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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 11:23 am
Thomas--
Global beauty. A nice thought.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 11:42 am
Thomas wrote:
I'll be travelling the Southwest and the South from April 20 to May 12 though. It's a beautiful afternoon in Munich too.


I hope, Thomas, that you will stop by Charlottesville.

The Federal Election Commission (FEC) requires candidates to report on their fundraising results and expenditures on a quarterly basis. The first reporting is due out for the quarter ending March 31st, 2007.
Senator McCain is working hard this weekend to lower expectations on how well he is doing, according to a story that came out a few hours ago by the Associated Press.
He says he started late on fundraising and he prefers presenting his message to the people more than hustling for money. Etc etc.

I've said before that there is only so much money out there. And this race will end up costing something like a billion dollars in total (can that be right?)
Mr McCain is, in my opinion, not going to be able to compete. His base of support is narrow and shallow.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 12:40 pm
Thomas wrote:
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It's possible, but I doubt it. Unlike some simplistic political quizzes, Tabarok and Cowen are sharp-eyed and intelligent observers. I'm sure they noticed that mayor Giuliani's didn't govern like a libertarian, and that there's no reason a president Giuliani would rule differently.


I'm sure you are familiar enough with the American political system as well as having a familiarity with the U.S. Constitution to know that Presidents, Governors, or Mayors do not rule
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 12:43 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
I've said before that there is only so much money out there. And this race will end up costing something like a billion dollars in total (can that be right?).


More than that, even. What I've seen is that EACH candidate who reaches the ballot on election day will need to have raised about $500 million. So that's a billion just for those two.

Unless the two are Obama and McCain, who have pledged to stick to public financing ($150 million each) if they become their respective party's candidates.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 03:15 pm
http://i12.tinypic.com/2a8lq9g.jpg
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 04:19 pm
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/varv032207a.jpg
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 04:13 am
Lash wrote:
Thomas--

Are you here? (In the states?) It is a GLORIOUS day. I literally stopped in my tracks on the way across campus and said, "My God, what a beautiful day!"


Lash...corduroy elbow-patches, meerschaum pipe in breast pocket, ivy grasping at her ankles and tentacling around her thick copy of "The Compleat Works of Jimmy Carter".

My god, what a beautiful day.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 06:22 am
You ******!
LOL
Jimmy Carter my ASS!
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 07:31 pm
Blatham: That was funny.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 10:43 am
<still muttering about Jimmy Carter...>
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 11:16 am
But Lash, I'm sure that even you will agree that he was the best President America had in the late seventies..
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 11:16 am
(that should probably have a smiley)
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 11:18 am
That was a riot, nimh.
















:wink:
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2007 04:24 am
The truth of things likely isn't far from Myerson's few paragraphs here
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More fundamentally, congressional Republicans were knocked into the minority last November because voters had sickened of their lockstep support for Bush's war. Clearly, they will be knocked a good deal further into the minority if that support continues.

So what are they doing to respond to this dire state of affairs? They're continuing their support. And they're continuing, in the Senate, to obstruct popular and overdue domestic measures such as a raise in the minimum wage, though polling confirms not just overwhelming support for that particular measure but also growing concern over the rise of economic inequality and a growing repudiation of the Republican positions on both domestic and foreign policy issues.

What gives with the Republicans? How have they -- not just in the White House but in Congress, too -- become so detached from reality?

There are, I think, four possible, partial explanations. The first is Rudy-ex-machina-- the hope that the party will nominate somebody who is not perceived to be part of their current mess and who will sweep them back into power no matter how big a hole they may now be digging for him. The second is a strategy to make it impossible for the Democrats to pass any legislation, and then run against the do-nothing Democrats.

The third is that the alternative reality conveyed by the Republican media -- Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and their ilk -- has created a Republican activist base that is genuinely not reality-based, and from which the current generation of Republican pols is disproportionately drawn. And the fourth, pertaining specifically to the inability of the administration to stop politicizing government, is that good government is just not in their DNA. Bush and Rove are no more inclined to create a government based on such impartial values as law and science than they are to set up collective farms.

Meanwhile, if you hear something go bump in the night, it's the Republicans, sleepwalking.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/27/AR2007032701722.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2007 05:21 am
A further few comments related to Myserson's piece and to the upcoming election and perhaps related as well to the continually puzzling lack of intellectual or moral (or something) resiliency in our Bush dead-enders and 'liberals are from satan' contingent. An interesting period of time, this.
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On the other hand, Republican support is contracting to a base of about 25 per cent of the population whose views are getting more extreme, not merely because moderate conservatives are peeling off to become Independents, but also because of the party's success in constructing a parallel universe of news sources, thinktanks, blogs, pseudo-scientists and so on, which has led to the core becoming more tightly committed to an extremist ideology.


There's plenty to support this account outside the Pew survey. This Gallup poll shows that a majority of Democrats and a large plurality of Independents think that the US is spending too much on the military - hardly any Republicans take this view. The proportion thinking spending is too high is the highest since 1990 and one of the highest on record.

Looking at the Republican side of the aisle, Jonathan Chait points out (via Matthew Yglesias), that even as scientific evidence on global warming has become overwhelming and most of the oil industry has ceased to promote delusional thinking on this issue, the same thinking has hardened within the Congressional Republican party, to the point where Republican members of Congress who are qualified scientists (amazingly, there are some) are barred from sitting on committees where they might disrupt the anti-science orthodoxy. The position of rightwing blogs is even worse, with a recent survey 59-0 score in favour of the delusional position.
http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/27/eumerica/
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2007 10:16 am
blatham wrote:
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There are, I think, four possible, partial explanations. The first is Rudy-ex-machina-- the hope that the party will nominate somebody who is not perceived to be part of their current mess and who will sweep them back into power no matter how big a hole they may now be digging for him. The second is a strategy to make it impossible for the Democrats to pass any legislation, and then run against the do-nothing Democrats.

Both of which scenarios they might very well get away with..
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2007 11:12 am
<lifts eyebrow slightly>
<smiles>
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2007 11:14 am
<smiles back apologetically>

(my forum mode is on a wholly separate, parallel schedule from any other (work, communication, etc) mode... dont mind me, please..)
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2007 02:49 pm
nimh wrote:
blatham wrote:
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There are, I think, four possible, partial explanations. The first is Rudy-ex-machina-- the hope that the party will nominate somebody who is not perceived to be part of their current mess and who will sweep them back into power no matter how big a hole they may now be digging for him. The second is a strategy to make it impossible for the Democrats to pass any legislation, and then run against the do-nothing Democrats.

Both of which scenarios they might very well get away with..


Possible but very unlikely, I think. The second of the two is double-edged and even it it weren't, the profile of it will be below the radar as dem investigations continue to bear fruit (and all that will gain far more press attention and solidify present tendencies in america to think of the new conservative movement in negative ways, deservedly).

Rudy is their best guy (in terms of electability, in other terms, he could be about the worst thing to happen to the US right now) but with his baggage and in the present context, he's got a steep and I think insurmountable hill to climb.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2007 03:40 pm
There was another part of the quoted Meyerson editorial that caught my eye;
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The third is that the alternative reality conveyed by the Republican media -- Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and their ilk -- has created a Republican activist base that is genuinely not reality-based, and from which the current generation of Republican pols is disproportionately drawn. And the fourth, pertaining specifically to the inability of the administration to stop politicizing government, is that good government is just not in their DNA. Bush and Rove are no more inclined to create a government based on such impartial values as law and science than they are to set up collective farms.


It is more or less axiomatic that whatever party loses an election can be said to follow an "alternate reality", not validated at the ballot box. Thus there is (or has been) a Democrat "alternate reality" (or illusion) on which their former false perceptions of the resonance of their own hot button issues with the general electorate were based. In the election season ahead we will encounter different realities as well -- only in retrospect will we know which were the "alternate" versions.

The astounding cheap shot about "... the inability of the Administration to stop politicizing government" , is a reminder that Meyerson himself dwells in an alternate reality. There is no such thing as government apart from politics. Only a true-believing liberal crypto authoritarian would assume his particular preference for policy is somehow beyond politics and sublimely connected to the objective reality of the 'ideal government' to which all the Fox-loving unter mensch should quietly submit.

His implicit definition of "good government" is the policy of the Democrat Party which he so evidently supports. That of course is his right. However, people who so implicitly and automatically identify their own opinions and preferences with an objective reality that should apply to everyone are potentially dangerous. Hardly different from the Bible-thumping Evangelists that Blathom so darkly suspects.
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