husker wrote:
that's not true - you do not have permission to editorially alter the art of someone, what if I took one of your personal pictures and put something you didn't agree with on it? (as an example - I'm not going to)
Of course it's true. You can do just about anything you want with any imagery you want so long as there's no wide-spread defamation of character or money being earned from it.
And the defamation of character is a 50/50 coin flip in court. If you want to discuss it further i'd be happy to take it to another thread with you.
Here's a license that fits what we're doing here:
License link
This explains it verywell we'd don't need to debate:
explain about copyright and usage
You keep quoting from one site which, if what I'm seeing is correct, uses it's own definition of what copyright/usage rights are as it's core reasons for existence. Which means it has an ulterior motive.
There is also a clause called Fair Use:
Quote: Fair Use
Many photos include other copyrighted materials in them. For example, a street scene may include a billboard with an advertisement, a newspaper on a news stand and products in a store window. Less obvious copyrighted items could exist in the sculptural ornamentation of a lamppost, the patterned fabric of a woman's skirt and a toy held by a child. You could never track down each copyright owner for permission to use the photo. But you may not be out of luck if you want to use the image commercially.
While copyright law can be restrictive, it is not irrational. Copyright law includes the doctrine of "fair use," allowing unauthorized use of copyrights in certain circumstances. The courts recognize that free expression and avoiding law suits over minor issues are more important than protecting intellectual property rights.
The doctrine of fair use also means that copying will not infringe when the use is "for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship or research."
Four factors are considered to determine whether the use qualifies under the doctrine: the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; the nature of the copyrighted work; the amount and substantiality of the portion used; and the effect of the use upon the potential market for or the value of the copyrighted work.
So if the copyrighted material that appears in the photo is covered by these four categories, you do not need permission to use the photo. Still, it is always best to seek permission to use a copyrighted work.
Source
Further explaination:
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How can I tell if my copying is allowed by fair use provisions of the Law?
There are no explicit, predefined, legal specifications of how much and when one can copy, but there are guidelines for fair use. Each case of copying must be evaluated according to four factors:
1. The purpose and nature of the use.
If the copy is used for teaching at a non-profit institution, distributed without charge, and made by a teacher or students acting individually, then the copy is more likely to be considered as fair use. In addition, an interpretation of fair use is more likely if the copy was made spontaneously, for temporary use, not as part of an "anthology" and not as an institutional requirement or suggestion.
2. The nature of the copyrighted work.
For example, an article from a newspaper would be considered differently than a workbook made for instruction. With multimedia material there are different standards and permissions for different media: a digitized photo from a National Geographic, a video clip from Jaws, and an audio selection from Peter Gabriel's CD would be treated differently--the selections are not treated as a equivalent chunks of digital data.
3. The nature and substantiality of the material used.
In general, when other criteria are met, the copying of extracts that are "not substantial in length" when compared to the whole of which they are part may be considered fair use.
4. The effect of use on the potential market for or value of the work.
In general, a work that supplants the normal market is considered an infringement, but a work does not have to have an effect on the market to be an infringement.
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FreeDuck wrote:
I know exactly how this feels.
Yep, that's my own sketch, I did it during the meeting on Wed. where we were told our company has been sold. No one in my group knows if they'll have a job in 2 months.
jespah wrote:FreeDuck wrote:
I know exactly how this feels.
Yep, that's my own sketch, I did it during the meeting on Wed. where we were told our company has been sold. No one in my group knows if they'll have a job in 2 months.
Youch, that really sucks Jespah. Hope all goes well for you.
can we go back to making pictures now?
Yeah, go for it. If you have serious concerns about copyright, go to any 'royalty free' or 'public domain' image sites and use those.
Why don't you start another thread, shewolf?
The rhythm of this one is too off kilter now.
I'd start one but I'm leaving town in a few days so I won't be around to watch it.
As to copyright....
It is an important issue. I could be wrong but I think that Questioner and I are the only two on this thread that actually make a living in areas where such things are an issue.
The only two images I used that I think could possibly be in violation are Simon Bar Sinister and ironing woman. Ironing woman came from a free clip art website so I guess whoever owns the copyrights to Underdog can come after me.
I think this whole detour is misplaced within the context of this thread. Nobody is on here trying to sell anything. Nobody is taking food out of some artists mouth with this. Nobody is going to be hanging their cards in a gallery somewhere.
It was supposed to be a fun, self exploration excercise.
I'm not at all sure how someone can "disagree" with another person's biography......
I appreciate everyones contributions. Thank you all so much. I have enjoyed this immensely.
Yes, sorry boomerang I rather enjoyed this thread, thanks for starting it.
It's probably time for a new thread anyway.
Copyright IS important but I don't think it pretains to the postcards on this thread.
It really just seems like the "safety" or revealing things has been breeched on this particular thread and it doesn't feel so comfortable to me anymore.
We can continue the copyright debate here and someone can start another biography thread.
Like I said, I'd do it but I'm going to Disneyland!
Oh!
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I think that many others did too. That's what makes threads like this work, don't you think?
It was awesome!
I agree that aside from the copyright issue per se the whole revelation of personal stuff aspect is a li'l... off... now. (As for copyright, it seems like this is what happens on A2K ALLL the time -- finding pics, posting them -- with just the addition of words. But I'm no expert.)
Have fun at Disneyland!!
Meanwhile, Jes, what?! Yoiks. That's better than "definitely won't have a job in 2 months", I guess, but how unsettling...!
As per Questioner, here are a bunch of public domain image sites:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain_image_resources
This looks especially promising, with a search function:
http://www.freerangestock.com/
<knock at the door>
<Door Opens>
<jpinMilwaukee standing there in his powder-blue tuxedo, flowers in one hand, a box of chocolates in the other>
"Oh... I guess I missed the party."
Well cool thread and cool mini-bios. If someone starts another I'm all over it... and if somebody doesn't I may just push this one along a little further anyway
Great links soz!
Awww. jpin. You look so handsome.
C'mon in and post.
Honestly though, it would be GREAT if SOMEONE started a new thread. Honestly, I have no qualms about someone taking over.
Thanks boomer. Here, these flowers are for you.
i hope this works the way it is supposed to
... yeah, I think this is going to be addicting.