Is this board anti-muslim?

Perplexed wrote:

There are many small differences, but the most important, to me, is very simple. I do not support violence (and I even have a broader view of what constitutes violence than most) towards non-violent persons, no matter what your reasons. If you die killing innocents, that does NOT make you a martyr, it makes you a dead murderer, and according to Islam (and I'd like to think all the other religons as well) murderers are harshly punished in the next life.

Indeed, that was the view I had gathered re Islam and murder, though I am disturbed at what I gather to be support of capital punishment, once guilt is established, and other harsh physical punishments in THIS life.

May I ask where you are from?

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I was born in Anaheim California.

And I'm against the death penalty too.

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Perplexed wrote:

I admit Lash's comparison of "Towelhead", a well known insult ridiculing the dress of middle easterners, and "you people" a plural second-person pronoun followed by a term refering to multiple human beings, less than convincing.... entirely un-convincing....... complete bullshit...

Bullshit to me, too. I don't compare them. I DO compare redneck and other such mild slang to towelhead, though. "Some people" was just convenient.

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However, I don't think you are allowed to say "you people," but only if you are addressing black people.... isn't that right?

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kickycan wrote:

Aaaah, the old towelhead discussion again.

I love it when Lash explains her feelings about how the word towelhead is harmless. She succeeds in convincing no one but herself everytime, and that seems to be enough for her.

That's beautiful ****.

Yup - classic.

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Perplexed wrote:

I was born in Anaheim California.

And I'm against the death penalty too.

But Islam specifically is not, I gather?

As opposed to how I read christianity, which makes me unable to comprehend self professed christians who support it, but so it goes.

I am intrigued that you believe in miracles like divine dictation of the Koran, but do not feel you need to follow dictates about capital punishment.

It sounds as though Muslims, like Christians, pick and choose which bits of "holy writ" to attend to?

I am wondering, if you still live in the US, how you are experiencing prejudice post September 11th?

I know that ignorant bigots have made life awful sometimes for Muslim people here.

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snood wrote:

kickycan wrote:
Aaaah, the old towelhead discussion again.

I love it when Lash explains her feelings about how the word towelhead is harmless. She succeeds in convincing no one but herself everytime, and that seems to be enough for her.

That's beautiful ****.

Yup - classic.

You're one to talk.

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Perplexed wrote:

Wudu is different, I perform wudu before every prayer (I'll be honest, I only gave the page a quick glance, if it says something really out there let me know.

In performing wudu one washes their hands, mouth, nostrils, face, arms, hair, ears and feet, in order to clean their body to prepare for prayers. PRayers must be made in a clean place, and one's body must be clean, you don't go visit friends dirty and smelling bad do you? What better friend could there be than God?

I have no objections to wudu, and consider it a prerequisite to performing the ritual prayers.

Do you get it right?

I was really hoping you would give it more than a quick glance. There is no one thing that is way out. It is the whole set of wuhdu rules together that gets me. 108 rules, 7300 words describing how to wash face, hands, and feet in preparation to pray.

260. * As a precaution, at the time of wiping the foot, one should place one's hand on the toes and then draw it to the joint, or that one should place the hand on the joint and draw it to the toes. One should not simply place the whole hand on the foot , and pull it a little.

261. * While wiping one's hand and feet, it is necessary to move one's hand on them, and if the feet and head are moved leaving the hand stationary, Wudhu would be void. However, there is no harm if the head and feet move slightly, while the hand is be ing moved for wiping.

IMO the whole thing looks a lot more like ritualized mind control than hygiene or odor control.

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Lash wrote:

snood wrote:
kickycan wrote:
Aaaah, the old towelhead discussion again.

I love it when Lash explains her feelings about how the word towelhead is harmless. She succeeds in convincing no one but herself everytime, and that seems to be enough for her.

That's beautiful ****.

Yup - classic.

You're one to talk.

How so, dearest?

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I think Muslims are wonderful people.
However, I believe that fascist Jihaddi Arab Islamic Wahhabist terrorist sick fanatics are not good people.
We should all get along.
Just stop cutting people's heads off.
Please.
Rolling Eyes

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snood wrote:

Lash wrote:
snood wrote:
kickycan wrote:
Aaaah, the old towelhead discussion again.

I love it when Lash explains her feelings about how the word towelhead is harmless. She succeeds in convincing no one but herself everytime, and that seems to be enough for her.

That's beautiful ****.

Yup - classic.

You're one to talk.

How so, dearest?

You win the Racist Term Sweepstakes by a mile.

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Is this board anti-muslim? appears to be the question at hand. I would answer, Yes of course it is, just as it should be, anti-muslim/anti-christian and anti-jewish. In simple terms anti-Abraham. It's long past time for civilization to become civilized.

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If we can get back to Islam, and I see the subject has been broached, I'd like to know how Perplexed reconciles himself with the passages in the Koran, that condone violence and murder against non-Muslims, or those, who insult Mohammad?

And, Perplexed, my question isn't an "attack mode" question. This has been my biggest problem with Islam. Maybe you know something that would make me see it differently...some later passage that says "BTW, don't pay any attention to all that 'kill the Jews' rhetoric in Chapter Three..."

At this point, I am receptive to your related comments, though I will question them. The questions will be fair.

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Lash wrote:

snood wrote:
Lash wrote:
snood wrote:
kickycan wrote:
Aaaah, the old towelhead discussion again.

I love it when Lash explains her feelings about how the word towelhead is harmless. She succeeds in convincing no one but herself everytime, and that seems to be enough for her.

That's beautiful ****.

Yup - classic.

You're one to talk.

How so, dearest?

You win the Racist Term Sweepstakes by a mile.

But I don't understand what you mean, dear. If you're not just blathering meaningless references to something I am supposed to have said/done and hoping everyone will just take your innuendo at face value, give us some specifics. What are you talking about?

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dyslexia wrote:

Is this board anti-muslim? appears to be the question at hand. I would answer, Yes of course it is, just as it should be, anti-muslim/anti-christian and anti-jewish. In simple terms anti-Abraham. It's long past time for civilization to become civilized.

No it was aunty Sarah, UNCLE Abraham...get a grip man.

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snood,

You haven't called Condi and Colin a melange of racially insulting words? You don't have big, negative views against whites as a monolithic group?

You've been so outspoken about these two issues, I find it hard to imagine you'd try to step away from them.

And this was notable.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=283252#283252

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I'm under the impression that I've never singled out a person, due to their RACE, or a race in general, for widespread condemnation or sweeping criticism. If you know of where I have done this, I'll admit it, apologize and never point out anyone else's racism.

Do understand that religions and terrorists and France do not fall in the categories of a race.

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Lash wrote:

... If you know of where I have done this, I'll admit it, apologize and never point out anyone else's racism. Do understand that religions and terrorists and France do not fall in the categories of a race.

Thats 1/2 glass of Valpolicella spilled Lash Smile

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Okay, Lash, my precious, let's play "Racist, racist - who's the most racist?" (I think best case can be made about you, but that's just my humble opinion).

I said this to one poster on another thread:

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I just think you're another arrogant white man with a warped idea of his own importance.

then sofia/Lash/whoever asked this:

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Would he be less aggravating if he were black, but had the same views?
A sincere question.

Was wondering why you threw his race in the discussion.

So then I said:

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Oh, that's a fair question... It's my personal opinion that a lot of unnecessary hardship and oppression in this world is caused by arrogant white men, moreso than by any other single demographic

Then I added that I know that wouldn't be a popular opinion, but I wanted cool points for honesty.

Lash/Sofia/whoever is trying to paint me as a worse perpetrator of racial verbiage than is she.

Oh yea - she also referred to things I've said about Colin and Condie. And yes, I do consider them pretty totally sold out black people.

Lash tries to defend calling Muslim/Arabs "towelheads". I also think I remember her trying to make the case that taking offense at the word "nigger" is sort of silly.

So okay, judges - "Racist, racist - who's the most racist?"

I await the judges decision all trembly and nailbiting...

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snood wrote:

Oh yea - she also referred to things I've said about Colin and Condie. And yes, I do consider them pretty totally sold out black people.

Washed out surely?

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