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Liberalism is Not Conducive to Happiness

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Sat 4 Mar, 2006 04:32 pm
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. "
- H. L. Mencken

Could you possibly be referrring to all the feverish talk, paranoia, "documentaries", college and high school teacher lectures (indoctrination), about George Bush, the Patriot Act, domestic spying, etc. etc. etc. etc.?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 4 Mar, 2006 04:46 pm
Nope, that's your skewed spin on it.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Sat 4 Mar, 2006 04:48 pm
Yes and the Republicans are equally guilty of doing the same thing, okie.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 4 Mar, 2006 05:05 pm
okie wrote:
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. "
- H. L. Mencken

Could you possibly be referrring to all the feverish talk, paranoia, "documentaries", college and high school teacher lectures (indoctrination), about George Bush, the Patriot Act, domestic spying, etc. etc. etc. etc.?


It appears you can't tell the difference between politicians and citizens okie.

There is a big difference between a politician saying there is an outside threat and only he can save us and the citizenry saying the politicians are a threat.

Mencken was refering to the former.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 4 Mar, 2006 05:30 pm
Exactly. Spin and get dizzy (if you weren't already)!
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 09:13 pm
parados wrote:
okie wrote:
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. "
- H. L. Mencken

Could you possibly be referrring to all the feverish talk, paranoia, "documentaries", college and high school teacher lectures (indoctrination), about George Bush, the Patriot Act, domestic spying, etc. etc. etc. etc.?


It appears you can't tell the difference between politicians and citizens okie.

There is a big difference between a politician saying there is an outside threat and only he can save us and the citizenry saying the politicians are a threat.

Mencken was refering to the former.


I read the Mencken quote and thought it fit pretty well the demonizing of George Bush by Democrats, so that they can save us from the evil George Bush, Karl Rove, and Dick Cheney after the next election if only we would all vote for them. I did not read anything in the quote about an "outside threat." I read something about a "hobgoblin" whatever that is, I guess some kind of frightening boogeyman or something. I think its humorous, as it appears this term is popping up with more frequency now. Every once in a while, the Democrats come up with a new talking point or term to use, and before long you are inundated with the new term or phrase. It is really comical, but very transparent.

If a hobgoblin is supposed to signify some imaginary threat that Bush dreamed up, I guess the terrorists really don't exist, they are just a figment of our imagination. I guess we are supposed to think like the Hollywood leftists, only bad things happen in movies. 911 really did not happen. Nuclear weapons do not exist. Etc. etc. etc. etc.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 08:03 am
I am beginning to realize that even reading the Bush cultist delusions that are posted here is a complete waste of time.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 08:44 am
okie..

lets see..

Yellow cake from Nigeria? Didn't exist
Nukes in Iraq? didn't exist
Chemical Weapons in Iraq? didn't exist
Connection between OBL and Saddam? didn't exist
Tubes can only be used for Nuclear centrifuges? wasn't true
Mobile labs that can make chemical weapons? didn't exist
Raise the terror level? Seemed to happen at political opportune times.
Releasing classified information is a threat to national security? It wasn't when the WH leaked the name of a CIA agent that worked on WMD.

I see a number of things that Bush claimed that have turned out to not exist or not be the threat he claimed. Hobgoblins, okie. Nothing but Hobgoblins. Hobgoblins work best when they have some semblence of truth to them.

Hobgoblins live in your closet okie. They leave dust around your room. You have to admit there is dust in your room. It proves that the hobgoblin exists. You must have been a great child to tease because you are so gullible.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 09:29 am
okie wrote:
If a hobgoblin is supposed to signify some imaginary threat that Bush dreamed up, I guess the terrorists really don't exist, they are just a figment of our imagination.

Terrorists really do exist. But as a threat to the lives of Americans, they are trivial compared to traffic accidents, high blood pressure, swimming pools, and similarly lethal menaces. Yet Mr. Bush is selling terrorism as an enormously severe danger -- so severe that it's worth compromising Americans' liberties for their defense against it. It is the magnitude of the terrorist threat, not its mere existence, that serves as the administration's hobgoblin here.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 09:39 am
Quote:
Every once in a while, the Democrats come up with a new talking point or term to use, and before long you are inundated with the new term or phrase. It is really comical, but very transparent.


Sheesh, just the Democrats do this?

Thomas,

I saw the esteemable Jon Stewart on Larry King this past Saturday night; and when asked about the Dubai deal and the apparent trouble the American people had with it, he stated that:

Quote:
So, I'm not exactly sure what that -- I know that it sounds bad. I know that if, you know, in America today it's as though somebody has stoked fear in this country. I don't know who that might have been but it appears that the country is poised to react, let's say reflexively with a certain xenophobic zeal.


How accurately put, I thought.

Cycloptichorn
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 09:51 am
okie wrote:
I never took Prozac. I'm not on anything, even when Clinton was in office. I will admit I sleep a little better at night knowing we have adults in the White House now. We don't have people cavorting with and giving away nuclear technology to the Indonesian mafia and Chinese Military in exchange for campaign funds and who knows what else. Instead of Prozac, I listened to Rush and then went fishin and camping and forgot about it all.

P. S. No wonder some of the posts here don't make sense here if the libs are all on pot. I should have known that.
Shocked Load the bong Drunk I need a drink.

How come all the people that should be on drugs aren't?
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:01 am
Thomas wrote:
okie wrote:
If a hobgoblin is supposed to signify some imaginary threat that Bush dreamed up, I guess the terrorists really don't exist, they are just a figment of our imagination.

Terrorists really do exist. But as a threat to the lives of Americans, they are trivial compared to traffic accidents, high blood pressure, swimming pools, and similarly lethal menaces. Yet Mr. Bush is selling terrorism as a threat so severe that Americans should sacrifice some of their liberties to their defense against it. It is the magnitude of the terrorist threat, not its mere existence, that serves as the administration's hobgoblin here.


Thomas, you really can't be serious? You compare terrorists to traffic accidents, high blood pressure, and swimming pools? Chemical and biological weapons do not exist? Nuclear weapons and the possible suitcase nuclear weapon are not threats? Anthrax and other similar agents are not a very real possibility? Terrorist networks openly vow the extermination of western civilization, and have amply demonstrated the seriousness of their claims, and yet you classify this as merely a nuisance problem compared to "traffic accidents, high blood pressure, and swimming pools."

I do not sit around shaking in fear of terrorists, and I do not think very many people do, but most intelligent people would classify the problem as potentially far worse than "traffic accidents, high blood pressure, and swimming pools." To pass off the problem as trivial strikes me as really wearing blinders for sure, and living in a state of denial. Such a mindset is dangerous, and is one of the reasons that the "world" is not doing enough to unite against the growing clouds of much worse trouble. I would compare such an attitude roughly to the attitude of the world toward Hitler before he wreaked the havoc that he did. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, and if more people would wake up to realize the magnitude of the problem now, then more positive measures would take place. The statements you make about the seriousness of terrorism really demonstrates the heart of the problem that we have here and around the world in coming to grips with the problem and doing enough about it.

One other observation about "traffic accidents, high blood pressure, and swimming pools" is the fact that they are mostly self induced or self caused. Most of us are willing to accept the risks that we ourselves impose upon ourselves, plus the fact we know that we all eventually die of something similar to high blood pressure, maybe just old age if we make it that far, after all the human body is not absolutely perfect in terms of being perfectly healthy. It is quite another matter when other people vow the destruction of our entire society, something which we have no decision or say about. To compare the two methods of dying is not a very appropriate comparison. Perhaps statistically, more Jews have died from high blood pressure throughout history than by being thrown in ovens by the Nazis, so I suppose Hitler really was not any worse than high blood pressure? Thomas, I really would think you would need to rethink such a silly assertion.

P.S. I am not worried about my liberties being taken away. Now that is a hobgoblin or whatever the word is.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:05 am
I don't recall a traffic accidents, high blood pressure or swimming pools causing a country to go to war. Terrorism has that effect though.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:11 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
I am beginning to realize that even reading the Bush cultist delusions that are posted here is a complete waste of time.


"Bush cultist delusions" Now that is hilarious. At least I'm not sitting around all day worried about "swimming pools." If I have to have a hobgoblin, I think I pick terrorists instead of swimming pools.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:16 am
okie wrote:
Thomas, you really can't be serious? You compare terrorists to traffic accidents, high blood pressure, and swimming pools? Chemical and biological weapons do not exist? Nuclear weapons and the possible suitcase nuclear weapon are not threats? Anthrax and other similar agents are not a very real possibility? Terrorist networks openly vow the extermination of western civilization, and have amply demonstrated the seriousness of their claims, and yet you classify this as merely a nuisance problem compared to "traffic accidents, high blood pressure, and swimming pools."

That's correct.

okie wrote:
The statements you make about the seriousness of terrorism really demonstrates the heart of the problem that we have here and around the world in coming to grips with the problem and doing enough about it.

I get that reaction a lot -- I also get it from liberals when I say similar things about global warming.

okie wrote:
To compare the two methods of dying is not a very appropriate comparison. Perhaps statistically, more Jews have died from high blood pressure throughout history than by being thrown in ovens by the Nazis, so I suppose Hitler really was not any worse than high blood pressure? Thomas, I really would think you would need to rethink such a silly assertion.

Let me assure you, Hitler's concentration camps killed a lot more German Jews prematurely than high blood pressure did. Hence, your only argument why my assertion is silly rests on a false premise.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 11:05 am
Terrorist do exist and constitute a threat, it is just that this administration is big on talk but little action or take the wrong action (Iraq war). They just pass around a few feel good words thinking that will substitue concrete actions which actually have positive results. Anyone could be happy if they lived in Bizzaro world.

Quote:
Thirty new terrorist organizations have emerged since the September 11, 2001, attacks, outpacing U.S. efforts to crush the threat, said Brig. Gen. Robert L. Caslen, the Pentagon's deputy director for the war on terrorism.
"We are not killing them faster than they are being created," Gen. Caslen told a gathering at the Woodrow Wilson Center yesterday, warning that the war could take decades to resolve.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20060301-113323-8165r.htm

Quote:
Guards fault Homeland Security protection

LARRY MARGASAKAssociated Press

WASHINGTON - The agency entrusted with protecting the U.S. homeland is having difficulty safeguarding its own headquarters, say private security guards at the complex.

The guards have taken their concerns to Congress, describing inadequate training, failed security tests and slow or confused reactions to bomb and biological threats.

For instance, when an envelope with suspicious powder was opened last fall at Homeland Security Department headquarters, guards said they watched in amazement as superiors carried it by the office of Secretary Michael Chertoff, took it outside and then shook it outside Chertoff's window without evacuating people nearby.


http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/14028467.htm
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 11:17 am
Now I'm confused. I'm told terrorists are a trivial problem, just a hobgoblin trumped up by Bush. Now we learn they are multiplying faster than we can eliminate them. Which is it, according to the Democrats? And what do the Democrats propose to do about it? I really don't know because I haven't heard them say. Do we ignore the problem and it will simply go away, or treat it like a minor irritation, a law enforcement problem as Clinton did, or what?
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 11:26 am
For starters don't tie up some much resources and money into unnecessary wars and alienating the whole world who we need in order to track down terrorist.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 11:34 am
The war isn't about terrorism.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 11:53 am
The invasion was probably a great boon to terrorists.

Just the hook they needed to hang some activity on.

~~~~~~~~

Or so suggested many of the experts prior to the invasion.
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