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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 04:26 pm
nimh wrote:
Giuliani: He's "America's mayor" - perhaps; but far from New York's preferred mayor

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2224/bloomberggiulianimg4.jpg

Well, for some reason my image there was nuked, so lemme try that again.

Here it should appear after all / once again, via Imageshack:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4734/bloomberggiulianiqq3.jpg

And, for as long as they keep it up, here it is in the original context:

Bloomy tops Rudy in battle of the titans: Daily News poll shows overwhelming support for billionaire
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 04:38 pm
Lash wrote:
I'm proud of his stance--and proud a GOP standing for the big office had it.

And I'm proud of your pride in the one pro-choice Republican.. :wink:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
It certainly isn't going to be Romney, who isn't polling well.

I wouldnt count Romney out. I think Giuliani is unlikely to win the primaries when the pro-life militants rally against him, but I dont see McCain winning.. he's by now managed to alienate both ends of his party. Romney has been mostly under the radar so far, but he's been creeping up in the polls gradually but steadily. Plus he's got that creepy combination of smooth exterior and inane ignorance that Republicans go for. Twisted Evil

Fred Thompson, little that we know about him, would probably stand a better chance (less luggage), but if he doesnt get in I wouldnt count out Romney at all.

Cycloptichorn wrote:
I've heard rumors of a Hagel-Bloomberg ticket. If that happens, you might as well say hello to a Democratic president, b/c it would split your party right down the middle.

Unh-uh. A Bloomberg candidacy would spell trouble primarily for the Democrats. He's only a Republican in name, and the little polling that was done on a possible Presidential run, I seem to remember, showed him attracting Democrats much more than Republicans.

Lash wrote:
Only saving grace....? Same on yours.....LOL

I think the Dems' field is pretty strong actually. Muchos better than in '04...

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Ought to be interesting, no doubt. I bet Nimh is running around with a half-woody almost every day now.

Only when I imagine Lash's passionate rebuttals.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 04:44 pm
Newt is talking like he is about to enter the race. I can't see much support from those in either party.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 04:46 pm
nimh wrote:

I wouldnt count Romney out. I think Giuliani is unlikely to win the primaries when the pro-life militants rally against him, but I dont see McCain winning.. he's by now managed to alienate both ends of his party. Romney has been mostly under the radar so far, but he's been creeping up in the polls gradually but steadily. Plus he's got that creepy combination of smooth exterior and inane ignorance that Republicans go for. Twisted Evil


Mmm, I don't know. I can't get past the low numbers that an unnamed Mormon gathers. He certainly won't get the evangelical support.

Mostly, though, I agree with Josh Marshall - the guy is called Multiple-choice Mitt for a reason. His whole persona seems fake:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/014117.php

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(May 14, 2007 -- 10:15 AM EST // link)

My views don't matter much about Republican presidential candidates. But I have a question I'd like to hear people's views on. When I hear Mitt Romney talk he sounds like a complete phony. Analyzing his record I think there's a very strong case that he's a serial flipflopper and a real opportunist. But that's not what I'm talking about. His manner and voice and what he says ... everything sounds extraordinarily canned and contrived. And in a class in that respect way beyond anything John McCain or Rudy Giuliani say. Am I alone in this?


Nope. I don't think he'll ever make that 'connection' with voters. His numbers don't look bad b/c the other two options are so crappy. But that's about it.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:
I've heard rumors of a Hagel-Bloomberg ticket. If that happens, you might as well say hello to a Democratic president, b/c it would split your party right down the middle.

Unh-uh. A Bloomberg candidacy would spell trouble primarily for the Democrats. He's only a Republican in name, and the little polling that was done on a possible Presidential run, I seem to remember, showed him attracting Democrats much more than Republicans.


I'm not sure how many Dems would vote for Hagel as president regardless of Bloomberg, but I can't imagine that it would be all that many. If it were Bloomberg running for prez - that's one thing... but even that isn't really very compelling. The other Dem candidates would just remind folks that it's another Republican, so what if it's in name only? It would muddy the waters, though.

Cycloptichorn
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:40 pm
Romney speaks very well candidly. The more people hear him, the more they'll like him. McCain doesn't sound nearly as nutty as the public perception of him seems to be now either. So far, no one should be counted as out from the Republican Party.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:48 pm
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 16 May, 2007 10:31 am
Nobody here at all watch the Republicans' debate last night? Noone anything to say on it?

I didnt see it either.

I read a bunch of reports about the Republican debate though - even though most of them just recycle all the same three or four quotes. (Fox goes into most detail.)

And blithely going lazily just on what I read, I have some awards to give out..

Join me! Razz
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 10:31 am
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 10:43 am
Isn't that something? Some people in the conservative party really understands what "conservatism" is all about. Most republicans still think power is more important; like the Bush Doctrine.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 11:06 am
A few months ago, I posted about the noticeable change in the political language being used.

Conservative vs Republican.

It's getting more evident with every NewsMax email I get.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 11:09 am
ehBeth wrote:
A few months ago, I posted about the noticeable change in the political language being used.

Conservative vs Republican.

It's getting more evident with every NewsMax email I get.


Absolutely.

Remember that Conservatism by definition cannot fail, according to its' adherents; only individual people can fail Conservatism.

Might convenient, that

Cycloptichorn
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 06:01 pm
Oh-oh..

Remember this, if you clicked on it?

nimh wrote:
Talking about Giuliani - this on a note of levity:

On YouTube: Animated Ferrets vs Rudy Giuliani

What was that about? Well, about how Giuliani, as mayor, banned NYC residents from having ferrets.

He got very exercised about it too.

For a laugh, listen to the audio of Giuliani going OFF at a hapless ferret owners' spokesperson:

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OK.. now here comes the bombshell..

The Associated Press asked all the presidential candidates what pets they had.

Guess what kind of pet John McCain has?

(You cant help wondering whether he got it especially for the occasion..) Razz
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 06:20 pm
McCain has, I think, more than a dozen dogs.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 06:33 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
McCain has, I think, more than a dozen dogs.

Not quite.. but if you click the link you'll find that he does have an English springer spaniel called Sam, a mutt called Coco, turtles called Cuff and Link, a black and white cat called Oreo, three parakeets, 13 saltwater fish...

and a ferret.

I propose he bring it to the next debate .. Smile
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 06:48 pm
RealClearPolitics is a conservative site but it gathers poll data the same that other sites do. Plus, they maintain a rolling average.

See their page on the Republican presidential nomination

And then they keep a graph that tracks how their rolling average has developed over the last three months, and currently it looks like this (plus, you get the current Intrade market prices thrown in as bonus):

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8871/rcppollsrepsy2.jpg
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 01:46 am
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 09:33 am
As it happens, I agree with the conservatives Joe and Bernie are citing. Mc Cain, Giuliani, and Romney would make poor presidents. The least bad alternative I saw in this debate was Ron Paul, who happens to defend the Republican tradition of small government.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 10:03 am
Just watching quietly with an occasional ear to the ground, I think, if he declares, Fred Thompson will be the dark horse among the GOP contenders. And I would take a bet that he can look good against Hillary or Barack too.

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National conservative groups gave Thompson high marks during his Senate career, giving him better credentials in Republican primaries than McCain or Giuliani. Business groups gave him 90 to 100 point ratings, the Christian Coalition gave him a 92, the American Conservative Union gave him an 85. The National Taxpayers Union gave him an A rating. The NRA, which has problems with Giuliani, McCain and Romney, has consistently supported Thompson.

Thompson's only black marks with conservatives have been support for McCain's campaign reform bill and his refusal to sign on to the Chamber of Commerce's campaign for "tort reform." Thompson is an attorney and he refuses to support efforts to limit the ability of poor people to seek legal remedies through class action lawsuits and contingency fee lawyers. But "tort reform" is more of an issue for big business and the Wall Street Journal editorial page than movement conservatives.

Fred Thompson's campaign in Tennessee demonstrated that he does not consider conventional campaigning as a strait-jacket from which he cannot escape. If he chooses to run for president he will do it on his own terms. It is a risky strategy. If he fails he can expect the political establishment to pillory him for his deviation from orthodoxy. The "Fred is lazy" tag will come back. He may lose the nomination. But nine out of 10 of the current GOP candidates, running conventional campaigns, will lose as well.

The problem with our politics is that the people who can get elected president are the people we wouldn't want as president. If there is anybody who can upset the status quo, create a new dynamic and overcome the process it would be Fred Dalton Thompson.

SOURCE
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 10:46 am
And it remains to be seen what is , if any, the effect of the stance each candidate takes on the immigration issue which is the hot button issue again this week.

Headlines from today's Drudge Report:
Gingrich on Immigration deal: 'A sellout of every conservative principle'...
Homeland Security Sec. Chertoff on Kennedy: 'He's awesome'...
McCain: 'Important step in moving forward'...
Pelosi: 'I have serious concern'...
Tancredo: 'President so desperate for legacy,s willing to sell out American people'...
Romney 'strongly opposes'...
Mexicans Fear Immigration Plan...
http://www.drudgereport.com/
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 11:24 am
I'll concede that the principal Republican contenders appear to be a bit shopworn. However, when I consider the Democrat alternatives, I would quickly settle for any of them.
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