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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 05:30 pm


Not sure what the big deal is with this.

I don't like it when people boo any speaker, no matter who they may be.

It's boorish.

I wouldn't appreciate seeing Obama or Hillary booed, and I was embarrassed for Republicans when some of their members heckled Bill Clinton during his SOTU speech around the time of the Lewinsky scandal.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 05:30 pm
So I guess you mean to say that if they end up applauding and endorsing him, it will be only because they were forced in to it.


I think one will be able to say the same for about half of the Democrats, no matter whom they nominate.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 05:40 pm
Just reportin' the news, boys.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 05:43 pm
ps... I am a big fan of Juan McCain.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 05:47 pm
blatham wrote:
ps... I am a big fan of Juan McCain.


You mean John McAmnesty?

Cycloptichorn
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 09:00 pm
okie wrote:
Hes a good businessman, blatham. Its time to cut his losses.

okie wrote:
It was mostly his own money, cyclops, so he is simply cutting his losses, which is a sign of good business sense.


Ah, Romney's business acumen. How did that work out for him?

    [size=14][b][url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/06/romneys_expenses_per_delegate.html]Romney's Expenses Per Delegate Top $1M[/url][/b][/size] Republican campaign operatives call it the Gramm-o-meter, the money a candidate spends per delegate won, in honor of Phil Gramm, the former Texas senator who spent $25 million and won just 10 delegates, or $2.5 million per, in 1996. By Republican strategist Alex Vogel's calculation, Mitt Romney is giving Gramm a run for his money. The former Massachusetts governor has spent $1.16 million per delegate, a rate that would cost him $1.33 billion to win the nomination. By contrast, Mike Huckabee's campaign has been the height of efficiency. Delegates haven't yet been officially apportioned, but roughly speaking, each $1 million spent by Huckabee has won him 20 delegates.

Then again, I guess you could argue that at least he did better than Rudy Giuliani. He spent $50 million to win just one delegate. Meaning he would have had to spend around $60 billion to get the 1,191 delegates needed to win the nomination.

The Republican Party - the party of smart, level-headed business sense Razz
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 09:37 pm
Bedtime for johnboy at 10:30 pm ET in the U.S. Um, dude, what time is it in Budapest.

I had a tough time understanding Romney's public statement for suspending his campaign. Something about being in this war-time period with terrorists at our door, it is his patriotic duty to withdraw so that the party could unite. I exaggerate a bit, but did anyone catch that?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 09:57 pm
nimh wrote:
okie wrote:
Hes a good businessman, blatham. Its time to cut his losses.

okie wrote:
It was mostly his own money, cyclops, so he is simply cutting his losses, which is a sign of good business sense.


Ah, Romney's business acumen. How did that work out for him?

    [size=14][b][url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/06/romneys_expenses_per_delegate.html]Romney's Expenses Per Delegate Top $1M[/url][/b][/size] Republican campaign operatives call it the Gramm-o-meter, the money a candidate spends per delegate won, in honor of Phil Gramm, the former Texas senator who spent $25 million and won just 10 delegates, or $2.5 million per, in 1996. By Republican strategist Alex Vogel's calculation, Mitt Romney is giving Gramm a run for his money. The former Massachusetts governor has spent $1.16 million per delegate, a rate that would cost him $1.33 billion to win the nomination. By contrast, Mike Huckabee's campaign has been the height of efficiency. Delegates haven't yet been officially apportioned, but roughly speaking, each $1 million spent by Huckabee has won him 20 delegates.

Then again, I guess you could argue that at least he did better than Rudy Giuliani. He spent $50 million to win just one delegate. Meaning he would have had to spend around $60 billion to get the 1,191 delegates needed to win the nomination.

The Republican Party - the party of smart, level-headed business sense Razz


If I had $250 million, I think it would be worth spending at least $50 million to become the most powerful person on earth. Maybe more.

It's just a matter of how much a risk you want to take. Romney came pretty close, and the investment was hardly squandered. He's put himself in a very good position to win the next Republican nomination without spending nearly as much of his own cash.

Besides if Bill Clinton's experience is at all instructive, a person can make millions from being the president.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 10:10 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
Bedtime for johnboy at 10:30 pm ET in the U.S. Um, dude, what time is it in Budapest.

I had a tough time understanding Romney's public statement for suspending his campaign. Something about being in this war-time period with terrorists at our door, it is his patriotic duty to withdraw so that the party could unite. I exaggerate a bit, but did anyone catch that?


Yes, that's it. And you don't exaggerate.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 10:17 pm
Quote:
Huckabee to Get Evangelical Leader's Nod

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: February 7, 2008
Filed at 11:00 p.m. ET

James Dobson, one of the nation's most prominent evangelical Christian leaders, is about to endorse former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, The Associated Press has learned.

Dobson, founder of Colorado Springs, Colo.-based Focus on the Family, talked to the GOP presidential hopeful Thursday and later was to release a statement explaining his choice, said Gary Schneeberger, a spokesman for Dobson.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Dobson-Huckabee.html
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 12:04 am
McCain has had what he describes as a productive conversation with Romney and they have agreed to work together. So we possibly are looking at a McCain/Romney ticket? Would that work?

Huckabee is of no further benefit to McCain at this point and it is to McCain's benefit to take him out quickly now in order to conserve energy and fund for the general campaign.

Such is politics in America.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 04:02 am
Foxfyre wrote:

Huckabee is of no further benefit to McCain at this point and it is to McCain's benefit to take him out quickly now in order to conserve energy and fund for the general campaign.

Such is politics in America.


Interesting statement. One could replace the word "McCain" with almost anything, including "the country" and it would still be true.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 06:40 am
McCain and Romney looks likely.

In the resolving cognitive dissonance column, here's how Krauthammer will now think about McCain...

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The Apostate Sheriff
...Who in the end prepared the ground for the McCain ascendancy? Not Feingold. Not Kennedy. Not even Giuliani. It was George W. Bush. Bush begat McCain.

Bush remains popular in his party. Even conservatives are inclined to forgive him his various heresies because they are trumped by his singular achievement: He's kept us safe. He's the original apostate sheriff.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/07/AR2008020703696.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 06:57 am
Mona Charen at NRO has yet to enter the cognitive dissonance resolved category...

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There is a strutting self-righteousness about McCain that goes hand-in-hand with a nitroglycerin temper. He flatters himself that his colleagues in the Senate dislike him because he stands up for principle, while they sell their souls for pork. Not exactly. He is disliked because on many, many occasions he has been disrespectful, belligerent, and vulgar to those who differ with him.

Bradley Smith, former commissioner of the Federal Election Commission and the leading legal scholar on campaign-finance issues, experienced the McCain treatment firsthand. Because Smith opposed limits on political speech, he was denounced as "corrupt" by the senator (as was Commissioner Ellen Weintraub). Smith, who lives modestly, jokes that his wife has complained about the absence of jewels and furs. Though he served on the commission for five years and made several attempts to meet with McCain to discuss the issues, Smith was rebuffed.

The two did accidentally meet outside a hearing room in 2004 when they were both scheduled to testify before the Senate rules committee. At first, McCain grasped Smith's outstretched hand (Smith was in a wheelchair recovering from surgery), but when he recognized his campaign finance opponent he snatched his hand back, snarling "I'm not going to shake your hand. You're a bully. You have no regard for the Constitution. You're corrupt."

Smith, a soft-spoken scholar, ardent patriot, and lifelong conservative Republican, cannot pull the lever for McCain. He is far from alone, and that is the Republican Party's heartbreak in 2008.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTQ0MjgxZmIyOTM1MTM1ZDM4YTQ0N2ZlMDMwNzVjZjU=
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 07:56 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
It's just a matter of how much a risk you want to take. Romney came pretty close

He came "pretty close"? How do you argue that? He regularly outspent his rivals by a magnitude of 2:1 or 3:1, and was still clobbered in most of the primaries.

I mean, he ended up with 278 delegates from the states, against 721 for McCain - more than two and a half times as many.

All in all, he won less than a quarter of the delegates that were elected so far - 23% of them.

Meanwhile, Huckabee, who spent about one-thirtieth of the money Mitt spent, won 16%.

Romney did win about a third of the states - dont know if that counts as "coming close" - but those were overwhelmingly sparsely-populated states out West, including the likes of Alaska, Montana, North Dakota, Wyoming and Utah.

The biggest prize he won was Colorado...

Meanwhile, in 11 of the 29 states that voted so far, Romney didnt just lose, but lose by double digits. And those include powerhouses like New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Arizona, Tennessee and Alabama.

In almost half the states he contested, he won less than a third of the votes..

I dont think that's "pretty close" exactly Cool
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 08:43 am
Nothing would unite the democrats more in this country than Mike Huckabee on a presidential ticket. There is no single more damaging individual in this country than Huckabee.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 10:07 am
maporsche wrote:
Nothing would unite the democrats more in this country than Mike Huckabee on a presidential ticket. There is no single more damaging individual in this country than Huckabee.
Not even Dobson?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 10:28 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:

Huckabee is of no further benefit to McCain at this point and it is to McCain's benefit to take him out quickly now in order to conserve energy and fund for the general campaign.

Such is politics in America.


Interesting statement. One could replace the word "McCain" with almost anything, including "the country" and it would still be true.


Huckabee is not my choice either as I think he is more of RINO than McCain is, but I don't feel the same degree of dislike that you seem to. Should Romney's departure throw Romney's support to Huckabee and he should be come viable, what are your basic problems with him?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 10:47 am
dyslexia wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Nothing would unite the democrats more in this country than Mike Huckabee on a presidential ticket. There is no single more damaging individual in this country than Huckabee.
Not even Dobson?


Fittingly, Dobson just endorsed Huckabee.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gedH7V2999RqzmOm72NCX3LM8e0gD8ULR5K00
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 10:55 am
dyslexia wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Nothing would unite the democrats more in this country than Mike Huckabee on a presidential ticket. There is no single more damaging individual in this country than Huckabee.
Not even Dobson?
Laughing How about Rush?
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