Liberalism is Not Conducive to Happiness

No, I'm asking you to read the quote or listen to the quote yourself and think for yourself based on common sense? It has nothing to do with Hannity. Forget Hannity. Forget your own biases based on who repeats the quote. They are not the issue here. Concerning the quote, forget the 911 committee. They can't change what Clinton said. Don't try to change the quote. Take it for what it says and forget what all the Clinton defenders spin the situation now.

so I think he would have jumped at the chance to "bring him here" if he was available to bring here via the Taliban. Doing it via the battlefield as we've discussed would not have been a viable option at the point in time before 911.

Probably because the Taliban didn't offer to release him to the U.S., but I am not familiar with this event. Can you provide some links or evidence. It seems I've read a little bit that Bush instructed his people to formulate some alternatives to deal with Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan in the first months of his administration before 911, so I think he would have jumped at the chance to "bring him here" if he was available to bring here via the Taliban. Doing it via the battlefield as we've discussed would not have been a viable option at the point in time before 911. If he had the opportunity to have him forked over to us in some other manner, can you provide evidence of this?

As far as the above quote, Bush made no statement to the effect that he chose not to bring him here, because we had no basis on which to hold him. If he had made such a statement, it would of course imply that he had been offered an opportunity to do that IF he had a basis to hold him. Simple logic.

okie wrote:

Probably because the Taliban didn't offer to release him to the U.S., but I am not familiar with this event. Can you provide some links or evidence. It seems I've read a little bit that Bush instructed his people to formulate some alternatives to deal with Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan in the first months of his administration before 911, so I think he would have jumped at the chance to "bring him here" if he was available to bring here via the Taliban. Doing it via the battlefield as we've discussed would not have been a viable option at the point in time before 911. If he had the opportunity to have him forked over to us in some other manner, can you provide evidence of this?

As far as the above quote, Bush made no statement to the effect that he chose not to bring him here, because we had no basis on which to hold him. If he had made such a statement, it would of course imply that he had been offered an opportunity to do that IF he had a basis to hold him. Simple logic.

Now I see your circular reasoning. The outside evidence proves there was an offer in Clinton's statement and Clinton's statement proves the other evidence of the offer.

This isn't a case of Clinton's words prove the offer. This is a case of false logic. What else is new?

I have always felt this to be true.

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Liberalism is Not Conducive to Happiness
By George Will


A survey by the Pew Research Center shows that conservatives are happier than liberals -- in all income groups. While 34 percent of all Americans call themselves ``very happy,'' only 28 percent of liberal Democrats (and 31 percent of moderate or conservative Democrats) do, compared to 47 percent of conservative Republicans. This finding is niftily self-reinforcing: It depresses liberals.

If conservatives are so happy & well adjusted how come they have the highest divorce rate in the land. I would think that all that happiness would cause them to have the happiest marriages this side of Timbuktu.

Magginkat wrote:

If conservatives are so happy & well adjusted how come they have the highest divorce rate in the land. I would think that all that happiness would cause them to have the happiest marriages this side of Timbuktu.

Can you provide a link or evidence to support this assertion.

I won't doubt your figures if they are legitimate, but what group of people is more liberal than movie stars, and how many times do they get married on average?

Magginkat wrote:

If conservatives are so happy & well adjusted how come they have the highest divorce rate in the land. I would think that all that happiness would cause them to have the happiest marriages this side of Timbuktu.

Can you provide a link or evidence to support this assertion.

I won't doubt your figures if they are legitimate, but what group of people is more liberal than movie stars, and how many times do they get married on average?

Probably because the Taliban didn't offer to release him to the U.S., but I am not familiar with this event. Can you provide some links or evidence. It seems I've read a little bit that Bush instructed his people to formulate some alternatives to deal with Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan in the first months of his administration before 911, so I think he would have jumped at the chance to "bring him here" if he was available to bring here via the Taliban. Doing it via the battlefield as we've discussed would not have been a viable option at the point in time before 911. If he had the opportunity to have him forked over to us in some other manner, can you provide evidence of this?

As far as the above quote, Bush made no statement to the effect that he chose not to bring him here, because we had no basis on which to hold him. If he had made such a statement, it would of course imply that he had been offered an opportunity to do that IF he had a basis to hold him. Simple logic.

okie wrote:

Magginkat wrote:

If conservatives are so happy & well adjusted how come they have the highest divorce rate in the land. I would think that all that happiness would cause them to have the happiest marriages this side of Timbuktu.

Can you provide a link or evidence to support this assertion.

I won't doubt your figures if they are legitimate, but what group of people is more liberal than movie stars, and how many times do they get married on average?

okie, dude, what is your preoccupation with hollywood and movie stars ?

i really don't get it. most of the people that i know and work with are decent, hardworking and caring people.

so what's yer beef ?

You haven't provided any supported evidence that Clinton was offered Bin Laden. If a Taliban leader was to come forward to say he offered to broker a deal to send Bin Laden to Bush would that be enough proof?

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

okie wrote:

Magginkat wrote:

If conservatives are so happy & well adjusted how come they have the highest divorce rate in the land. I would think that all that happiness would cause them to have the happiest marriages this side of Timbuktu.

Can you provide a link or evidence to support this assertion.

I won't doubt your figures if they are legitimate, but what group of people is more liberal than movie stars, and how many times do they get married on average?

okie, dude, what is your preoccupation with hollywood and movie stars ?

i really don't get it. most of the people that i know and work with are decent, hardworking and caring people.

so what's yer beef ?

Did I say I had a preoccupation? Relax, I simply made an observation about an obviously liberal group of people that might provide a clue about political leanings vs. divorce rates. I am genuinely curious about any statistic available for liberals vs. conservative divorce rates. I haven't recieived an answer. Roxxxanne said rates are much higher in red states, but I didn't see any backup link, and still we don't know who in the red states have the highest rates. She may be correct, but I would like to see the source for it.

November 3, 2005

**** the South. **** 'em. We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves - yeah, those are states we want to keep.

And now what do we get? We're the ******* Arrogant Northeast Liberal Elite? How about this for arrogant: the South is the Real America? The Authentic America. Really?

Cause we ******* founded this country, assholes. Those Founding Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bullshit about what you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you didn't bother to read the first half of the ******* sentence? Who do you think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They were ******* blue-staters, dickhead. Boston? Philadelphia? New York? Hello? Think there might be a reason all the ******* monuments are up here in our backyard?

No, No. Get the **** out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty Bell and ******* Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments. Who do you think those ******* stripes on the flag are for? Nine are for ******* blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten their ******* Subarus together and broken off from New York a little earlier. Get it? We started this ****, so don't get all uppity about how real you are you Johnny-come-lately "Oooooh I've been a state for almost a hundred years" dickheads. **** off.

Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being ******* arrogant? What's more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies? I don't think so. Arrogance is the ******* cornerstone of what it means to be American. And I wouldn't be so ******* arrogant if I wasn't paying for your ******* bridges, bitch.

All those Federal taxes you love to hate? It all comes from us and goes to you, so shut up and enjoy your ******* Tennessee Valley Authority electricity and your fancy highways that we paid for. And the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane you can come crying to us if you want to, but you're the ones who built on a ******* swamp. "Let the Spanish keep it, it's a shithole," we said, but you had to have your ******* orange juice.

The next dickwad who says, "It's your money, not the government's money" is gonna get their ass kicked. Nine of the ten states that get the most federal ******* dollars and pay the least... can you guess? Go on, guess. That's right, ************, they're red states. And eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It's too easy, asshole, they're blue states. It's not your money, assholes, it's ******* our money. What was that Real American Value you were spouting a minute ago? Self reliance? Try this for self reliance: buy your own ******* stop signs, assholes.

Let's talk about those values for a ******* minute. You and your Southern values can bite my ass because the blue states got the values over you ******* Real Americans every day of the goddamn week. Which state do you think has the lowest divorce rate you marriage-hyping dickwads? Well? Can you guess? It's ******* Massachusetts, the ******* center of the gay marriage universe. Yes, that's right, the state you love to tie around the neck of anyone to the left of Strom Thurmond has the lowest divorce rate in the ******* nation. Think that's just some aberration? How about this: 9 of the 10 lowest divorce rates are ******* blue states, asshole, and most are in the Northeast, where our values suck so bad. And where are the highest divorce rates? Care to ******* guess? 10 of the top 10 are ******* red-ass we're-so-*******-moral states. And while Nevada is the worst, the Bible Belt is doing its ******* part.

But two guys making out is going to ******* ruin marriage for you? Yeah? Seems like you're ruining it pretty well on your own, you little bastards. Oh, but that's ok because you go to church, right? I mean you do, right? Cause we ******* get to hear about it every goddamn year at election time. Yes, we're fascinated by how you get up every Sunday morning and sing, and then you're ******* towers of moral superiority. Yeah, that's a workable formula. Maybe us ******* Northerners don't talk about religion as much as you because we're not so busy sinning, hmmm? Ever think of that, you self-righteous assholes? No, you're too busy erecting giant stone tablets of the Ten Commandments in buildings paid for by the ******* Northeast Liberal Elite. And who has the highest murder rates in the nation? It ain't us up here in the North, assholes.

Well this gravy train is ******* over. Take your liberal-bashing, federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou, hypocritical bullshit and shove it up your ass.

And no, you can't have your ******* convention in New York next time. **** off.

There is no obligation to provide a link for every statement. Want to play games, go play with your kids.

parados wrote:

You haven't provided any supported evidence that Clinton was offered Bin Laden. If a Taliban leader was to come forward to say he offered to broker a deal to send Bin Laden to Bush would that be enough proof?

I did provide some links that indicated evidence a page or pages back. As far as a Taliban leader coming forward, it would not provide proof but if other evidence existed such as statements by Bush himself that virtually admitted the same, then yes it would need to be taken seriously as a piece of the puzzle that would make it appear very likely that such did happen.