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Is this board anti-muslim?

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:24 pm
Lash wrote:
nimh wrote:
Lash wrote:
Muslims haven't cornered the market on large, towel-looking headwear.

That might have been a reasonable argument if the word "towelhead" was indeed ever used to describe other people with towel-like gear on their head as well. As it stands, however, it is a label pretty much exclusively used to describe Muslims, and pejoratively so.

Lots of people in the ME wear that headgear, who aren't Muslim. All Arabs aren't Muslims, and all people wearing towelly headed accutriments aren't even necessarily Arab.

I hope we can stay with the subject matter. It's getting VERY interesting. Maybe at some point, nimh will respond.
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:26 pm
An incorrect one?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:28 pm
Perplexed,

Perhaps this is what Snood meant by facile:

c : readily manifested and often lacking sincerity or depth <facile tears>

If it's not what he meant, I am sure he will tell you.
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:33 pm
Not only is that not the common meaning for the word (which makes me doubt that snood would know it) it makes no sense in context, considering that snood's post came immediately after a post of lash's saying something that snood would agree with!

Just take the compliment lash and stop being so snippy.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:34 pm
Nimh--

Indians.....sikhs..... There is an assortment of people who wear that headgear. No one group should consider it an affront.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:36 pm
Makes you doubt Snood would know it? ROFL! Hey, now, we're getting back on topic! Saying offensive things. (J/K Perplexed, I know you didn't mean it that way and I'm sure Snood knows that too.)

ROFL!
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:37 pm
Lash wrote:
Nimh--

Indians.....sikhs..... There is an assortment of people who wear that headgear. No one group should consider it an affront.
That's turbans, Towelhead, to me at least, refers to the kuffiyah, which indians and sihks do NOt wear.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:38 pm
But Lash, the point is NOT whether they should consider it an affront or not. The point is that some DO consider it an affront.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:40 pm
Lash wrote:
nimh wrote:
Lash wrote:
Muslims haven't cornered the market on large, towel-looking headwear.

That might have been a reasonable argument if the word "towelhead" was indeed ever used to describe other people with towel-like gear on their head as well. As it stands, however, it is a label pretty much exclusively used to describe Muslims, and pejoratively so.

Lots of people in the ME wear that headgear, who aren't Muslim. All Arabs aren't Muslims, and all people wearing towelly headed accutriments aren't even necessarily Arab.

Yup, there's non-Muslim, non-Arab people with towel-like gear on their head as well. But they're not the ones that the word "towelhead" is generally used against.

If a word is mostly used as a pejorative description of a certain, specific group, then that becomes the "load" it carries, even if its literal meaning could hypothetically also apply to other people.

Eg, it'd be hard to argue that "trailer trash" doesnt necessarily imply a putdown against poor, lower-class folks because you know, there's some rich people who own a trailer too (for daytrips or something).

Mind you, I give you this much: "towelhead" doesnt necessarily imply a religious slur (against Muslims), it could also be an ethnic slur (against Arabs/Middle Easterners). Dont think that helps the defence much tho ;-)

Wikipedia:
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Towelhead
(U.S.) anyone who wears a head turban. Derisively applied towards Middle Easterners and Muslims, but rarely applied against people who wear other types of turbans.
(Australia) wearers of religious headdress, particularly Sikhs.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:42 pm
Perplexed wrote:
Not only is that not the common meaning for the word (which makes me doubt that snood would know it) it makes no sense in context, considering that snood's post came immediately after a post of lash's saying something that snood would agree with!

Just take the compliment lash and stop being so snippy.

Trust us, Perplexed - it was not a compliment.

Snood + Lash = even more hostility than nimh + Lash. They do not like each other. ;-)
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:45 pm
nimh wrote:
Perplexed wrote:
Not only is that not the common meaning for the word (which makes me doubt that snood would know it) it makes no sense in context, considering that snood's post came immediately after a post of lash's saying something that snood would agree with!

Just take the compliment lash and stop being so snippy.

Trust us, Perplexed - it was not a compliment.

Snood + Lash = even more hostility than nimh + Lash. They do not like each other. ;-)


I beg to differ. I think they are secretly in love with each other.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:52 pm
facile:

3 a : READY, FLUENT <facile prose> b : POISED, ASSURED
synonym see EASY


-I know what I meant.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:55 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
But Lash, the point is NOT whether they should consider it an affront or not. The point is that some DO consider it an affront.


Very good point, MA. This is what escapes those who argue, for instance that Native Americans are silly to bridle at certain team mascot names. We don't get to tell them what they should and should not be offended at.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:58 pm

I read it, but I dont understand how it responds to my post?

The Qu'ran contains silly and cruel passages. So does the Bible. You can argue about which one has more or less, but the elementary fact is that, digging through these holy books, you can find plenty of evidence of evil-sounding teachings. Then again, you can also find plenty of kind and virtuous teachings.

Which brings us back to practice. Christianity is experienced and practiced in a range of ways. They range from yours to Momma's to that of the Nigerian Christians engaging themselves in revenge murder and mayhem. That makes it easy and necessary to criticize bad Christianity, but also kinda hard (for me, anyway) to be anti-Christianity, per se. After all, there are many Christians who take the Bible as their lead, yet do not implement its more cruel lessons or exhortations - and in fact let their belief in the Bible lead themselves to good deeds. And if there are indeed harmless ways to practice Christianity, why be anti-Christianity period?

If one acknowledges that there are harmless ways to practice Islam too, then the same goes for Islam. Ie, if one acknowledges that some Muslims experience and practice their belief in Islam in ways that are harmless or even benefitial, then it is obviously not Islam itself anymore thats the enemy - only the alternative experiences, interpretations and implementations of it that propone murder and mayhem. In that case you're no longer anti-Islam, but anti-the-wrong-kind-of-Islam.

If one maintains that Islam is an evil of and in itself, on the other hand, than how could one possibly still maintain that there's nothing wrong with this or that person being a Muslim? There's the crux, for if one believes there is something inherently wrong with someone believing in Islam - ie, with being a Muslim - than one is anti-Muslim, me thinks.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:58 pm
Heh, Kicky.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 07:58 pm
Thanx for clearing up what you meant by facile, Snood. I do appreciate that.

I just think we all need to keep in mind we all are human beings and that we all have feelings. Just because we can't see each other through this computer doesn't make us any less human.
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 08:14 pm
HAHA!!! I WAS RIGHT, I WAS RIGHT, YOU WERE WRONG AND I WAS RIGHT!! Razz

jk..... but I was...-
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 08:20 pm
Ok! Rolling Eyes Okay! Rolling Eyes But, I OWE YOU BIGTIME! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 08:22 pm
Anyone who has any history with snood knows EXACTLY what he meant. He's playing with you.
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Nimh-- If you don't get it after reading that--and reading Perplexed's response, I won't try to show you what I mean by this again. I think you imagine this to be a battle of the competing religions, so you're always trying to draw comparisons with Christianity. For such a "peaceful" seeming person, you are pretty ho-hum about all those calls to murder in the Koran.

I know the OT was quite rough--but the NT doesn't make any difference to you? It doesn't adequately disallow the violence? You refuse to seriously look at the Koran and those murderous passages and equate that with what is going on in the world? Why?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 08:26 pm
Remember what Christianity is. Its not Leviticus.
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