefore, the Americans felt that they were being forced to fund a government into which they had no input.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_without_representation

King George II thought it was time to tighten his control on the colonies for several reasons:

The Indians were still enemies of England and the British settlements.

The French and Indian War had cost a lot of money. King George wanted the colonists to pay for the war through higher taxes.




King George made a law called the Proclamation of 1763 which stated the colonists could not move westward over the Appalachian Mountains. The British passed several more laws which also angered the colonists. In 1764 a law was passed which said the colonies could not print or use their own money.

Finally in 1765 the Stamp Act was passed. The tax stamps had to be put on 54 kinds of papers, including playing cards, newspapers, wills and licenses. The payments varied from one cent on a newspaper to ten dollars on a college diploma. The payments had to be made in gold or silver.

The colonists began to speak out against the new taxes. Patrick Henry from Virginia spoke the loudest. He said the British Parliament made these laws, but no colonists were in the Parliament.

In October 1765 nine colonies sent people to a meeting in New York City to talk about the Stamp Act. They made the decision that the Parliament could not tax the American colonies since they had no representation in Parliament. The phrase stated by James Otis, a Boston lawyer, "No taxation without representation" was heard throughout the colonies. The men at this meeting sent a letter asking Britain to repeal the Stamp Act. The British would not listen. Instead they placed new taxes on the colonies.

In 1767 the British passed the Townshend Act. This act placed taxes on tea, glass, paper, and paint. Many colonists refused to pay the taxes or to buy any goods made in England.

Natural Law and Natural Rights
By James A. Donald
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NATURAL LAW

Natural law and natural rights follow from the nature of man and the world. We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.


A law or body of laws that derives from nature and is believed to be binding upon human actions apart from or in conjunction with laws established by human authority.

No election without a paper trail.

That makes the only sence. If anybody f**king cared.

The roar of the masses is a giant snoaring sound.