Is this board anti-muslim?

Perplexed wrote:

Wudu is different, I perform wudu before every prayer (I'll be honest, I only gave the page a quick glance, if it says something really out there let me know.

In performing wudu one washes their hands, mouth, nostrils, face, arms, hair, ears and feet, in order to clean their body to prepare for prayers. PRayers must be made in a clean place, and one's body must be clean, you don't go visit friends dirty and smelling bad do you? What better friend could there be than God?

I have no objections to wudu, and consider it a prerequisite to performing the ritual prayers.

Do you get it right?

I was really hoping you would give it more than a quick glance. There is no one thing that is way out. It is the whole set of wuhdu rules together that gets me. 108 rules, 7300 words describing how to wash face, hands, and feet in preparation to pray.

260. * As a precaution, at the time of wiping the foot, one should place one's hand on the toes and then draw it to the joint, or that one should place the hand on the joint and draw it to the toes. One should not simply place the whole hand on the foot , and pull it a little.

261. * While wiping one's hand and feet, it is necessary to move one's hand on them, and if the feet and head are moved leaving the hand stationary, Wudhu would be void. However, there is no harm if the head and feet move slightly, while the hand is be ing moved for wiping.

IMO the whole thing looks a lot more like ritualized mind control than hygiene or odor control.

Both Lash and Snood need to shut the hell up and drop it, or take it somewhere else.

First of all, how could you know that religion is such a bad-influence on humanity if you refeuse to talk to people about it?

Second, fine, don't respect Muhammad, doesn't affect me, but you could talk to ME with more respect, I certainly have done none of the things you blamed on him.

Also you're repeating yourself, damn near verbatim

And no setanta, I didn't make an "exhaustive search", I came here, posted in a few threads, started one, and the reaction and treatment I got led me to start this thread. I didn't look for statistical information, I went with what I felt after having spent a mere day on these boards.

It's hard NOT to be touchy, when one person comes and basically attacks me and my beliefs, and then another person comes and asks a question, it's hard to take my gaurd back down quick enough, I still FEEL attacked. I know it's not your fault or your problem, but please try to understand.

I've often wondered about wudu and the shi'ites. Is that why its necessary?

Perplexed wrote:

And no setanta, I didn't make an "exhaustive search", I came here, posted in a few threads, started one, and the reaction and treatment I got led me to start this thread. I didn't look for statistical information, I went with what I felt after having spent a mere day on these boards.

"A mere day"--good turn of phrase, and very telling in demonstrating just how big the chip on your shoulder is.

Both Lash and Snood need to shut the hell up and drop it, or take it somewhere else.

Don't bother him now, Lash, he's busy attempting to get a rise out of me . . . it's such a labored process on his part, i don't think it fair for you to interfer.

wow... just, wow..... when they were talkin about ffacing the Qibla I was like "okay, no big deal" then things got weird....

ummmmm, I'm not quite sure what to make of that, but suffice to say that there's no way I'm making that a habit! God made my body in such a way that it produces waste which must be released, it's part of the natural function of m body as God designed it and therefore it seems silly to worry so much about whether it makes my body impure, ESPECIALLY when one considers that inside my body there's quite a bit more! It says that something which touches something unclean becomes unclean, if my body's waste is unclean then I, for the entirety of my life, will always be unclean. Since that would make the commanded prayers impossible, this worry about our bodily functions must logically be unfounded.

What a very uncomfortable discsssion topic...

Once the Prophet, while passing through one of the grave-yards of Medina or Mecca heard the voices of two persons who were being tortured in their graves. The Prophet said, "These two persons are being tortured not for a major sin (to avoid)." The Prophet then added, "Yes! (they are being tortured for a major sin). Indeed, one of them never saved himself from being soiled with his urine while the other used to go about with calumnies (to make enmiy between friends).