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Liberalism is Not Conducive to Happiness

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 09:40 am
(I don't think she picked up the irony...)
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 09:41 am
Sure I did. But I like to think the best of people and will take what they say at face value. Smile
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 09:43 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Well the fact remains FD, that its the liberals, who don't express observable happiness,


That's incorrect. If you read the study you'd see that the options are "very happy", "pretty happy", and "not happy". The majority of Americans fall into "pretty happy". They don't say how many Democrats and Independents (who score roughly the same on the "very happy" scale) chose "pretty happy" but I think it's a safe assumption judging by the general population that more people would choose "pretty happy" than "very happy". So both Democrats and Independents DO express observable happiness, just not the maximum happiness that Republicans express.

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who do tend to attack, criticize, take issue with, etc. the conservative members rather than express why they think the thesis of the thread is inaccurate. In other words, they are mostly trying to make the conservatives look unhappy and miserable as if that somehow makes the thesis go away.


Observing the irony of one of our more sour members (sorry again, McG) posting a thread about how their opponents are miserable is not the same as trying to make conservatives look unhappy -- though that's exactly what the "thesis" does.

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I don't know whether Nimh is happy or not and would not presume to make that judgment. I do know his postings directed at conservatives do not reflect what I would define as happy views. I'm sure the liberals think he is terrific because he doesn't do that to them.


Actually, he does. Most posters respect him because he tends to reside in the "fact-based community" and he keeps us honest and doesn't allow our sloppy reasoning to go unchecked when there are facts that contradict us. He is almost never personal about it. I'm sorry that you don't take it that way. I don't know what a "happy view" is unless you mean blindly optimistic and partisan. (Sorry, I couldn't think of another way to phrase that.)

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I will admit that I worded my quoted comment in a way that does appear to be judgmental. I can't take it back because I do believe it is true. But, I'll try to watch that better.


No need. Be judgmental if you want to, I am at times. Without judgment, what do we have? I just understand that when I express said judgments I can't claim the high ground.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 09:50 am
nimh wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
That you feel the need to deride my posts as smug or snarly while at the same time refusing to make equal comments on Bears, Dys's, Kickycans, and so many others here

Nonsense McG, I've taken on liberal counterparts of yours plenty of times too, and you know it (and so does Fox). (That includes Bear, tho I'd say your counteroparts otherwise are rather Anon or Amigo than Dys.)

Funny thing though: whoever you take on, they will always whine that the other side does it too, and why dont you say something about them? And then when you do, those people in turn will say, well look at the others, they do it too, why dont you...! Its kinda like the cop who will always be told, whether he takes on speeders or bicycle thieves, "shouldnt you be out catching real criminals?"

My bad side: I'm an anal corrector of erroneousnesses; and I tend to lecture to people who behave inanely.

My good side: I'm an equal opportunity provider of those traits. So no reason for the victim mentality to rear its whiny head.


If you look through my posts, I have very rarely commented on posters unless they have decided to start with me. I have also implemented a strict ignore policy for some users despite the bait they use. Some people here though I can't ignore because they do make for interesting conversation. Take Setanta for example. I generally despise everything he writes, but because I know that he is intelligent and well spoken I read what he writes because 1 out 5 posts is damn intresting. He has an almost polar opposite view from me and I find that fascinating. Same with Frank Apisa, Bi-Polar bear and yourself and many others.

I take exception though when someone tries to call me on a statement I have written or a stance I have taken. I wouldn't go through the trouble of making so many posts if I didn't believe I had something to say or if it didn't express a point of view I agreed with. We don't agree on stuff. I accept that. But, that does not invalidate my opinion or make them "range from snarly to smug". It means we have a difference of opinion on how we veiw world events and those commenting on them.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 09:54 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Well the fact remains FD, that its the liberals, who don't express observable happiness, who do tend to attack, criticize, take issue with, etc. the conservative members rather than express why they think the thesis of the thread is inaccurate.

Thats not a fact, thats perception.

I think pretty much everyone in this thread - the couple of you conservatives most definitely included - has been largely hecklish, putdowning, judgemental and generally unpleasant.

Probably, then, has more to do with the thread than with liberals or conservatives. Or it has to do with people who post in Politics (also well possible).

Your posts, for one, mostly fit your own description, having overwhelmingly focused on "attacking, criticizing, taking issue with, etc. the liberal members", and definitely expressing little "observable happiness". Pissy is the word that comes to mind, actually. Here are a few taken each from a different post of yours here:

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run through all the posts from admitted liberals in the last few months and even those who won't admit they're liberal [..] and you find: sniping/insults/name calling/innuendo/contempt/ridicule/condecension, etc. directed by liberals to conservatives. Incidents of this going the other way are infrequent.


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Okay liberals or semi-liberals. So far most of you have offered absolutely nothing to the discussion but criticism or sniping at the conservatives.


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You're claiming you're happy while posting nothing but unhappiness.


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All you have done in your post is three (angry and bashing) statements about what makes conservatives unhappy


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Okay there's one thing that makes liberals happy: Seeing people getting discredited.


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It is mostly conservatives who are looking at possibile solutions to existing problems and projecting a better way to get it done while it is mostly liberals who are wringing their hands, taking up their protest signs, gnashing their teeth that there is a problem, and crying 'the sky is falling!"


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Isn't it a hoot that those who are most angry, critical, judgmental are obviously the most bothered [..]? And in typical liberal fashion, the only ammunition they have to deal with it is to try to make others look worse.


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its the liberals, who don't express observable happiness, who do tend to attack, criticize, take issue with, etc. the conservative members rather than express why they think the thesis of the thread is inaccurate.


Yes, it's a "hoot". That's the main observable happiness in your posts: to hoot at how ridiculous and evil liberal board members are in your eyes. You fit right into this thread, in that respect. The irony in your and McG's case is that you are behaving just like you say liberals behave - in a thread purporting to argue that conservatives are just, you know, so much happier than all that.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 09:57 am
It's hard to make art when you only have garbage to work with Nimh.

(That made me happy.)
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 09:58 am
And I herewith now officially declare this thread a food fight!

It was bound to become one from the start, of course.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 10:02 am
http://www.123presents.com/images/pie-in-face.jpg
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 10:06 am
Rotten tomato, coming your way....
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 10:10 am
<looking in, expecting lots of happy people>

...

<ducks the rotten tomato>
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 10:11 am
http://www.baboonland.com/images/ff1.jpg
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 10:11 am
Okay, as taking quotes out of context seems to be ammunition in this food fight, here are a few of Nimh's coming your way:

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Yes, his personal observations are part of what I dubbed "(gratuitous) interpretation".


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You sound awfully angry, accusatory and dissatisfied there Fox


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In fact, my guess is that your experience of your liberal fellow-posters sounding angry, bitter and snide - and their experience of you sounding exactly the same - has a lot to do with hanging out near exclusively on US Politics threads. American politics is simply extremely polarised and bitter at this time, and the posts in the threads about it reflect that


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In fact, my guess is that your experience of your liberal fellow-posters sounding angry, bitter and snide - and their experience of you sounding exactly the same - has a lot to do with hanging out near exclusively on US Politics threads. American politics is simply extremely polarised and bitter at this time, and the posts in the threads about it reflect that


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That basically reduces his column to another exercise in liberal-bashing/baiting - "philosophical discussion" it's not.


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Oh, not necessarily bad ... just perpetually resentful and smug. Never just ... happy.

OK, bad.


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As for me, when I look at a conservative like McG who actually posted this article - or at you, say, for example - I dont actually see you "very happy" much at all - gleeful or smug, often enough, but not just happy. There's a bunch of lefties for whom the same goes, mind you. But re: this thread, there's a certain irony in hearing someone who doesnt, here at least, ever seem to be very happy him/herself, gloat about an article that shows that, well, at least many of his fellow conservatives are apparently happier than those damn liberals who annoy him/her so much all the time


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Ah yes, "but its about the big picture!" - the last resort for those who dont care to get their facts straight.


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Thats a nice quote from someone best known for copy/pasting angry, resentful, mocking or self-righteous articles into new threads ... anyone, when's the last time you heard McG say something genuinely, carefreely happy? Not gleeful or vindicated or ridiculing or smug, but just, simply - happy?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 10:12 am
And now I am out the door. Back later. Play nice everybody.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 10:13 am
Oops, sorry Old Europe, didnt mean to hit you...


<ducks>


http://www.bbspot.com/Images/comics/fuzzy_logic/2001/20010614.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 10:20 am
That really was ongelukkig, nimh!
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 10:20 am
Okay, it seems to be out of the question to insult either conservatives or liberals on this thread, so I'll try a different approach:

Why are you Americans so obsessed with this whole happiness thingy? I mean, I know of no other country where people go like "Hey, WE are the happy party! Your party is soooooo lame and, uh, serious...!"

I mean, what is this all about?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 10:21 am
Laughing
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 10:22 am
(Maybe the debates prior to the elections should be replaced with joke-telling contests, hum?)

(Americans. Weird me out.)
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 10:29 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
That really was ongelukkig, nimh!

Oh, was it you I hit instead? Thats ok, then... :wink:
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 10:31 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Okay, as taking quotes out of context seems to be ammunition in this food fight, here are a few of Nimh's coming your way

Yeah, but I'm not the one arguing that I found a thesis that proves that 'my side' is happier, Fox! :wink:
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