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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
xingu
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 12:16 pm
FYI

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99% Fact-Free
October 12, 2007
How to spot political ads powered only by hot air.

Summary
In this article we examine two examples of what we call "fact-free" advertising, which we see in abundance. These ads seek to associate the candidate with a string of positive words and images but are void of specifics. Voters should beware.

We have chosen an example from Republican Mitt Romney that is full of words such as "families," "values," "patriotic," "strength" and "innovation." Who could be against any of those? Romney is also squarely against "waste in the federal government," but who isn't? And what does he consider "waste?" He doesn't say.

Our example from Democratic candidate John Edwards also pushes the "strength" and "patriotism" buttons, showing that vacuous words are a bipartisan tactic. Edwards also speaks loftily of making America "the country of the 21st century," whatever that means. He says he'd "lift families out of poverty" and "strengthen the middle class" but doesn't say how, or define what he means by "middle class." He says, "We know what needs to be done," but doesn't say what that is.

Analysis
These ads are examples of what propaganda experts called "glittering generalities." They are both appealing and vague, involving the listener emotionally while allowing the speaker to remain uncommitted. We'd call them misleading, except that they really don't make any factual statements.

The ads do contain what experts call "signaling," giving viewers a general impression that Romney would spend more on the military and Edwards would spend more to help the poor, for example. But for specifics, citizens must look elsewhere. The ads rely on evocative images, stirring music and value-loaded but undefined words to appeal to the heart, not the head.

Strong Words
The Romney ad is called "Strength," and it uses the word "strong" or "strength" five times in the space of 60 seconds. The Edwards ad is called "Strength of America," and it uses that phrase twice in 30 seconds.

Such positive-sounding terms can mean whatever the listener wants them to mean. The idea of a "strong military," for instance, is deeply appealing to people who are anxious about national security ("strong" in this case would mean "protective"). It could also appeal to those who believe that the U.S. should be proactive in its military efforts ("strong" would mean "aggressive"). But voters' interpretations of military strength may not match up with Romney's. Generic, attractive language allows listeners to project their concerns and beliefs onto the candidate - perhaps inaccurately.

Romney's ad also shows him lauding "a strong economy" and "strong families and values." But what exactly would he do to make them strong? He doesn't say.

For his part, Edwards says "the strength of America" lies in "the American people," to whom he addresses his appeal. But this ad says nothing about how Edwards proposes to "lift families out of poverty" or "strengthen the middle class."

Detecting a Vacuum
What's really being advocated in these pricey TV spots? When Romney calls for a strong economy, ask: "What candidate is calling for a weak economy?" Or a weak family, weak values or a weak military, for that matter? When Edwards says he wants to "strengthen the middle class," ask: "What candidate wants to weaken the middle class?" And how, exactly, would all these things be "strengthened?" These ads and others like them advocate in such broad generalities that they advocate nothing in particular.

These fluff pieces use plenty of undefined terms. What precisely is meant by "middle class," for example? Both sides talk about protecting or benefiting the middle class, because that's how most voters think of themselves. But it's rare for either side to define what "middle class" means. Is a person making $100,000 a year "middle class" or not? When a politician promises to "strengthen the middle class," listeners find it personally relevant and emotionally appealing, but that promise carries no weight - both "strengthen" and "middle class" could mean just about anything.

Edwards says he'd "lift families out of poverty," but how? With welfare payments? By creating jobs?

"Not Completely Empty"
Even hot air has its uses. "These ads do have a lot of meaningless rhetoric but are not completely empty," says Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor who teaches courses in political communication at the University of Pennsylvania. "Actually these two ads signal two different sets of priorities. Ask how you would react if Edwards spoke of a 'strong military' or Romney said he'd 'lift families out of poverty.' Romney uses traditional Republican language to signal that he would spend more on defense. Edwards speaks of 'the middle class' to signal that although his policies will address poverty he will focus on middle class needs as well." Prof. Jamieson is director of FactCheck.org's parent organization, the Annenberg Public Policy Center.

Also, candidates do not run on bluster alone. Both Romney and Edwards lay out specific plans elsewhere. To strengthen the military, for example, Romney proposes to add at least 100,000 troops to U.S. military forces and to make unspecified "investments" in military "equipment, armament, weapons systems, and strategic defense." And to fight poverty, Edwards favors raising the federal minimum wage to $9.50 per hour (currently $5.85 and scheduled to rise to $7.25 in 2009) and tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit (which provided an estimated $43 billion last year to 22 million low-income workers). But you won't learn those specifics from these fact-free ads. Once you do, you may or may not agree with the specific means the candidates propose to reach their admirable goals.

We're neither criticizing nor endorsing Romney or Edwards, nor anything they are proposing. Our point here is that a great deal of political rhetoric relies on language calculated to be both pleasing and empty. Cautious voters are wise to remember that candidates rely on them to fill in the blanks, sometimes interpreting their ill-defined language as specific promises they never made. If the candidates don't define their terms, citizens shouldn't try to do it for them. Their ideas about "strength" or "patriotism" may not match the candidate's. Remember to read the fine print, and avoid making judgments based only on fine-sounding words that could mean anything.

-by Brooks Jackson and Jessica Henig

Romney Ad: "Strength"
Romney: The right course for America, in a world where evil still exists, is not acquiescence and weakness. It's assertiveness and strength. We believe in a strong military. We believe in a strong economy. We believe in strong families and values. There is not one challenge that America faces that we can't overcome with the innovation, energy and passion which has always been at the heart of America. It is time to cut out the mountains of waste and inefficiency and duplication in the federal government. I've done that in business, I've done it in the Olympics, I've done it in Massachusetts, and frankly I can't wait to get my hands on Washington. Now is the time, this is the place, for us to lead a great coalition of strength. For our families, for our future, for America. I'm Mitt Romney and I approve this message.

Edwards Ad: "Strength of America"
Edwards: Will we make America the country of the 21st century? That depends on all of us. It's not that we don't know what needs to be done. To lift families out of poverty, to strengthen the middle class in this country. We know what needs to be done. The strength of America is not just in the Oval Office, the strength of America is in this room right now. It is the American people, and it's time for the President of the United States to ask Americans to be patriotic about something other than war. I'm John Edwards and I approve this message.

http://www.factcheck.org/99_fact-free.html
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 07:11 pm
blatham wrote:
Option two taken.


I think you know that is a distortion of the truth. As I noted, your conditional hypothesis was itself flawed - the majority approval is alteady present. I responded with my actual reaction to that fact.

A disreputible trick. You impose a conditional left/right finding on an hypothesis that makes both responses equally irrelevant - and complain about the result.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2007 08:36 am
georgeob1 wrote:
blatham wrote:
Option two taken.


I think you know that is a distortion of the truth. As I noted, your conditional hypothesis was itself flawed - the majority approval is alteady present. I responded with my actual reaction to that fact.

A disreputible trick. You impose a conditional left/right finding on an hypothesis that makes both responses equally irrelevant - and complain about the result.


Did your father ever tell you that you make things difficult for yourself? You could simply (and with superior integrity to what you have been doing on this point) acknowledge the point that biblical literalism is a species of intellectual barbarism which does not serve the purpose of increasing knowledge but in fact works in an opposite direction. It's what you think so it would be better to just say so. You wouldn't wish to see more of it arise within either the Muslim communities or the Christian communities so it would be better to just say so.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2007 08:38 am
Irony.

Quote:
Rice Worried by Putin's Broad Powers

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: October 13, 2007
Filed at 9:58 a.m. ET

MOSCOW (AP) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's concentration of power is stifling his country's transition to democracy, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Saturday.

''I think there is too much concentration of power in the Kremlin. Everybody has doubts about the full independence of the judiciary. There are clearly questions about the independence of the electronic media and doubts about the Duma,'' said, referring to the Russian parliament.


How can these phucks sleep at night?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2007 09:52 am
blatham wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
blatham wrote:
Option two taken.


I think you know that is a distortion of the truth. As I noted, your conditional hypothesis was itself flawed - the majority approval is alteady present. I responded with my actual reaction to that fact.

A disreputible trick. You impose a conditional left/right finding on an hypothesis that makes both responses equally irrelevant - and complain about the result.


Did your father ever tell you that you make things difficult for yourself? You could simply (and with superior integrity to what you have been doing on this point) acknowledge the point that biblical literalism is a species of intellectual barbarism which does not serve the purpose of increasing knowledge but in fact works in an opposite direction. It's what you think so it would be better to just say so. You wouldn't wish to see more of it arise within either the Muslim communities or the Christian communities so it would be better to just say so.


What is the subject here? Environmentalism or literal interpretation of the Old Testament? Your last question - to which I offered a fullsome response - was about environmentalism. The fact is that in answering it I gave you a fairly complete picture of my views on both. This shrill insistence on a yes/no response to your continuingly elastic questions is merely childish bullying - unlike and unworthy of you.

My essential point was those who insist on inflicting all such narrow views on others of a more independent and sceptical mind are narrow-minded prigs. The worst of them are those who insist on the eternal veracity and universal applicapility of one but not the other. They are, in addition blind hypocrites.

Into which of these two categories do you fit? A simple yes or no answer please.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2007 12:57 pm
Someone using the account of blatham wrote:
biblical literalism is a species of intellectual barbarism which does not serve the purpose of increasing knowledge but in fact works in an opposite direction.

It's nice to hear from you, Lola. Don't let Bernie catch you using his account, and happy birthday to ya! (At least someone said today is your birthday. I thought it was dlowan, but now I can't find any post where she wrote that.)
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2007 02:49 pm
Well, Happy Birthday Lola! -- Though I do believe the post above had the aspect of one from Bernie.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 09:38 am
Thomas wrote:
Someone using the account of blatham wrote:
biblical literalism is a species of intellectual barbarism which does not serve the purpose of increasing knowledge but in fact works in an opposite direction.

It's nice to hear from you, Lola. Don't let Bernie catch you using his account, and happy birthday to ya! (At least someone said today is your birthday. I thought it was dlowan, but now I can't find any post where she wrote that.)

Birthday wishes delivered by a flockette of doves.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 09:56 am
georgeob1 wrote:
blatham wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
blatham wrote:
Option two taken.


I think you know that is a distortion of the truth. As I noted, your conditional hypothesis was itself flawed - the majority approval is alteady present. I responded with my actual reaction to that fact.

A disreputible trick. You impose a conditional left/right finding on an hypothesis that makes both responses equally irrelevant - and complain about the result.


Did your father ever tell you that you make things difficult for yourself? You could simply (and with superior integrity to what you have been doing on this point) acknowledge the point that biblical literalism is a species of intellectual barbarism which does not serve the purpose of increasing knowledge but in fact works in an opposite direction. It's what you think so it would be better to just say so. You wouldn't wish to see more of it arise within either the Muslim communities or the Christian communities so it would be better to just say so.


What is the subject here? Environmentalism or literal interpretation of the Old Testament? Your last question - to which I offered a fullsome response - was about environmentalism. The fact is that in answering it I gave you a fairly complete picture of my views on both. This shrill insistence on a yes/no response to your continuingly elastic questions is merely childish bullying - unlike and unworthy of you.

My essential point was those who insist on inflicting all such narrow views on others of a more independent and sceptical mind are narrow-minded prigs. The worst of them are those who insist on the eternal veracity and universal applicapility of one but not the other. They are, in addition blind hypocrites.

Into which of these two categories do you fit? A simple yes or no answer please.


Easy enough to go back and isolate what the initial subject was, george, and who changed that subject in the service of which rhetorical goal or strategy.
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xingu
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 10:25 am
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 05:48 pm
Interesting article, Xingu. Had missed the latest turns in the ABR (Anybody But Rudy) camp.

Could you not use the bold font, though? Its distracting and unnecessary..
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 06:37 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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Cycloptichorn


You are a nice, likeable guy, but you have a lot to learn.


Undoubtedly true. Same goes for me: I have a lot to learn still as well. For you, on the other hand, I'm sometimes afraid it's already too late...
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2007 08:27 am
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TPMtv: Meet the Four Horsemen of Rudy's Apocalypse
Maybe you love Rudy or maybe you hate him. But whatever you may think of him, check out his foreign policy team, because that's the key to knowing what to expect from a Rudy presidency. Especially for candidates with little or no foreign policy experience of their own, the folks advising the candidate are key. And Rudy's team is made up, more or less, of all the guys who were too nuts or too extreme to make the cut with George W. Bush. If you really, really want to go to war with Iran as soon as possible, vote Rudy. We run down the highlights and key bios in today's episode of TPMtv ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHfel3twH0w
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2007 05:53 pm
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2007 07:13 pm
nimh

Re another thread of yours from a while back...

Bush's approval now at 24%
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2007 07:46 am
blatham wrote:
nimh

Re another thread of yours from a while back...

Bush's approval now at 24%

24%? I've seen a Harris poll this week that had it at 27%, but I thought that was the lowest one out recently..

Variation is rather great at the moment, a new NPR poll has his job approval at 38%. But the consensus seems to be that it's in the low 30s; in other polls out this month so far, CBS has it at 30%, USA Today/Gallup at 32%, FOX at 35%, and AP-Ipsos at 31%.

There's a neat overview here at Pollingreport.com.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2007 07:50 am
Reuters/Zogby
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xingu
 
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Reply Sat 20 Oct, 2007 06:51 am
Onward, Christian Panderers

By Ted Rall

10/18/07 "ICH' -- -- WASHINGTON--A poll finds that 55 percent of Americans think the U.S. was created as a Christian theocracy. "The strong support for official recognition of the majority faith appears to be grounded in a belief that the United States was founded as a Christian nation, in spite of the fact that the Constitution nowhere mentions God or Christianity," says Charles Haynes of the First Amendment Center.

Sadly, these morons are allowed to vote. Tragically, one of them is a major presidential candidate. "The Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation," John McCain recently told an interviewer.

Here's an offer that an erstwhile front-running shoe-in, now low on cash, ought not to refuse. Senator McCain: If you can show me where the Constitution makes us a Christian nation, I'll donate $10,000 to your campaign. If you can't, please explain why we should trust your presidential oath to preserve, protect and defend a document you haven't read.

Lest you think McCain's comment was an isolated brainfart, check out his pandering morsel from the same interview: "We were founded as a nation on Judeo-Christian principles. There's very little debate about that."

Speaking of war criminals, Bush won 80 percent of the Christian fundamentalist voting bloc in 2004. (If they can show me where Jesus advocates the murder of hundreds of thousands of people, I've got another ten grand set aside.) This year, however, the Christian soldiers are in play, dissatisfied with the entire field of presidential candidates.

It's not for lack of sucking up.

Mitt Romney is one-upping McCain, misrepresenting Mormonism as well as the secular nature of American government. "The values of my faith are much like, or are identical to, the values of other faiths that have a Judeo-Christian philosophical background," he said in New Hampshire. "They're American values, if you will." Or if you won't. As The New York Times notes, "Mormons do not believe in the concept of the unified Trinity; the Book of Mormon is considered to be sacred text, alongside the Bible; and Mormons believe that God has a physical body and human beings can eventually become like God." Also, the Mormon Jesus will eventually return to Independence, Missouri. "Much like." Right.

McCain, Romney, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, Mike Huckabee, Sam Brownback have all signed up to address this week's right-wing Christian "Values Voter Summit." So has Democrat Bill Richardson. But when it comes to indulging the whims of Christianists, these guys have nothing on the Big Three Dems.

Hillary Clinton has hired an "evangelical consultant" to court the quarter of voters who tell pollsters that God favors the United States in foreign affairs. Barack Obama deploys evangelical imagery at campaign stops in the Bible Belt. At an evangelical church in Greenville, South Carolina, he said he wants to be an "instrument of God" and expressed confidence "we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth."

"That terminology," said the Rev. Welton Gaddy of the Interfaith Alliance, "has a very specific, indisputable definition that is exclusive rather than inclusive." On the campaign trail, Gaddy continued, Obama "has sounded precisely like George W. Bush."

Even John Edwards, the most reasonable person running, isn't above whoring his faith for votes. "I think that America is a nation of faith. I do believe that. Certainly by way of heritage--there's a powerful Christian thread through all of American history," he told BeliefNet. To his credit, he doesn't go as far as his opponents. Yet he can't bring himself to condemn prayer in public schools: "Allowing time for children to pray for themselves, to themselves, I think is not only okay, I think it's a good thing."

Between 10 and 14 percent of Americans are atheists. Devoting a "moment of silence" in schools sends a message to their children: you and your parents are out of step with American society.

If people want to believe in God, the Great Pumpkin, or a Jesus who lives in Missouri, that's up to them. But religion has no place in the public life of a democracy. None.

Right-wing Christians started questioning their support for the GOP last year, when former White House staffer David Kuo published "Tempting Faith," a bestselling book that revealed that Bush Administration officials privately ridiculed evangelicals and ignored them between elections. Bush betrayed "the millions of faithful Christians who put their trust and hope in the president and his administration," wrote Kuo, who was the White House's deputy director of the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives until 2003.

Who knew? Bush isn't all bad.

McCain, meanwhile, is getting ready to get soaked to score Christian votes. "I've had discussions with the pastor about [undergoing a full-immersion baptism] and we're still in conversation about it," he says.

Ted Rall is the author of the new book "Silk Road to Ruin: Is Central Asia the New Middle East?," an in-depth prose and graphic novel analysis of America's next big foreign policy challenge.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18581.htm
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Oct, 2007 09:35 am
blatham wrote:
nimh

Re another thread of yours from a while back...

Bush's approval now at 24%



HURRAH!
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 20 Oct, 2007 01:13 pm
Giuliani, Thompson, Romney, McCain, Huckabee, Tancredo, Hunter, even Ron Paul -- they were all there this weekend at the Values Voter Summit, put on by the Family Research Council, to ask the Religious Right for its vote.

In his speech, Huckabee showed himself to be most in touch with the religious fundies - and fuelled speculation about a possible third party run if Giuliani wins the Republican nomination:

Quote:
HUCKABEE SPEAKS IN TONGUES.

Huckabee came out swinging, which many assumed would happen, but it was an even far more aggressive, direct speech than I expected. While he didn't mention other candidates by name, he was clearly challenging their credibility with evangelical Christians. "I come to you not as one that comes to you, but as one that comes from you," he said. And later: "It's important that people sing from the hearts and don't just lip-sync the lyrics." The candidate they back should "speak in the mother tongue," he said, going on to cite numerous Biblical stories and verses to reaffirm his own ability to do so. David, Goliath, Elijah, Galilee, Jesus putting mud in the eyes of a blind man - he pounded out a sound-bite-sized recap of the Bible just to make it clear that he's still very much a Southern Baptist minister.

He's clearly making a case for evangelicals to endorse him for president, and possibly for them to run him as the third-party candidate should any of the other three win the nomination.

"I don't want expediency or electability to replace our vales. We live or die by those values," he said. "I want to make it very clear that I do not spell with 'G-O-D,' 'G-O-P.' Our party may be important, but our principles are even more important."

He also hit on the right subject areas - abortion, gay marriage, immigration, appointment of federal judges -- and was the only candidate to drop the word "Islamofascism" into his speech this weekend. He also got in some plugs for the need for energy independence and the reviving the American industrial sector to liberate us from China. And he wasn't shy about advocating the kinds of constitutional amendments these voters would like to see happen in regards to marriage and abortion:

"People say we don't want to amend the Constitution. Well, it was made to be amended ... I don't want to see people who are less willing to change the Constitution than they are to change the holy word of God."

The general buzz here is that Huckabee will win this afternoon's straw poll, which would be a big boost for his campaign. But far more important are the side meetings James Dobson and other leaders are conducting about the prospect of running a third-party candidate -- possibly Huckabee -- should an undesirable candidate win the nomination.
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