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Rethinking Homosexuality

 
 
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 09:48 am
No, BG, being extremely wealthy has contributed to fighting anti-gay legislation.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 09:54 am
Lightwizard wrote:
No, BG, being extremely wealthy has contributed to fighting anti-gay legislation.


Hm, maybe I'm thinking more of our British Parliament, where there are claims some MPs or staff were bullied by the more important ones. I woudl have thought your friend would have been bullied by the other Republicans, but maybe your system isn't as stuffy as ours.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 09:57 am
Security Clearance Rules May Impede Gays
If Gays didn't feel the need to stay in the closet because of discrimination, there would not be a security problem.---BBB

Security Clearance Rules May Impede Gays
By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer
Tue Mar 14, 2006

The Bush administration last year quietly rewrote the rules for allowing gays and lesbians to receive national-security clearances, drawing complaints from civil rights activists.

The Bush administration said security clearances cannot be denied "solely on the basis of the sexual orientation of the individual." But it removed language saying sexual orientation "may not be used as a basis for or a disqualifying factor in determining a person's eligibility for a security clearance."

The White House sought to play down the changes, approved by President Bush in December, as an effort to ensure the security clearance rules are consistent with a 1995 executive order about access to classified information.

"The minor language change did not and was not intended to alter the way sexual orientation is treated," National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones said Tuesday. "The U.S. government policy has not changed in any way."

Jones said government lawyers made the changes for clarity.

Gay rights activists expressed concern that the new guidelines could lead to a chipping away of safeguards obtained in the 1990s for gays and lesbians seeking security-related government jobs.

Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, said Bush's rules could "open the door for broader interpretation" of rules granting security clearances for national security-related jobs.

"It is not surprising to me that this administration is continuing to roll the clock back on the most basic of protections granted by the last administration," said Solmonese, whose group advocates for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender civil rights.

Lesbian and gay advocacy groups recently found the change in an 18-page document distributed by National security adviser Stephen Hadley on Dec. 29, without public notice.

Several million civilian and military personnel who work for the U.S. government and its contractors must go through extensive reviews to determine if they've exhibited behavior that could compromise national security or make them susceptible to blackmail.

Areas of concern include drug and alcohol use, criminal activity, financial debt, foreign contacts and sexual behavior. Officials at several national security agencies were not immediately aware of the new rules or any impact.

Rules approved by President Clinton in 1997 said that sexual behavior may be a security concern if it involves a criminal offense, suggests an emotional disorder, could subject someone to coercion or shows a lack of judgment.

The regulation stated that sexual orientation "may not be used as a basis for or a disqualifying factor in determining a person's eligibility for a security clearance."

Bush removed that categorical protection, saying instead that security clearances cannot be denied "solely on the basis of the sexual orientation of the individual."

The new rules say behavior that is "strictly private, consensual and discreet" could "mitigate security concerns."

Jones said the new language was meant to ensure the U.S. security clearance guidelines are consistent with Clinton's executive order. He said the order makes clear that the U.S. government does not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation when granting access to classified information.

Steve Ralls, spokesman for the Washington-based Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, said his organization is still sorting out what the administration intended so that attorneys can provide guidance to gay and lesbian personnel on how to answer questions during government background checks.

"It looks as if lesbian and gay service members especially may face some additional roadblocks to obtaining their security clearances," said Ralls, whose group advocates on behalf of gays and lesbians in the military.

He said his organization has been getting calls from service members who don't understand the changes. "In the law, subtlety can have even unintended, major consequences. We are very concerned ?- and curious," he said.

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On the Net:

See the National Archives and Records Administration copy of the policy: http://www.archives.gov/isoo/
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:02 am
My friend is Republican because his parents were, he's an ex-Marine and you would not guess that he was gay even with fine-tuned gaydar. I was doing some lighting in a very high end linen store in Fashion Island, Newport Beach and they did not know that he was gay -- he happen to come in while I was finishing the job. After he left, the gals at the counter began their "he's hot" dialogue. The owner's wife happened to be there and let them in on the secret. You don't suppose the thought crossed their mind, "Well, there's a challenge," do you? One stated, "Yeah, all the good lookin' ones turn out to be gay." That's really not true but it isn't the first time I've heard that one.

This is after all, Disneyland country and many can sing the theme song, "It's a Gay World After All!" Laughing

(...and we won't talk about Walt's sexual orientation -- he was around children all the time and it may disillusion those with constricted naive brains).
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:06 am
HA! HA! I don't think the "more important" are going to be bullying BG anytime soon -- he's one of their benefactors (one of the top philanthropist in Orange County -- he recently helped finance the American Balley theater's "Swan Lake" on PBS and the Christopher Reeve Foundation among others).
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:07 am
Chumly wrote:
Why it is a "necessity" in "many cases"?


Chumly and Montana,

In treatment of Bi-polar cases.

Anon
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:09 am
Lightwizard wrote:
On the Oprah show about a week ago (haven't been able to locate the video on YouTube.com or any other source but will try and find it) a straight guy, very religious, showed up with a gay guy (both very good looking) he lived with in San Francisco for thirty days. He started out with all the biases -- homosexuality was not natural and was wrong according to the Bible. He actually went into a gay bar in San Francisco (not one of the low-key poshy bars) and was put-off by the nipple rings, half stripped batenders and generally wild clientele. With more connection to the gay guy he was living with and his friends, within the thirty days he was in that same bar doing a "shirts off dance" and concluded that if any of his kids turned out to be gay, he would be fully supportive of them. He had taken a 180 deg. turn. I got a kick out of Ophra who does believe gay men and women are just born that way kidding him about "not going any further."

I have know well over a thousand gay men from Hollywood to Laguna Beach over a lifetime well enough to have reached this conclusion:

Half of them are in long term relations (compare that to heterosexuals and it jibes up with the 50% divorce rate to a degree).

None of them ever committed suicide nor did any of them seem suicidal. This could be environmental -- rural or small town gays perhaps being more prone to depression.

Few of them were on anti-depressants. Not, certainly, more than my wealthy heterosexual Orange County clientele who seem to all be on Prozac.

Too many were alcoholic (the Orange County chapter of gay AA is as so large it has its own annual convention). That has a lot to do with the bar scene being a gathering place.

Many other observations and I don't want to be long winded here. I think many on this forum because I haven't bothered to hide it know I am gay. Certainly those who have known me since Abuzz and are now or have been on my E mail list. Incidentally, I had all my E mail list on a floppy and bought this new Dell laptop with no floppy disc player. PM me if you'd like to be back on my address book.


Hi Lightwizard,

Please tell me that you DO realize that the actors on Oprah, Springer's show, etc ARE actors playing a role.................you do, right?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:12 am
That's the most ridiculous misconception. I hope you realize that in this case, there are not actors playing a role. You go ahead and believe that in your little world.
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Montana
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:13 am
Anon-Voter wrote:
Chumly wrote:
Why it is a "necessity" in "many cases"?


Chumly and Montana,

In treatment of Bi-polar cases.

Anon


What I'm saying is that the majority of folks who are on these meds, shouldn't be.
I know there are extreme cases where there are no other alternatives, but those are very few considering how very many people don't need them.
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Montana
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:14 am
Real Life
I can't believe you said that Rolling Eyes
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:19 am
He's trolling. The only reason since I do not watch Oprah that I knew about the show was that Keith, another one of my oldest friends (he used to live with me) E mailed me because he was best friends with the gay guy on the show. Yes, it's all make believe -- to those who are still living in a make believe world.
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Montana
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:27 am
One of the very reasons I occationally like to watch Oprah is because she only likes to deal with facts.
The guests on her show are not actors (unless she invites an actor to her show) and anyone who can't see that, obviously doesn't watch her show.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:30 am
Oh, you didn't know. Tom Cruise was played by another actor on Oprah. Probably an acrobat! Laughing
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Montana
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:39 am
Damn! You mean that wasn't really him? Shocked Laughing
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:41 am
Very interesting direction this thread has taken...

First off, I was having a discussion with a teacher who brought up this question, if the government can legislate who can get married...can they legislate who can get 'un-married'? If they are 'trying' to save marraige (already at 50% divorce rate) why don't they just prohibit divorces? The murder rate may go up...buy hey, the suicide rate is already ridiculous.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:42 am
Good point.

(real life, you haven't [as far as I've seen] responded to a few of my questions -- would you like me to re-post them?)
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:43 am
Very good point.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:43 am
But if they prohibit divorce, wouldn't they be violating everyone's civil rights?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:44 am
Exclamation
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 10:46 am
rut ro! Shocked Did I say something wrong, sozobe?
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