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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
xingu
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 12:16 pm
FYI

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99% Fact-Free
October 12, 2007
How to spot political ads powered only by hot air.

Summary
In this article we examine two examples of what we call "fact-free" advertising, which we see in abundance. These ads seek to associate the candidate with a string of positive words and images but are void of specifics. Voters should beware.

We have chosen an example from Republican Mitt Romney that is full of words such as "families," "values," "patriotic," "strength" and "innovation." Who could be against any of those? Romney is also squarely against "waste in the federal government," but who isn't? And what does he consider "waste?" He doesn't say.

Our example from Democratic candidate John Edwards also pushes the "strength" and "patriotism" buttons, showing that vacuous words are a bipartisan tactic. Edwards also speaks loftily of making America "the country of the 21st century," whatever that means. He says he'd "lift families out of poverty" and "strengthen the middle class" but doesn't say how, or define what he means by "middle class." He says, "We know what needs to be done," but doesn't say what that is.

Analysis
These ads are examples of what propaganda experts called "glittering generalities." They are both appealing and vague, involving the listener emotionally while allowing the speaker to remain uncommitted. We'd call them misleading, except that they really don't make any factual statements.

The ads do contain what experts call "signaling," giving viewers a general impression that Romney would spend more on the military and Edwards would spend more to help the poor, for example. But for specifics, citizens must look elsewhere. The ads rely on evocative images, stirring music and value-loaded but undefined words to appeal to the heart, not the head.

Strong Words
The Romney ad is called "Strength," and it uses the word "strong" or "strength" five times in the space of 60 seconds. The Edwards ad is called "Strength of America," and it uses that phrase twice in 30 seconds.

Such positive-sounding terms can mean whatever the listener wants them to mean. The idea of a "strong military," for instance, is deeply appealing to people who are anxious about national security ("strong" in this case would mean "protective"). It could also appeal to those who believe that the U.S. should be proactive in its military efforts ("strong" would mean "aggressive"). But voters' interpretations of military strength may not match up with Romney's. Generic, attractive language allows listeners to project their concerns and beliefs onto the candidate - perhaps inaccurately.

Romney's ad also shows him lauding "a strong economy" and "strong families and values." But what exactly would he do to make them strong? He doesn't say.

For his part, Edwards says "the strength of America" lies in "the American people," to whom he addresses his appeal. But this ad says nothing about how Edwards proposes to "lift families out of poverty" or "strengthen the middle class."

Detecting a Vacuum
What's really being advocated in these pricey TV spots? When Romney calls for a strong economy, ask: "What candidate is calling for a weak economy?" Or a weak family, weak values or a weak military, for that matter? When Edwards says he wants to "strengthen the middle class," ask: "What candidate wants to weaken the middle class?" And how, exactly, would all these things be "strengthened?" These ads and others like them advocate in such broad generalities that they advocate nothing in particular.

These fluff pieces use plenty of undefined terms. What precisely is meant by "middle class," for example? Both sides talk about protecting or benefiting the middle class, because that's how most voters think of themselves. But it's rare for either side to define what "middle class" means. Is a person making $100,000 a year "middle class" or not? When a politician promises to "strengthen the middle class," listeners find it personally relevant and emotionally appealing, but that promise carries no weight - both "strengthen" and "middle class" could mean just about anything.

Edwards says he'd "lift families out of poverty," but how? With welfare payments? By creating jobs?

"Not Completely Empty"
Even hot air has its uses. "These ads do have a lot of meaningless rhetoric but are not completely empty," says Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor who teaches courses in political communication at the University of Pennsylvania. "Actually these two ads signal two different sets of priorities. Ask how you would react if Edwards spoke of a 'strong military' or Romney said he'd 'lift families out of poverty.' Romney uses traditional Republican language to signal that he would spend more on defense. Edwards speaks of 'the middle class' to signal that although his policies will address poverty he will focus on middle class needs as well." Prof. Jamieson is director of FactCheck.org's parent organization, the Annenberg Public Policy Center.

Also, candidates do not run on bluster alone. Both Romney and Edwards lay out specific plans elsewhere. To strengthen the military, for example, Romney proposes to add at least 100,000 troops to U.S. military forces and to make unspecified "investments" in military "equipment, armament, weapons systems, and strategic defense." And to fight poverty, Edwards favors raising the federal minimum wage to $9.50 per hour (currently $5.85 and scheduled to rise to $7.25 in 2009) and tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit (which provided an estimated $43 billion last year to 22 million low-income workers). But you won't learn those specifics from these fact-free ads. Once you do, you may or may not agree with the specific means the candidates propose to reach their admirable goals.

We're neither criticizing nor endorsing Romney or Edwards, nor anything they are proposing. Our point here is that a great deal of political rhetoric relies on language calculated to be both pleasing and empty. Cautious voters are wise to remember that candidates rely on them to fill in the blanks, sometimes interpreting their ill-defined language as specific promises they never made. If the candidates don't define their terms, citizens shouldn't try to do it for them. Their ideas about "strength" or "patriotism" may not match the candidate's. Remember to read the fine print, and avoid making judgments based only on fine-sounding words that could mean anything.

-by Brooks Jackson and Jessica Henig

Romney Ad: "Strength"
Romney: The right course for America, in a world where evil still exists, is not acquiescence and weakness. It's assertiveness and strength. We believe in a strong military. We believe in a strong economy. We believe in strong families and values. There is not one challenge that America faces that we can't overcome with the innovation, energy and passion which has always been at the heart of America. It is time to cut out the mountains of waste and inefficiency and duplication in the federal government. I've done that in business, I've done it in the Olympics, I've done it in Massachusetts, and frankly I can't wait to get my hands on Washington. Now is the time, this is the place, for us to lead a great coalition of strength. For our families, for our future, for America. I'm Mitt Romney and I approve this message.

Edwards Ad: "Strength of America"
Edwards: Will we make America the country of the 21st century? That depends on all of us. It's not that we don't know what needs to be done. To lift families out of poverty, to strengthen the middle class in this country. We know what needs to be done. The strength of America is not just in the Oval Office, the strength of America is in this room right now. It is the American people, and it's time for the President of the United States to ask Americans to be patriotic about something other than war. I'm John Edwards and I approve this message.

http://www.factcheck.org/99_fact-free.html
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 07:11 pm
blatham wrote:
Option two taken.


I think you know that is a distortion of the truth. As I noted, your conditional hypothesis was itself flawed - the majority approval is alteady present. I responded with my actual reaction to that fact.

A disreputible trick. You impose a conditional left/right finding on an hypothesis that makes both responses equally irrelevant - and complain about the result.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2007 08:36 am
georgeob1 wrote:
blatham wrote:
Option two taken.


I think you know that is a distortion of the truth. As I noted, your conditional hypothesis was itself flawed - the majority approval is alteady present. I responded with my actual reaction to that fact.

A disreputible trick. You impose a conditional left/right finding on an hypothesis that makes both responses equally irrelevant - and complain about the result.


Did your father ever tell you that you make things difficult for yourself? You could simply (and with superior integrity to what you have been doing on this point) acknowledge the point that biblical literalism is a species of intellectual barbarism which does not serve the purpose of increasing knowledge but in fact works in an opposite direction. It's what you think so it would be better to just say so. You wouldn't wish to see more of it arise within either the Muslim communities or the Christian communities so it would be better to just say so.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2007 08:38 am
Irony.

Quote:
Rice Worried by Putin's Broad Powers

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: October 13, 2007
Filed at 9:58 a.m. ET

MOSCOW (AP) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's concentration of power is stifling his country's transition to democracy, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Saturday.

''I think there is too much concentration of power in the Kremlin. Everybody has doubts about the full independence of the judiciary. There are clearly questions about the independence of the electronic media and doubts about the Duma,'' said, referring to the Russian parliament.


How can these phucks sleep at night?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2007 09:52 am
blatham wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
blatham wrote:
Option two taken.


I think you know that is a distortion of the truth. As I noted, your conditional hypothesis was itself flawed - the majority approval is alteady present. I responded with my actual reaction to that fact.

A disreputible trick. You impose a conditional left/right finding on an hypothesis that makes both responses equally irrelevant - and complain about the result.


Did your father ever tell you that you make things difficult for yourself? You could simply (and with superior integrity to what you have been doing on this point) acknowledge the point that biblical literalism is a species of intellectual barbarism which does not serve the purpose of increasing knowledge but in fact works in an opposite direction. It's what you think so it would be better to just say so. You wouldn't wish to see more of it arise within either the Muslim communities or the Christian communities so it would be better to just say so.


What is the subject here? Environmentalism or literal interpretation of the Old Testament? Your last question - to which I offered a fullsome response - was about environmentalism. The fact is that in answering it I gave you a fairly complete picture of my views on both. This shrill insistence on a yes/no response to your continuingly elastic questions is merely childish bullying - unlike and unworthy of you.

My essential point was those who insist on inflicting all such narrow views on others of a more independent and sceptical mind are narrow-minded prigs. The worst of them are those who insist on the eternal veracity and universal applicapility of one but not the other. They are, in addition blind hypocrites.

Into which of these two categories do you fit? A simple yes or no answer please.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2007 12:57 pm
Someone using the account of blatham wrote:
biblical literalism is a species of intellectual barbarism which does not serve the purpose of increasing knowledge but in fact works in an opposite direction.

It's nice to hear from you, Lola. Don't let Bernie catch you using his account, and happy birthday to ya! (At least someone said today is your birthday. I thought it was dlowan, but now I can't find any post where she wrote that.)
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2007 02:49 pm
Well, Happy Birthday Lola! -- Though I do believe the post above had the aspect of one from Bernie.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 09:38 am
Thomas wrote:
Someone using the account of blatham wrote:
biblical literalism is a species of intellectual barbarism which does not serve the purpose of increasing knowledge but in fact works in an opposite direction.

It's nice to hear from you, Lola. Don't let Bernie catch you using his account, and happy birthday to ya! (At least someone said today is your birthday. I thought it was dlowan, but now I can't find any post where she wrote that.)

Birthday wishes delivered by a flockette of doves.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 09:56 am
georgeob1 wrote:
blatham wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
blatham wrote:
Option two taken.


I think you know that is a distortion of the truth. As I noted, your conditional hypothesis was itself flawed - the majority approval is alteady present. I responded with my actual reaction to that fact.

A disreputible trick. You impose a conditional left/right finding on an hypothesis that makes both responses equally irrelevant - and complain about the result.


Did your father ever tell you that you make things difficult for yourself? You could simply (and with superior integrity to what you have been doing on this point) acknowledge the point that biblical literalism is a species of intellectual barbarism which does not serve the purpose of increasing knowledge but in fact works in an opposite direction. It's what you think so it would be better to just say so. You wouldn't wish to see more of it arise within either the Muslim communities or the Christian communities so it would be better to just say so.


What is the subject here? Environmentalism or literal interpretation of the Old Testament? Your last question - to which I offered a fullsome response - was about environmentalism. The fact is that in answering it I gave you a fairly complete picture of my views on both. This shrill insistence on a yes/no response to your continuingly elastic questions is merely childish bullying - unlike and unworthy of you.

My essential point was those who insist on inflicting all such narrow views on others of a more independent and sceptical mind are narrow-minded prigs. The worst of them are those who insist on the eternal veracity and universal applicapility of one but not the other. They are, in addition blind hypocrites.

Into which of these two categories do you fit? A simple yes or no answer please.


Easy enough to go back and isolate what the initial subject was, george, and who changed that subject in the service of which rhetorical goal or strategy.
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xingu
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 10:25 am
Thursday, Oct. 11, 2007
Why Evangelicals May Turn to Romney
By Nancy Gibbs and Michael Duffy

The continuing search by evangelical leaders for a Republican presidential candidate they can believe in took an intriguing turn this week when a handful of evangelical notables started to lean more publicly ?- and more urgently ?- in the direction of former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.

The latest move came on Thursday when Mark DeMoss, a well-known publicist for a variety of religious or conservative groups and causes, sent a five-page letter to friends and colleagues explaining that he had decided to back Romney, a Mormon.

"As a Southern Baptist evangelical and political conservative, I am convinced I have more in common with most Mormons than I do with a liberal Southern Baptist, Methodist, Roman Catholic or a liberal from any other denomination or faith group. The question shouldn't be, 'Could I vote for a Mormon?' but, 'Could I vote for this Mormon?' After all, Mitt told me there are Mormons he couldn't vote for (I presume Harry Reid, for example); and there are Southern Baptists I couldn't vote for (Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, to name a few)."

DeMoss, an unpaid adviser to the Romney campaign who worked for years for the late Rev. Jerry Falwell, and actually arranged a meeting between Romney, Falwell and other evangelical leaders last year, added, "I fully recognize some evangelicals take issue with me for supporting a Mormon for the office of President, and I respect their concerns. Indeed, I had to deal with the same concerns in my own heart before offering to help Gov. Romney. But I concluded that I am more concerned that a candidate shares my values than he shares my theology."

DeMoss's endorsement come a few weeks after a group of more than 40 social conservative leaders gathered in Salt Lake City and agreed they might bolt the Republican party if the G.O.P. handed former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani the Republican nomination. The group agreed that Giuliani's more moderate views on abortion, gay rights and stem cells made him unacceptable to social conservatives.

Demoss's memo was just the latest effort in the system-wide Stop Rudy At All Costs campaign among social conservatives, who will host all the major candidates at the Values Voter Summit in Washington the weekend of October 19. On the same day that DeMoss made his views widely known about Romney, two other social conservatives, Gary Bauer, president of American Values, and Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, met with reporters in Washington and made some positive comments about the Massachusetts governor ?- and less positive ones about former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, the social conservative some had believed could attract grassroots support.

The problem, however, continues to be a lack of consensus about Plan B. Focus on the Family's James Dobson did his best to knock off Fred Thompson as the least bad alternative to Rudy, in an e-mail to supporters that cited Thompson's lackluster rhetorical skills and questionable ideological commitment. But the real gauntlet DeMoss was throwing down was against the purists who favor an evangelical true believer like Sam Brownback or Huckabee or a Third Party Candidate To Be Named Later.

The Romney apostles understand that any successful G.O.P. nominee will have to unite all the ornery wings of the party. With that in mind, they cite not only Romney's strong family values and faithful recitation of the conservative gospel ?- no new taxes, no gay marriage, no abortion. But also, in an appeal to the business and technocrat wings of the party, they point to his record as founder and CEO of Bain Capital, his management of the Salt Lake City Olympics and track record as a turnaround artist. "That kind of experience," DeMoss wrote, "convinces me Mitt Romney could lead, manage and govern America during a critical time in world history."

It is too soon to know if most of the nation's 50 million evangelicals will take the cue and give Romney a closer look. But the evangelical voters are one of the few real prizes in the Republican primary campaign ?- and one that Romney, who has stumbled a bit of late and trails both Giuliani and Thompson in many polls, could sorely use. All of which means we will be seeing more testimonials, endorsements, and solicitations designed to woo a voting block that has yet to find a hero as the primaries approach.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1670621,00.html
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 05:48 pm
Interesting article, Xingu. Had missed the latest turns in the ABR (Anybody But Rudy) camp.

Could you not use the bold font, though? Its distracting and unnecessary..
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 06:37 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
<snipped>

Cycloptichorn


You are a nice, likeable guy, but you have a lot to learn.


Undoubtedly true. Same goes for me: I have a lot to learn still as well. For you, on the other hand, I'm sometimes afraid it's already too late...
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2007 08:27 am
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TPMtv: Meet the Four Horsemen of Rudy's Apocalypse
Maybe you love Rudy or maybe you hate him. But whatever you may think of him, check out his foreign policy team, because that's the key to knowing what to expect from a Rudy presidency. Especially for candidates with little or no foreign policy experience of their own, the folks advising the candidate are key. And Rudy's team is made up, more or less, of all the guys who were too nuts or too extreme to make the cut with George W. Bush. If you really, really want to go to war with Iran as soon as possible, vote Rudy. We run down the highlights and key bios in today's episode of TPMtv ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHfel3twH0w
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2007 05:53 pm
Factions threaten to destabilize the GOP in 2008
By David Lightman and William Douglas | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007
David P. Gilkey / Detroit News

WASHINGTON ?- Some Republican social conservatives are talking about maybe dropping out and forming a third party. Economic conservatives are angry that the GOP Congress and President Bush went on a six-year spending spree. Then there's Iraq, and the question of whether the party is too rigid in support of the unpopular war.

This is the mess that is the national Republican Party, vintage October 2007 ?- a fragmenting coalition in search of a center that might hold. As voters prepare to pick a 2008 presidential nominee, the GOP confronts a central quandary: Can anyone bring these factions together?

Even that question divides the faithful.

The prevailing view for the moment is that unity is just months away, thanks to the prospect that New York Sen. Hillary Clinton may become the Democratic nominee.

"Nothing will bring Republicans together better than the prospect of Hillary Rodham Clinton," said Fergus Cullen, New Hampshire's Republican chairman.

Others aren't so confident, particularly if the current GOP poll leader, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, is the nominee.

"He's stated a pro-abortion-rights position," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, a conservative group. "There is nothing more fundamental to social conservatives than the preservation of human life. Right behind that is the issue of marriage, which he is vulnerable on. It gives social conservatives very little to be motivated."

They could even turn to a third-party candidate. A group of leading social conservatives gathered in Utah last month and discussed the prospect, and it's expected to come up again this weekend when they gather for a four-day "Washington Briefing 2007" and hear from GOP presidential candidates. Sponsoring organizations include the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family.

The activists want to hear pledges of allegiance to a wide array of conservative causes.

"Abortion is the number one issue, but I also care deeply about the rapid expansion of the federal government," said Howard Phillips, the chairman of the Conservative Caucus, a grass-roots advocacy group.

That illustrates that frustration on the right rises from more than social issues.

In Congress, a sizable GOP contingent is upset that the party isn't doing more to curb spending and lower taxes, even if it means voting against the Democratic-led expansion of the popular State Children's Health Insurance Program.

"Make no mistake about it," said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, the chairman of the conservative Republican Study Committee. "This bill is a government-run, socialized medicine wolf masquerading in the sheepskin of children's health care."

Iraq, too, is beginning to split the party base. While Arizona Sen. John McCain lost his front-runner status in part by championing the war, libertarian Texas Rep. Ron Paul is gaining traction in part by stoutly opposing it.

But it's the social conservatives who pose the greatest challenge to GOP unity, and they've shown over the past 30 years that they're willing to fight ?- or stay home ?- to make their point. Political strategist Karl Rove once estimated that 4 million evangelical voters opted not to vote in 2000 after it was revealed that George W. Bush had been charged in 1976 with drunken driving. Their absence made the race much closer than Rove had expected.

So when social conservatives talked last month about a possible third-party run, they were taken seriously.

Such talk, said Perkins, "reveals there's a very serious fault line within the Republican Party. The message there to Republicans is, ?'Don't build on a fault line.' If you want to see your house come down, build on that fault line.''

Conservative activist Gary Bauer warns that such a step would be highly impractical.

"You immediately get into all the messy things you get into when you made your home in the Republican Party," he said. "Is it only going to be a pro-life third party, or is it going to take positions on, for example, the gun issue?

"Well, if it takes a position on the gun issue," he said, "it's going to alienate some pro-life people. So very quickly, this idea that there's a pure, clean alternative for Christian voters, I think, sort of falls apart."

Perhaps more important, third-party candidates usually hand victory in November to the party that hasn't splintered ?- think how Ross Perot drained of conservatives from the GOP in 1992, or George C. Wallace took Southern whites from the old Democratic coalition in 1968.

While Bauer calls a Giuliani vs. Clinton race "a very frustrating option," he noted that "I think there are a lot of steps ?- talking to him (Giuliani) behind closed doors, getting commitments on things that matter. … They're trying to move him on issues." Social conservatives thought they had their candidate two years ago in Virginia Sen. George Allen, but when Allen lost his Senate seat last year, he was done.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is bidding for their loyalty, but his history of support for gay rights and abortion rights ?- positions he's since changed ?- makes them suspicious.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a Baptist preacher, would seem a logical choice and he's picked up some backing, but his still-low poll numbers make many believe he can't win.

The latest hope, former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, is scoring only lukewarm reactions. Focus on the Family founder James Dobson recently dismissed Thompson this way: "He has no passion, no zeal and no apparent 'want to.' "

The biggest reason for social conservatives to stay with Republicans is simple, said Peter W. Schramm, director of the Ashbrook Center for Public Affairs in Ohio.

With Congress in Democratic hands and likely to stay that way next year, the biggest influence a Republican president can have will be on the appointment of judges. All the GOP candidates, he said, would name conservative jurists. And Clinton, or any Democrat, would name judges that would make Republicans recoil.

So Schramm expects even disgruntled Republicans to remember in the end that politics "is not the art of theology. It's the art of the imperfect."
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/20552.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2007 07:13 pm
nimh

Re another thread of yours from a while back...

Bush's approval now at 24%
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2007 07:46 am
blatham wrote:
nimh

Re another thread of yours from a while back...

Bush's approval now at 24%

24%? I've seen a Harris poll this week that had it at 27%, but I thought that was the lowest one out recently..

Variation is rather great at the moment, a new NPR poll has his job approval at 38%. But the consensus seems to be that it's in the low 30s; in other polls out this month so far, CBS has it at 30%, USA Today/Gallup at 32%, FOX at 35%, and AP-Ipsos at 31%.

There's a neat overview here at Pollingreport.com.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2007 07:50 am
Reuters/Zogby
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xingu
 
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Reply Sat 20 Oct, 2007 06:51 am
Onward, Christian Panderers

By Ted Rall

10/18/07 "ICH' -- -- WASHINGTON--A poll finds that 55 percent of Americans think the U.S. was created as a Christian theocracy. "The strong support for official recognition of the majority faith appears to be grounded in a belief that the United States was founded as a Christian nation, in spite of the fact that the Constitution nowhere mentions God or Christianity," says Charles Haynes of the First Amendment Center.

Sadly, these morons are allowed to vote. Tragically, one of them is a major presidential candidate. "The Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation," John McCain recently told an interviewer.

Here's an offer that an erstwhile front-running shoe-in, now low on cash, ought not to refuse. Senator McCain: If you can show me where the Constitution makes us a Christian nation, I'll donate $10,000 to your campaign. If you can't, please explain why we should trust your presidential oath to preserve, protect and defend a document you haven't read.

Lest you think McCain's comment was an isolated brainfart, check out his pandering morsel from the same interview: "We were founded as a nation on Judeo-Christian principles. There's very little debate about that."

Speaking of war criminals, Bush won 80 percent of the Christian fundamentalist voting bloc in 2004. (If they can show me where Jesus advocates the murder of hundreds of thousands of people, I've got another ten grand set aside.) This year, however, the Christian soldiers are in play, dissatisfied with the entire field of presidential candidates.

It's not for lack of sucking up.

Mitt Romney is one-upping McCain, misrepresenting Mormonism as well as the secular nature of American government. "The values of my faith are much like, or are identical to, the values of other faiths that have a Judeo-Christian philosophical background," he said in New Hampshire. "They're American values, if you will." Or if you won't. As The New York Times notes, "Mormons do not believe in the concept of the unified Trinity; the Book of Mormon is considered to be sacred text, alongside the Bible; and Mormons believe that God has a physical body and human beings can eventually become like God." Also, the Mormon Jesus will eventually return to Independence, Missouri. "Much like." Right.

McCain, Romney, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, Mike Huckabee, Sam Brownback have all signed up to address this week's right-wing Christian "Values Voter Summit." So has Democrat Bill Richardson. But when it comes to indulging the whims of Christianists, these guys have nothing on the Big Three Dems.

Hillary Clinton has hired an "evangelical consultant" to court the quarter of voters who tell pollsters that God favors the United States in foreign affairs. Barack Obama deploys evangelical imagery at campaign stops in the Bible Belt. At an evangelical church in Greenville, South Carolina, he said he wants to be an "instrument of God" and expressed confidence "we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth."

"That terminology," said the Rev. Welton Gaddy of the Interfaith Alliance, "has a very specific, indisputable definition that is exclusive rather than inclusive." On the campaign trail, Gaddy continued, Obama "has sounded precisely like George W. Bush."

Even John Edwards, the most reasonable person running, isn't above whoring his faith for votes. "I think that America is a nation of faith. I do believe that. Certainly by way of heritage--there's a powerful Christian thread through all of American history," he told BeliefNet. To his credit, he doesn't go as far as his opponents. Yet he can't bring himself to condemn prayer in public schools: "Allowing time for children to pray for themselves, to themselves, I think is not only okay, I think it's a good thing."

Between 10 and 14 percent of Americans are atheists. Devoting a "moment of silence" in schools sends a message to their children: you and your parents are out of step with American society.

If people want to believe in God, the Great Pumpkin, or a Jesus who lives in Missouri, that's up to them. But religion has no place in the public life of a democracy. None.

Right-wing Christians started questioning their support for the GOP last year, when former White House staffer David Kuo published "Tempting Faith," a bestselling book that revealed that Bush Administration officials privately ridiculed evangelicals and ignored them between elections. Bush betrayed "the millions of faithful Christians who put their trust and hope in the president and his administration," wrote Kuo, who was the White House's deputy director of the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives until 2003.

Who knew? Bush isn't all bad.

McCain, meanwhile, is getting ready to get soaked to score Christian votes. "I've had discussions with the pastor about [undergoing a full-immersion baptism] and we're still in conversation about it," he says.

Ted Rall is the author of the new book "Silk Road to Ruin: Is Central Asia the New Middle East?," an in-depth prose and graphic novel analysis of America's next big foreign policy challenge.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18581.htm
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Oct, 2007 09:35 am
blatham wrote:
nimh

Re another thread of yours from a while back...

Bush's approval now at 24%



HURRAH!
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 20 Oct, 2007 01:13 pm
Giuliani, Thompson, Romney, McCain, Huckabee, Tancredo, Hunter, even Ron Paul -- they were all there this weekend at the Values Voter Summit, put on by the Family Research Council, to ask the Religious Right for its vote.

In his speech, Huckabee showed himself to be most in touch with the religious fundies - and fuelled speculation about a possible third party run if Giuliani wins the Republican nomination:

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HUCKABEE SPEAKS IN TONGUES.

Huckabee came out swinging, which many assumed would happen, but it was an even far more aggressive, direct speech than I expected. While he didn't mention other candidates by name, he was clearly challenging their credibility with evangelical Christians. "I come to you not as one that comes to you, but as one that comes from you," he said. And later: "It's important that people sing from the hearts and don't just lip-sync the lyrics." The candidate they back should "speak in the mother tongue," he said, going on to cite numerous Biblical stories and verses to reaffirm his own ability to do so. David, Goliath, Elijah, Galilee, Jesus putting mud in the eyes of a blind man - he pounded out a sound-bite-sized recap of the Bible just to make it clear that he's still very much a Southern Baptist minister.

He's clearly making a case for evangelicals to endorse him for president, and possibly for them to run him as the third-party candidate should any of the other three win the nomination.

"I don't want expediency or electability to replace our vales. We live or die by those values," he said. "I want to make it very clear that I do not spell with 'G-O-D,' 'G-O-P.' Our party may be important, but our principles are even more important."

He also hit on the right subject areas - abortion, gay marriage, immigration, appointment of federal judges -- and was the only candidate to drop the word "Islamofascism" into his speech this weekend. He also got in some plugs for the need for energy independence and the reviving the American industrial sector to liberate us from China. And he wasn't shy about advocating the kinds of constitutional amendments these voters would like to see happen in regards to marriage and abortion:

"People say we don't want to amend the Constitution. Well, it was made to be amended ... I don't want to see people who are less willing to change the Constitution than they are to change the holy word of God."

The general buzz here is that Huckabee will win this afternoon's straw poll, which would be a big boost for his campaign. But far more important are the side meetings James Dobson and other leaders are conducting about the prospect of running a third-party candidate -- possibly Huckabee -- should an undesirable candidate win the nomination.
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