0
   

A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 09:32 pm
okie wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
okie wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
And that will be a vote for the Democrats okie. You know you can't do that to America. I have faith that you'll take one for the team in November.

McCain has to prove he is a member of the team first, before I can vote for the team, something he hasn't done too well up to now. And I want to see if I think he is going to throw the game before I decide to play or not.


As I said before, the decision is yours to make. Just keep in mind that there are some very old liberal justices on the Supreme Court. John Paul Stevens is 88 and if Clinton or Obama wins, he will almost certainly retire during their term.

Just one more conservative judge will make a huge difference.

Scalia is 72
Kennedy is 72
Ginsberg is 75
Breyer is 70

I wish all of these people continued good health and long life, it would be surprising to see at least two of them needing to be replaced in the next 8 years.


And how old is McCain, Finn?

Finn, have you been watching the results. McCain the so-called frontrunner lost Kansas very bad, he may be losing Louisiana, although too early to tell, and even in Washington, he barely has an edge in early results. This could be pretty embarrassing if he loses 2 out of 3 today, or could it be 3 out of 3, that would be a total embarrassment.

I haven't heard anyone suggest this, but what if McCain has sort of a ceiling of around 40% and with a reduced field in the primaries, he loses more of them in the future. It aint over until the fat lady sings. I think she will sing for McCain, but it may not be as easy as projected.


Hey, if McCain loses, you won't have a dilemma anymore. I'm not trying to convince you to support the man or vote for him in your state's primary. If, as everyone believes - notwithstanding tonight's results - McCain wins the nomination, that's when I would like to influence you.
0 Replies
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 09:40 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:


Hey, if McCain loses, you won't have a dilemma anymore. I'm not trying to convince you to support the man or vote for him in your state's primary. If, as everyone believes - notwithstanding tonight's results - McCain wins the nomination, that's when I would like to influence you.

Don't worry about me, I will size it up before November and I "might" vote for McCain if he looks at all reasonable. But to roll over now is not all that smart, not wise at all, and I'm speaking for alot of people like myself, because the worst thing we can do is be pushovers for Sir John McCain. He needs to realize that all those insults in the past meant something, and he needs to promise to change his ways.

I think the guy you need to worry about is John McCain.

I am not at all convinced he will pick good supreme court judges, just one example.
0 Replies
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 09:46 pm
Huckabee ahead by eight with 2/3 counted in Louisiana. I don't see how McCain can make up that much ground. He would have to win by 16 in the remaining third just to get even.
0 Replies
 
georgeob1
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 09:57 pm
okie wrote:
I think the guy you need to worry about is John McCain.

I am not at all convinced he will pick good supreme court judges, just one example.


Do you think Obama or Hillary will pick ones you like more?????
0 Replies
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 10:08 pm
Obviously not.

Huckabee's lead down to 4 points in Louisiana with 78% counted.

And Washington is stuck on their count for a very long time, almost an hour now.
0 Replies
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 10:34 pm
okie wrote:
Obviously not.

Huckabee's lead down to 4 points in Louisiana with 78% counted.

And Washington is stuck on their count for a very long time, almost an hour now.


Apparently unless someone gets over 50% in Louisiana, no one gets the delegates, and they are free to vote how they please at the convention. That would be almost as good as winning them for McCain.
0 Replies
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 10:42 pm
A photo finish in Louisiana, down to 2700 votes between Huckabee and McCain.
0 Replies
 
nimh
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 10:44 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Apparently unless someone gets over 50% in Louisiana, no one gets the delegates, and they are free to vote how they please at the convention.

I hope I wont offend anyone if I say that the bewildering complexity and arbitrariness of rules governing the various primaries make for a batshit insane system.. quite impossible to wrap one's head round.
0 Replies
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 10:45 pm
Thats why this is called the United States of America, nimh, each state can implement their own rules.
0 Replies
 
Butrflynet
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 10:51 pm
Only if the Feds allow them to do so.

Legalized medical marijuana dispensaries and federal searches and arrests being just one example, vehicle emissions restrictions, and minimum mileage per gallon of gas being others.
0 Replies
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 10:56 pm
I'm not talking about rules for everything, butrflynet, just in regard to elections, and the states can apparently make their own rules within certain guidelines.
0 Replies
 
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 11:07 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
I agree. She is an entertainer, not a political commentator. A writer & stand up comic whose shtick is parodying & mocking "liberals" (conveniently defined). About as "profoundly insightful" as Bill Maher, but funnier (however, that isn't saying much).


I watched Bill Maher last night and he was Coulteresque as respects the comments he made about conservatives. At one point he made the comment "Why couldn't he (Rush Limbaugh)have died instead of Heath Ledger."

I thought the comment to be off putting, especially since it certainly seemed genuine, but I was only watching because Jonah Goldberg and PJ O'Rourke were among his guests. I'm hardly going to launch a campaign to have him put in the stocks or suggest he is somehow undermining civilization which seems to be the common response to Coulter by our friends on the left. And it's not just me of course.

I don't remember Maher being so rabid back in the Politically Incorrect days. Perhaps he's trying to immitate the success of Coulter. He's also clearly a kook. At one point he had his guests looking at each other with startled embarassment as he went on a lengthy rant about how prescription drugs are poison and no one should take them.

I haven't watched Sat Night Live in some time, but they should be having a field day with these primaries.


Interesting thesis you boys have here: Bill Maher and Ann Coulter are the same, standup comics (and comedic writers) who do political satire. That's the thesis, right?

I want you to know that the thesis gains clear support in any brief study of their respective personal histories as performance artists. Let's nail down some of these facts just to further demonstrate the aptness of your thesis.

1979 - Maher hosts the New York City comedy club Catch a Rising Star
1982 - Maher begins appearing on Johnny Carson, Letterman etc and works in some comedic films like D.C. Cab (1983), Ratboy (1986), Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death (1988)
1983/4 - Coulter is co-founder of the conservative Cornell Review which targets affirmative action, gay rights, communist sympathizers, abortion, and anti-apartheid activists
1984 - Coulter is founder of a Michigan chapter of The Federalist Society and goes for "training" to The National Journalism Center
1991 - Maher stars in comic movie Pizzaman
1994 - Coulter goes to work for Republican Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan and helped craft legislation designed to expedite the deportation of aliens convicted of felonies. She later became a litigator with the Center for Individual Rights.
1998 - Maher's show Politically Correct shifts to ABC
1998 - Coulter works behind the scenes with Linda Tripp and Ken Starr lawyers in their quest to impeach the sitting President.

What further evidence for your thesis might anyone possibly ask for with any logical justification whatsoever?
0 Replies
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 11:11 pm
Thats hardly comedy when somebody suggests somebody should die, blatham. I would label that person sick instead of a comedian.
0 Replies
 
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 11:12 pm
A tip of the hat tonite for the jet-roar of Huckmentum.
0 Replies
 
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 11:12 pm
okie wrote:
Thats hardly comedy when somebody suggests somebody should die, blatham. I would label that person sick instead of a comedian.


Unless they are Muslim?
0 Replies
 
nimh
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 11:14 pm
I'm kind of taken aback by the results from Washington - I thought that those early results would be rapidly overtaken as more votes would come in, but look at this:

26% McCain
24% Huckabee
21% Paul
16% Romney
13% Uncommitted

That's with 78% of precincts reporting.

I mean, OK - I can see how the Huck/Mac divide fits the peculiar geography of the state (although Huckabee has certainly not fared well in the Mountain West previously). But 21% for Ron Paul? 16% for a candidate who's already dropped out? 13% Uncommitted? Is this anything but a slap in the face for McCain, or am I overlooking something?
0 Replies
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 11:15 pm
Yes, even Huckabee wipes out the great John McCain. Even in a Republican primary, McCain can't even win make a good showing in Kansas, or looks like in Louisiana either, as the fat lady is taking the stage there now with almost all the votes counted with Huckabee ahead by more than a couple thousand votes. Even if the delegates are not given to Huckabee in Louisiana, it is still rather embarrassing for McCain it would appear.
0 Replies
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 11:17 pm
nimh wrote:
Is this anything but a slap in the face for McCain, or am I overlooking something?

You are not overlooking anything. McCain has slapped Republicans in the face for years, so why should you be surprised? I think the best campaign strategy for McCain was Romney running ads against him, and now that he has quit, McCain has no way to motivate his voters.

Something else in Washington, McCain made Boeing employees mad, and that may be a factor there.
0 Replies
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 11:23 pm
blatham wrote:
okie wrote:
Thats hardly comedy when somebody suggests somebody should die, blatham. I would label that person sick instead of a comedian.


Unless they are Muslim?

What? That is a weird statement, blatham.
0 Replies
 
Ticomaya
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2008 11:25 pm
okie wrote:
Yes, even Huckabee wipes out the great John McCain. Even in a Republican primary, McCain can't even win make a good showing in Kansas, or looks like in Louisiana either, as the fat lady is taking the stage there now with almost all the votes counted with Huckabee ahead by more than a couple thousand votes. Even if the delegates are not given to Huckabee in Louisiana, it is still rather embarrassing for McCain it would appear.


Yes, yes ... slap in the face ... very embarrassing.

I suspect he won't be nearly as embarrassed while he's giving his acceptance speech in Minneapolis in September.
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

My Fellow Prisoners... - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Afred E. Smith Dinner - Discussion by cjhsa
mccain begs off - Discussion by dyslexia
If Biden And Obama Aren't Qualified - Discussion by Bi-Polar Bear
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
McCain lies - Discussion by nimh
The Case Against John McCain - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.05 seconds on 07/16/2025 at 04:37:36