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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 02:42 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
Will the "rightists" (my abbreviation) still vote for whomever the Repub nominee ends up being? Probably, but you could, I say you could, see a "Take back America" third party candidate running under the flag of anti-abortion, pro-gun, bring religion back and anti-immigration.
The platform wouldn't sell and it would virtually guarantee a Democratic victory, so I doubt it.

KW, I'd say your assessment is spot on. I think the RR is going through the necessary metamorphosis to remain relevant. The United States is fed up with the far Right, so a winning position has to be closer to center. It doesn't take a leap in logic to guess that the far right is going to vote right anyway, so they are IMO, largely irrelevant beyond "get out and vote" campaigns. I mean seriously, they are preaching to the choir. :wink:
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 04:03 pm
Here are the 14 Repub candidates listed on Politics 1 as of today. There are others listed as fringe candidates.
In alphabetical order:
1) US Senator Sam Brownback (KS)
2) Former Governor Jim Gilmore (VA)
3) Former US House Speaker Newt Gingrich (GA)
4) Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giluiani (NY)
5) US Senator Chuck Hagel (NE)
6) Former Governor Mike Huckabee (AR)
7) Congressman Duncan Hunter (CA)
8) US Senator John McCain (AZ)
9) Former Governor George Pataki (NY)
10) Congressman Ron Paul (TX)
11) Former Governor Mitt Romney (MA)
12) Radio Talk Show Host Michael Savage (CA)
13) Congressman Tom Tencredo (CO)
14) Former Governor Tommy Thompson (WI)

Any problems so far?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 04:07 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
Here are the 14 Repub candidates listed on Politics 1 as of today. There are others listed as fringe candidates.
In alphabetical order:
1) US Senator Sam Brownback (KS)
2) Former Governor Jim Gilmore (VA)
3) Former US House Speaker Newt Gingrich (GA)
4) Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giluiani (NY)
5) US Senator Chuck Hagel (NE)
6) Former Governor Mike Huckabee (AR)
7) Congressman Duncan Hunter (CA)
8) US Senator John McCain (AZ)
9) Former Governor George Pataki (NY)
10) Congressman Ron Paul (TX)
11) Former Governor Mitt Romney (MA)
12) Radio Talk Show Host Michael Savage (CA)
13) Congressman Tom Tencredo (CO)
14) Former Governor Tommy Thompson (WI)

Any problems so far?


I know most of these names,but who is Michael Savage?
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 04:11 pm
I don't know, mysteryman, but he was on the list that I got from Politics 1. He is probably some idiot talk show host who happens to have a following.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 04:22 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
I see your point, Foxfyre. We are up to something like 8 or ten Republican candidates. The battle for the nomination will be the big issue in the coming months and I think that the religious right and the conservative right see themselves as being marginalized as some of the candidates move more towards the center. They are not happy about that and will nibble hard at the heels of any candidate who heads that way.
I think the battle for the Repub nomination is more fascinating than the one for the Dems.
Will the "rightists" (my abbreviation) still vote for whomever the Repub nominee ends up being? Probably, but you could, I say you could, see a "Take back America" third party candidate running under the flag of anti-abortion, pro-gun, bring religion back and anti-immigration.


Ignoring the fact that KW has mischaracterized my position again--that's a common rite these days Very Happy -- I agree that the GOP primary field is interesting though the Dem race is more interesting than usual this time. The GOP field is far more eclectic than the Dems though I think because Republicans tend to hold a more diverse assortment of views on various issues. My own Congressperson for instance votes with Nancy Peolosi more than a third of the time but to the best of my knowledge she has always been Republican.

And yeah, I think most Republicans are going to vote for the most conservative candidate whether or not that person supports everything they want rather than vote for a liberal Democrat who they know will give them very little if anything of what they want from government. Don'tyou think the same is true of most Democrats? They'll vote for the Democrat over a Republican no matter who the Democrat is?

Believe it or not, there is a strong voting block in the Religious Left too. My own denomination will have its national assembly this summer, and a whole lot of the issues to be presented will look like they belong at a Moveon.Org convention. I doubt many who support these issues will be voting Republican no matter who the candidate is.

Most elections these days are going to be decided by swing voters who are not ideologically pledged to any political party but who actually do vote on the issues themselves. Or, sigh, for the most likeable person.

The thing that could turn all this on its ear is for another Reagan or Ross Perot or similarly intriguing, attractive renegade surface and set himself (or herself) apart from the rest of the crowd on both sides. Such a person could benefit from the fact that nobody is generating much passionate loyalty on either side at this time.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 04:27 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
The thing that could turn all this on its ear is for another Reagan or Ross Perot or similarly intriguing, attractive renegade surface and set himself (or herself) apart from the rest of the crowd on both sides. Such a person could benefit from the fact that nobody is generating much passionate loyalty on either side at this time.
Bill Gates?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 04:27 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
The thing that could turn all this on its ear is for another Reagan or Ross Perot or similarly intriguing, attractive renegade surface and set himself (or herself) apart from the rest of the crowd on both sides. Such a person could benefit from the fact that nobody is generating much passionate loyalty on either side at this time.
Bill Gates?


Would you vote for Bill Gates?
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JPB
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 04:57 pm
Ok, Bill - you've just identified a second scenario that would have me voting for Hillary should she be the Dem nominee, the first being a Pat Robertson evangelical type.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 05:45 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
Here are the 14 Repub candidates listed on Politics 1 as of today. There are others listed as fringe candidates.
In alphabetical order:
1) US Senator Sam Brownback (KS)
2) Former Governor Jim Gilmore (VA)
3) Former US House Speaker Newt Gingrich (GA)
4) Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giluiani (NY)
5) US Senator Chuck Hagel (NE)
6) Former Governor Mike Huckabee (AR)
7) Congressman Duncan Hunter (CA)
8) US Senator John McCain (AZ)
9) Former Governor George Pataki (NY)
10) Congressman Ron Paul (TX)
11) Former Governor Mitt Romney (MA)
12) Radio Talk Show Host Michael Savage (CA)
13) Congressman Tom Tencredo (CO)
14) Former Governor Tommy Thompson (WI)


Johnboy loves to play games. Do yall like to play games? Here is a game. Each of us has 100 chips. We each need to to distribute those chips (bet, as it were) on the the candidates above, each of whom has been assigned a number. I haven.t figured out the rules yet, but any candidate you have chips on who withdraws will cost you those chips.

I have (1) with 10 chips; (3) with 10; (4) with 20 and (5) with 20. The rest in reserve for the moment.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 05:45 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
The thing that could turn all this on its ear is for another Reagan or Ross Perot or similarly intriguing, attractive renegade surface and set himself (or herself) apart from the rest of the crowd on both sides. Such a person could benefit from the fact that nobody is generating much passionate loyalty on either side at this time.
Bill Gates?


Would you vote for Bill Gates?
I really don't know the man's politics, so I couldn't say. I know he knows how to manage money and lead effectively... which is HUGE.I also know he's probably donated as much as any philanthropist in history. And like Ross Perot, he's among the elite few who could finance his own campaign, painlessly, and tell the special interest groups to kiss his ass. I have a hard time believing his opinion would be swayed by anything but what he determined was the best course of action for any reason. I probably would.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 05:48 pm
JPB wrote:
Ok, Bill - you've just identified a second scenario that would have me voting for Hillary should she be the Dem nominee, the first being a Pat Robertson evangelical type.
I'd talk you out of that, if I had to fly to Chicago to do it. :wink:
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 05:53 pm
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 06:02 pm
I googled something like: Republicans, President, 2008, Candidates. I got several lists. I chose one, Michael Savage happenend to be on it it. I have never heard of him.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 06:09 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
Here are the 14 Repub candidates listed on Politics 1 as of today. There are others listed as fringe candidates.
In alphabetical order:
1) US Senator Sam Brownback (KS)
2) Former Governor Jim Gilmore (VA)
3) Former US House Speaker Newt Gingrich (GA)
4) Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giluiani (NY)
5) US Senator Chuck Hagel (NE)
6) Former Governor Mike Huckabee (AR)
7) Congressman Duncan Hunter (CA)
8) US Senator John McCain (AZ)
9) Former Governor George Pataki (NY)
10) Congressman Ron Paul (TX)
11) Former Governor Mitt Romney (MA)
12) RealJohnboy, a pretty nice guy (VA)
13) Congressman Tom Tencredo (CO)
14) Former Governor Tommy Thompson (WI)

Any problems so far?


Amendment made.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 06:15 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
I googled something like: Republicans, President, 2008, Candidates. I got several lists. I chose one, Michael Savage happenend to be on it it. I have never heard of him.


He's a former professor of medical science--health, nutrition, etc.--and author turned radio talk show host. I think he probably has the third largest conservative radio audience after Limbaugh and Hannity. He is by far the most radical of anybody I listen to--he comes on mid evenings here on my favorite radio station so he's usually running in the background when I'm working into th enight. He's the one who coined the phrase "Liberalism is a mental disorder' and that is the title of one of his books. He says it as he feels it and is thoroughly politically incorrect on just about everything and probably offends just about everybody at one time or another. I agree with him about half the time, get angry with him aobut a quarter of the time, but he does seem to have a dedicated following and every now and then I learn something there.

I don't think I want him for my president though.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 06:29 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
realjohnboy wrote:
Here are the 14 Repub candidates listed on Politics 1 as of today. There are others listed as fringe candidates.
In alphabetical order:
1) US Senator Sam Brownback (KS)
2) Former Governor Jim Gilmore (VA)
3) Former US House Speaker Newt Gingrich (GA)
4) Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giluiani (NY)
5) US Senator Chuck Hagel (NE)
6) Former Governor Mike Huckabee (AR)
7) Congressman Duncan Hunter (CA)
8) US Senator John McCain (AZ)
9) Former Governor George Pataki (NY)
10) Congressman Ron Paul (TX)
11) Former Governor Mitt Romney (MA)
12) RealJohnboy, a pretty nice guy (VA)
13) Congressman Tom Tencredo (CO)
14) Former Governor Tommy Thompson (WI)

Any problems so far?


Amendment made.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 07:11 pm
If I run, I promise to never ever say, or allow anyone in my admin to say:
"I don't recall...
"I have no memory of ...
"I can't remember...
"I have no recollection of...
"I forget...
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 08:59 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Would you vote for Bill Gates?
I really don't know the man's politics, so I couldn't say. I know he knows how to manage money and lead effectively... which is HUGE.I also know he's probably donated as much as any philanthropist in history. And like Ross Perot, he's among the elite few who could finance his own campaign, painlessly

Hey - that all sounds a lot like George Soros. Can I interest you in a Soros candidature? Twisted Evil
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 09:10 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
Here are the 14 Repub candidates listed on Politics 1 as of today. There are others listed as fringe candidates.
In alphabetical order:
1) US Senator Sam Brownback (KS)
2) Former Governor Jim Gilmore (VA)
3) Former US House Speaker Newt Gingrich (GA)
4) Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giluiani (NY)
5) US Senator Chuck Hagel (NE)
6) Former Governor Mike Huckabee (AR)
7) Congressman Duncan Hunter (CA)
8) US Senator John McCain (AZ)
9) Former Governor George Pataki (NY)
10) Congressman Ron Paul (TX)
11) Former Governor Mitt Romney (MA)
13) Congressman Tom Tencredo (CO)
14) Former Governor Tommy Thompson (WI)

Any problems so far?

Newt Gingrich hasnt announced so far. Pataki not either, I dont think. And Chuck Hagel has actually announced that he wont be announcing, at least for the time being. FWIW Razz

A guy I saw listed somewhere else thats not in here is John Cox - never heard of him otherwise, but his website suggests he's somewhere to the right of Brownback and Tancredo.

Meanwhile, in the category Gingrich, Hagel, Pataki - ie, talked about but so far not running - you also have Fred Thompson now, who despite the fact that he is not running in one recent poll came in third for the Republican primary, in front of Romney.

Did you vote in my straw poll yet, btw, rjb?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 09:14 pm
nimh wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Would you vote for Bill Gates?
I really don't know the man's politics, so I couldn't say. I know he knows how to manage money and lead effectively... which is HUGE.I also know he's probably donated as much as any philanthropist in history. And like Ross Perot, he's among the elite few who could finance his own campaign, painlessly

Hey - that all sounds a lot like George Soros. Can I interest you in a Soros candidature? Twisted Evil
Laughing Eh, no. Laughing
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