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Is this board anti-muslim?

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 04:38 pm
Consider Perplexed, if you will, and also maybe that Raul-7 guy.

Both Muslims.

Are they the same?

Don't we view each person <Muslim> differently? If you are anti-Muslim, you'd have to be a bigot. You'd be judging all by one stereotype.

However, if you are anti-Islam, you'd be against an ideology....

How would you address that?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 04:39 pm
BTW, nimh, highly appreciative of the nibble. I am looking forward to hearing how you think about this, in particular.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 04:47 pm
Lash wrote:
Consider Perplexed, if you will, and also maybe that Raul-7 guy.

Both Muslims.

Are they the same?

No.

Lash wrote:
Don't we view each person <Muslim> differently?

I'd hope so.

Lash wrote:
If you are anti-Muslim, you'd have to be a bigot. You'd be judging all by one stereotype.

However, if you are anti-Islam, you'd be against an ideology....

How would you address that?

Well, there's two possibilities I see from the top of my head here.

1) One is anti-Islam. There's a comma-period implied here; if you are anti-Islam, rather than, say, anti-Islamism or anti-fundamentalism, then you apparently consider the whole religion in itself to be the problem, not just some interpretation or current or other.

2) One accepts that each Muslim experiences and "enacts" Islam differently; and that some of those ways are highly harmful whereas other such ways are harmless.

That would however imply that Islam can, apparently, be a harmless force - depending on how its interpreted/used.

If one accepts that there are Muslims who experience and implement their belief in Islam in a harmless, possibly even benefitial way, then how can one still be anti-Islam, rather than just anti-dogmatist/fundamentalist Islam?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 04:50 pm
Did you see the excerpts from the Koran that I brought to Perplexed, as well as his response?

(That may have been on another thread.)
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 04:51 pm
This may explain it.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 05:18 pm
Lash wrote:
Would people concur that anti-religion means anti-Muslim?

(Interesting)


No. It would mean anti-religion
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 05:20 pm
That's what I thought, Trep. You wouldn't be holding out some special derision for Islam, you'd be an equal opportunity religion hater.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 05:24 pm
I hope you are not referring to me specifically. I don't hate anybody.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 05:25 pm
You beat me to it, Intrepid. I was going to say I think one would be hard-pressed to consider Intrepid to hate anyone.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 05:26 pm
No!!! I meant the royal "you". I mean you are a Christian. I had no idea you would have imagined I meant you.

Didn't. Smile

You are a player, not a hater.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 06:11 pm
nimh wrote:
Lash wrote:
Muslims haven't cornered the market on large, towel-looking headwear.

That might have been a reasonable argument if the word "towelhead" was indeed ever used to describe other people with towel-like gear on their head as well. As it stands, however, it is a label pretty much exclusively used to describe Muslims, and pejoratively so.

Lots of people in the ME wear that headgear, who aren't Muslim. All Arabs aren't Muslims, and all people wearing towelly headed accutriments aren't even necessarily Arab.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 06:12 pm
So facile with words, this Lash.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 06:15 pm
I'm sure everyone is impressed with your new word, but it doesn't fit in that sentence.

And, why show up and make this conversation small and personal. Do you have anything to contribute? Let's dispense with the sniping.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 06:19 pm
Hi Snood,

Ok, let me ask a question here, if I may. If one would use the term towelhead in regard to a Muslim, and many, if not most, Muslims consider this to be a racial slur, does that then mean that the person using the term is being discriminatory? I am not sure this question was ever completely answered.
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 06:22 pm
Lash wrote:
Consider Perplexed, if you will, and also maybe that Raul-7 guy.

Both Muslims.

Are they the same?

I'll flatter myself and imagine that a compliment, or at least complimentary Very Happy
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 06:32 pm
Lash wrote:
I'm sure everyone is impressed with your new word, but it doesn't fit in that sentence.

And, why show up and make this conversation small and personal. Do you have anything to contribute? Let's dispense with the sniping.
I was just thinking about how wrong I was about you, and how nice you really are, and here you are being rude to someone who was trying to pay you a compliment. So what if his english isn't perfect? Did you understand what he meant? If so, then what's wrong with it, the purpose of language is to communicate, not to follow grammatical rules, and he communicated his admiration for you.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 06:34 pm
Perplexed wrote:
Lash wrote:
I'm sure everyone is impressed with your new word, but it doesn't fit in that sentence.

And, why show up and make this conversation small and personal. Do you have anything to contribute? Let's dispense with the sniping.
I was just thinking about how wrong I was about you, and how nice you really are, and here you are being rude to someone who was trying to pay you a compliment. So what if his english isn't perfect? Did you understand what he meant? If so, then what's wrong with it, the purpose of language is to communicate, not to follow grammatical rules, and he communicated his admiration for you.

right √
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:00 pm
Perplexed.

Consult a dictionary.

Smile
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:20 pm
# Done or achieved with little effort or difficulty; easy. See Synonyms at easy.
# Working, acting, or speaking with effortless ease and fluency.

-from www.dictionary.com
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:21 pm
OK.

A different dictionary.
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