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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 02:07 pm
Thomas wrote:
Stupid Foreignervanian question to the Americans in this thread: Why is it that thinly sourced allegations of McCain sleeping with a lobbyist are a big ethical deal, when his "bo, bo, bomb bomb Iran" doesn't even rise to the level of a tiny ethical deal?

Talk about weird priorities ....

Americans ....


Is it a big deal when Obama says he'll invade Pakistan?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 02:08 pm
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Stupid Foreignervanian question to the Americans in this thread: Why is it that thinly sourced allegations of McCain sleeping with a lobbyist are a big ethical deal, when his "bo, bo, bomb bomb Iran" doesn't even rise to the level of a tiny ethical deal?

Talk about weird priorities ....

Americans ....


Is it a big deal when Obama says he'll invade Pakistan?



Assuming that al-Qaida is based there, what is wrong with O's statement?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 02:12 pm
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Stupid Foreignervanian question to the Americans in this thread: Why is it that thinly sourced allegations of McCain sleeping with a lobbyist are a big ethical deal, when his "bo, bo, bomb bomb Iran" doesn't even rise to the level of a tiny ethical deal?

Talk about weird priorities ....

Americans ....


Is it a big deal when Obama says he'll invade Pakistan?
I believe that both Thomas and myself have expressed deep concern re Obama's statement re invading Pakistan. So yes it is a big deal. Any more questions from the lunatic fringe?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 02:20 pm
dyslexia wrote:
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Stupid Foreignervanian question to the Americans in this thread: Why is it that thinly sourced allegations of McCain sleeping with a lobbyist are a big ethical deal, when his "bo, bo, bomb bomb Iran" doesn't even rise to the level of a tiny ethical deal?

Talk about weird priorities ....

Americans ....


Is it a big deal when Obama says he'll invade Pakistan?
I believe that both Thomas and myself have expressed deep concern re Obama's statement re invading Pakistan. So yes it is a big deal. Any more questions from the lunatic fringe?


Compared to what McCain is saying about Iran, I don't even "worry" that much about what Obama said.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 02:26 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Stupid Foreignervanian question to the Americans in this thread: Why is it that thinly sourced allegations of McCain sleeping with a lobbyist are a big ethical deal, when his "bo, bo, bomb bomb Iran" doesn't even rise to the level of a tiny ethical deal?

Talk about weird priorities ....

Americans ....


Is it a big deal when Obama says he'll invade Pakistan?
I believe that both Thomas and myself have expressed deep concern re Obama's statement re invading Pakistan. So yes it is a big deal. Any more questions from the lunatic fringe?


Compared to what McCain is saying about Iran, I don't even "worry" that much about what Obama said.


So when Obama says invade Pakistan, thats OK with you.
But when McCain says bomb Iran, thats not ok with you.

Whats the difference in the two statements?
Both are running for President, both are advocating war with another country.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 02:28 pm
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Stupid Foreignervanian question to the Americans in this thread: Why is it that thinly sourced allegations of McCain sleeping with a lobbyist are a big ethical deal, when his "bo, bo, bomb bomb Iran" doesn't even rise to the level of a tiny ethical deal?

Talk about weird priorities ....

Americans ....


Is it a big deal when Obama says he'll invade Pakistan?
I believe that both Thomas and myself have expressed deep concern re Obama's statement re invading Pakistan. So yes it is a big deal. Any more questions from the lunatic fringe?


Compared to what McCain is saying about Iran, I don't even "worry" that much about what Obama said.


So when Obama says invade Pakistan, thats OK with you.
But when McCain says bomb Iran, thats not ok with you.

Whats the difference in the two statements?
Both are running for President, both are advocating war with another country.


The difference is that Obama was talking about going after Osama bin Laden - something that those of us on the left still care about. McCain is talking about starting a war with a country who hasn't attacked us and probably never will.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 02:29 pm
mm seems to miss the simplest of concepts; one of the reasons I hate even responding to his query.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 02:31 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Stupid Foreignervanian question to the Americans in this thread: Why is it that thinly sourced allegations of McCain sleeping with a lobbyist are a big ethical deal, when his "bo, bo, bomb bomb Iran" doesn't even rise to the level of a tiny ethical deal?

Talk about weird priorities ....

Americans ....


Is it a big deal when Obama says he'll invade Pakistan?
I believe that both Thomas and myself have expressed deep concern re Obama's statement re invading Pakistan. So yes it is a big deal. Any more questions from the lunatic fringe?


Compared to what McCain is saying about Iran, I don't even "worry" that much about what Obama said.


So when Obama says invade Pakistan, thats OK with you.
But when McCain says bomb Iran, thats not ok with you.

Whats the difference in the two statements?
Both are running for President, both are advocating war with another country.


The difference is that Obama was talking about going after Osama bin Laden - something that those of us on the left still care about. McCain is talking about starting a war with a country who hasn't attacked us and probably never will.

Cycloptichorn


So now you are saying that its ok to go to war with another country if someone you dont like MIGHT be hiding there.

THen why do you have such a hate on for Bush invading Iraq because he wanted Saddam and knew where he was?

And if Osama isnt in Pakistan, what then?
Do you just apologize and leave?
How would that be possible if the Pakistani military is fully engaged with our troops?

You would put this country in the exact same situation that you are now opposed to in Iraq.
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 02:46 pm
dyslexia wrote:
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Stupid Foreignervanian question to the Americans in this thread: Why is it that thinly sourced allegations of McCain sleeping with a lobbyist are a big ethical deal, when his "bo, bo, bomb bomb Iran" doesn't even rise to the level of a tiny ethical deal?

Talk about weird priorities ....

Americans ....


Is it a big deal when Obama says he'll invade Pakistan?
I believe that both Thomas and myself have expressed deep concern re Obama's statement re invading Pakistan. So yes it is a big deal. Any more questions from the lunatic fringe?


Just making sure the Stupid Foreignervanian is aware that all of America is shallow and easily amused.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 04:37 pm
nappyheaded wrote:
Just making sure the Stupid Foreignervanian is aware that all of America is shallow and easily amused.

you may consider yourself to be all of America and easily amused. I don't.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 04:50 pm
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Is it a big deal when Obama says he'll invade Pakistan?

Yes, and as Dys noted, I'm on record saying so somewhere in the Obama thread. Call me a hippie if you want, but I like a president whose White House makes love, not war.
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 05:11 pm
Thomas wrote:
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Is it a big deal when Obama says he'll invade Pakistan?

Yes, and as Dys noted, I'm on record saying so somewhere in the Obama thread. Call me a hippie if you want, but I like a president whose White House makes love, not war.


You'll be relieved to know that Obama has tried to say he didn't mean it. We're not sure if he changed his mind before or after he said he'd call the 'president' of Canada.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 06:22 pm
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Thomas wrote:
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Is it a big deal when Obama says he'll invade Pakistan?

Yes, and as Dys noted, I'm on record saying so somewhere in the Obama thread. Call me a hippie if you want, but I like a president whose White House makes love, not war.


You'll be relieved to know that Obama has tried to say he didn't mean it. We're not sure if he changed his mind before or after he said he'd call the 'president' of Canada.


You don't really want to go comparing Obama's knowledge of the world with the fellow presently in the WH, do you?

For example, Bush's statements that he had "great respect for Prime Minister Poutine". And there was that thing with the Grecians and that thing with the Kosovarians and... so many, many more.

But go ahead if you like. Silly is always fun for the rest of us.
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 06:55 pm
I don't believe Bush is running this year. But have all the fun you want, for all the good it will do you (which might be considerable).
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 08:30 pm
Thomas wrote:
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Is it a big deal when Obama says he'll invade Pakistan?

Yes, and as Dys noted, I'm on record saying so somewhere in the Obama thread. Call me a hippie if you want, but I like a president whose White House makes love, not war.


And there's a reason hippies should not be in the White House, or in charge of the security interests of the US.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 08:37 pm
mysteryman wrote:


So when Obama says invade Pakistan, thats OK with you.
But when McCain says bomb Iran, thats not ok with you.

Whats the difference in the two statements?
Both are running for President, both are advocating war with another country.

The difference is who said it. I doubt Obama meant what he said at all, but McCain might have meant it.

At least I don't believe Obama has any intention at all of protecting American interests or fighting terrorism abroad, although I don't know, nobody knows, but that is how I am assessing him right now.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 08:40 pm
mysteryman wrote:
So when Obama says invade Pakistan, thats OK with you.
But when McCain says bomb Iran, thats not ok with you.

Whats the difference in the two statements?
Both are running for President, both are advocating war with another country.


Umm, fact check.

Obama did not advocate "war with Pakistan".

What Obama argued was that, if as President he had credible information about Al-Qaeda bases in Pakistan, he would send special troops to get to them - even without permission of the Pakistani President.

This, of course, is exactly what the US has done right this week.

Did you not agree with the US special mission this week that went after Al-Qaeda into Pakistani territory, without prior approval of Musharraf? Or did you?

If you did, what's your problem with Obama proposing the same thing?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 08:46 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Thomas wrote:
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Is it a big deal when Obama says he'll invade Pakistan?

Yes, and as Dys noted, I'm on record saying so somewhere in the Obama thread. Call me a hippie if you want, but I like a president whose White House makes love, not war.


And there's a reason hippies should not be in the White House, or in charge of the security interests of the US.
And i suppose there's a reason the person in the Whitehouse is there because the people chose him/her to be there whether he/she is a hippie is not actually relevant. The people chose Nixon just as they chose Carter.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 08:50 pm
nimh wrote:
This, of course, is exactly what the US has done right this week.

Correction: the news broke this week, but the actual operation took place last month. See:

Unilateral Strike Called a Model For U.S. Operations in Pakistan.

Quote:
In the predawn hours of Jan. 29, a CIA Predator aircraft flew in a slow arc above the Pakistani town of Mir Ali. The drone's operator, relying on information secretly passed to the CIA by local informants, clicked a computer mouse and sent the first of two Hellfire missiles hurtling toward a cluster of mud-brick buildings a few miles from the town center.

The missiles killed Abu Laith al-Libi, a senior al-Qaeda commander and a man who had repeatedly eluded the CIA's dragnet. It was the first successful strike against al-Qaeda's core leadership in two years, and it involved, U.S. officials say, an unusual degree of autonomy by the CIA inside Pakistan.

Having requested the Pakistani government's official permission for such strikes on previous occasions, only to be put off or turned down, this time the U.S. spy agency did not seek approval. The government of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf was notified only as the operation was underway, according to the officials, who insisted on anonymity because of diplomatic sensitivities.

Officials say the incident was a model of how Washington often scores its rare victories these days in the fight against al-Qaeda inside Pakistan's national borders: It acts with assistance from well-paid sympathizers inside the country, but without getting the government's formal permission beforehand.

It is an approach that some U.S. officials say could be used more frequently this year [..]


Now compare what Obama said last year:

Quote:
"Let me make this clear," Obama said in a speech prepared for delivery at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. "There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

link

Let me make this clear: Obama proposed exactly what the US is already doing right now. And McCain is criticizing him for it.

John McCain, criticising Obama for defending actions that US troops are already risking their lives doing right now. How crazy is this campaign, huh?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 09:08 pm
McCain is losing it; he approves torture, and now contradicts himself to criticize Obama for what "we should be doing." What's next?
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