The Other Religion!!!! Go to Hell...

Sanctuary, I understand you quite well. But the predicament is that we don't have a cure for such disease (religion) yet, the disease that is taking sway over the minds of our young and forcing them to live the rest of their lives in permanent fear, with extreme delusion. We can only wait and see what will happen, if we human beings will change our illogical ways of perceiving the rest of the world that we still don't understand fully. I think that religion will disappear complete. But unfortunately, probably neither you or me, or your kids, or your kids's kids, or your kids' kids' kids kids (you get the idea) won't see it happening. You just have to think about how ancient Greek and Rome devoted their entire civilization into praising absurd, selfish, idiotic, cruel, and jealous gods. Where are these gods now? Because the religious ideals of such civilizations shriveled into nothingness doesn't mean that they were wrong and today's religions are right? But what makes today's religions "the true religions" if their principles are based on the ancient, filled with contradictions and mere nonsense. I have read numerous ancient stories that date before the Bible and the Koran (Babylonian, Egyptian, Hebrew), and they all have very, extremely close resemblance to how the world was created, and the concept of gods' behavior as being selfish, idiotic, cruel, and jealous. Today's people, when confronted with such issue, they will deliberately ignore it. They don't understand that religion was (and still is) a political tool to control the masses. Teach your children to not be afraid of the idea that there is a god who's watching them, who punishes people and judges anyone who didn't follow his baloney. Teach them how to be compassionate to others; tell them that you love them; tell them that there are people out there who would take advantage of them, and that you will not always be there to protect them. And you will see that your purpose will be met…not to the whole world, but to your own blood. And your children's children will pass down the wise knowledge that only you could taught them. And that's how the world would change.

If I had in front of me right now (or if they were still alive) Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mother Theresa, or any other religious entity whose acts of kindness are simply based on the belief of political nonsense of fairy tales written by ancient people, I'd would tell them that they should do the right thing not because we must please a selfish, cruel, idiotic, and jealous god, but because we should (regardless of what religions tells us to do), because it is good to do the right thing; and also, cut out the bullsh!t!!!! That's what I would tell them.

You're a real gem.

So tell me, why is kindness and compassion "the
right thing to do"?

Who made this decision?

This certainly hasn't been humanity's outlook throughout history.

Many people would say that kindness and compassion are a form of weakness.

Ironically, you're notion of right and wrong is a development of the very beliefs that you disdain.

John Creasy wrote:

So tell me, why is kindness and compassion "the
right thing to do"?

I don't think I get your question. But you probably meant "what is kindness and compassion?" If this is true:

kindness

n 1: the quality of being warm-hearted and considerate and humane and sympathetic [ant: unkindness] 2: tendency to be kind and forgiving [syn: forgivingness] 3: a kind act [syn: benignity]

com·pas·sion
n.
Deep awareness of the suffering of another coupled with the wish to relieve it. See Synonyms at pity.

The right thing to do is to not demean, hurt (physically or mentally), or abuse people. A simple fragment of understanding will do, too.

We (humans) made "this decision."

Would you be surprised if I told you that it has been?

That is true if you're a Roman gladiator. And many people would also say that they can walk on water. Nonsense.

I do not "disdain" philosophy, John.

Jason Proudmoore wrote:

John Creasy wrote:

So tell me, why is kindness and compassion "the
right thing to do"?

I don't think I get your question. But you probably meant "what is kindness and compassion?" If this is true:

kindness

n 1: the quality of being warm-hearted and considerate and humane and sympathetic [ant: unkindness] 2: tendency to be kind and forgiving [syn: forgivingness] 3: a kind act [syn: benignity]

com·pas·sion
n.
Deep awareness of the suffering of another coupled with the wish to relieve it. See Synonyms at pity.

The right thing to do is to not demean, hurt (physically or mentally), or abuse people. A simple fragment of understanding will do, too.

Thank you, you've not only confirmed your ignorance, but you've also proven yourself to be obnoxious.

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We (humans) made "this decision."

I don't remember being consulted on this. Seems like a bit of a generalization, don't ya think??

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Would you be surprised if I told you that it has been?

At this point, nothing you say would surprise me.

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That is true if you're a Roman gladiator. And many people would also say that they can walk on water. Nonsense.

Completely ignorant statement. Does survival of the fittest sound familiar to you??

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I do not "disdain" philosophy, John.

That's nice. What you don't realize is that your notion of right and wrong that is totally ingrained in western civiliation is a product of Judeo-Christian values. Do you think the Romans subscribed to "Do unto others as you would have done to you"?? What about helping the poor and sickly?? These are attributtes of Judaism and Christianity.

Are you all blind? How can call this a coinsedence even though there countless visual signs of the same nature. Do you think the honey bees formed that honey comb in the shape of Allah by accident? Or that cloud for that matter? If you are going to be that ignorant about it, then you will only see the truth once you die - which sadly maybe too late then.

For this reason, the apparent signs of the existence of Allah are not seen by these people. Or rather, it is not their will that those signs be seen. These people strive greatly to prevent belief in the existence of Allah and they spread this disbelief through society in general. Eventually, masses appear who either do not believe in Allah or else have "forgotten" Him as mentioned in the Qur'an. (Surat at-Tawba, 67)

That's right, don't refute any of my arguments.

Just spew insults and call me irrational.

Please gather yourself, and try again.

John Creasy wrote:

That's right, don't refute any of my arguments.

"Dont refute" what arguments, John? You don't have any. All of your ridiculous arguments have been debunked. And these last posts consist merely of pure nonsense.

John Creasy wrote:

Just spew insults and call me irrational.

Someone who constantly lies is called a "liar." People who think only about themselves are called "selfish." People who think that other people are persecuting them are called "paranoics." And a person who lacks normal mental clarity, and is incoherent is called "irrational."So, why would I call you "irrational", John?

John Creasy wrote:

Please gather yourself, and try again.

I will not continue jumping through your hoops, John. I have established clear, rational, and coherent arguments. You either don't understand them, don't want to understand them, or simply you just want to continue with your deranged ranting of delusional nonsense. I would gladly explain anything that you don't understand. But you have to stop the nonsense and acknowledge the obvious.

Sanctuary, I understand you quite well. But the predicament is that we don't have a cure for such disease (religion) yet, the disease that is taking sway over the minds of our young and forcing them to live the rest of their lives in permanent fear, with extreme delusion. We can only wait and see what will happen, if we human beings will change our illogical ways of perceiving the rest of the world that we still don't understand fully. I think that religion will disappear complete. But unfortunately, probably neither you or me, or your kids, or your kids's kids, or your kids' kids' kids kids (you get the idea) won't see it happening. You just have to think about how ancient Greek and Rome devoted their entire civilization into praising absurd, selfish, idiotic, cruel, and jealous gods. Where are these gods now? Because the religious ideals of such civilizations shriveled into nothingness doesn't mean that they were wrong and today's religions are right? But what makes today's religions "the true religions" if their principles are based on the ancient, filled with contradictions and mere nonsense. I have read numerous ancient stories that date before the Bible and the Koran (Babylonian, Egyptian, Hebrew), and they all have very, extremely close resemblance to how the world was created, and the concept of gods' behavior as being selfish, idiotic, cruel, and jealous. Today's people, when confronted with such issue, they will deliberately ignore it. They don't understand that religion was (and still is) a political tool to control the masses. Teach your children to not be afraid of the idea that there is a god who's watching them, who punishes people and judges anyone who didn't follow his baloney. Teach them how to be compassionate to others; tell them that you love them; tell them that there are people out there who would take advantage of them, and that you will not always be there to protect them. And you will see that your purpose will be met…not to the whole world, but to your own blood. And your children's children will pass down the wise knowledge that only you could taught them. And that's how the world would change.

Would you say that to Martin Luther King or Ghandi?? How about Mother Theresa??? It must be nice to live your life in black and white.

If I had in front of me right now (or if they were still alive) Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mother Theresa, or any other religious entity whose acts of kindness are simply based on the belief of political nonsense of fairy tales written by ancient people, I'd would tell them that they should do the right thing not because we must please a selfish, cruel, idiotic, and jealous god, but because we should (regardless of what religions tells us to do), because it is good to do the right thing; and also, cut out the bullsh!t!!!! That's what I would tell them

So tell me, why is kindness and compassion "the right thing to do"? Who made this decision? This certainly hasn't been humanity's outlook throughout history. Many people would say that kindness and compassion are a form of weakness. Ironically, you're notion of right and wrong is a development of the very beliefs that you disdain.

I don't think I get your question. But you probably meant "what is kindness and compassion?" If this is true:

kindness

n 1: the quality of being warm-hearted and considerate and humane and sympathetic [ant: unkindness] 2: tendency to be kind and forgiving [syn: forgivingness] 3: a kind act [syn: benignity]
com•pas•sion
n.

Deep awareness of the suffering of another coupled with the wish to relieve it. See Synonyms at pity.

The right thing to do is to not demean, hurt (physically or mentally), or abuse people. A simple fragment of understanding will do, too.

Who made this decision?

This is my answer.
We (humans) made "this decision."

This certainly hasn't been humanity's outlook throughout history.

Would you be surprised if I told you that it has been?

At this point, nothing you say would surprise me.

Many people would say that kindness and compassion are a form of weakness.

That is true if you're a Roman gladiator. And many people would also say that they can walk on water. Nonsense.

Ironically, you're notion of right and wrong is a development of the very beliefs that you disdain.

That's nice. What you don't realize is that your notion of right and wrong that is totally ingrained in western civiliation is a product of Judeo-Christian values.

Do you think the Romans subscribed to "Do unto others as you would have done to you"??

What about helping the poor and sickly?? These are attributtes of Judaism and Christianity.

Maybe you should be a little proudless Jason.

You haven't offered much here to be proud of. Let alone have you "debunked" anything that I've stated.

Let me try this again. You say "the right thing to do is to not demean, hurt (physically or mentally), or abuse people."

I asked you why and how this "philosophy" if you will, came about.

You didn't have an answer for that.

You claim that kindness and compassion have been considered noble traits throughout history, yet you offer no evidence of this.

You claim that only a "Roman Gladiator" would consider kindness and compassion a weakness, and yet again, you call me delusional for not taking your word for it.

To top it all off, you show your delightful ignorance of history by claiming that "philosophy" is the foundation of the west's morality and ethical outlook.

So, let me say this, if you despise Judeo-Christian morality, I can respect that.

But don't sit here and ignore the fact that it is the foundation of the very same morality that you profess.

Are you following me??

This is the post that started the whole thing. Pay careful attention to what we have written.Lets analyze the arguments, ok?

Jason Proudmoore wrote:

Sanctuary, I understand you quite well. But the predicament is that we don't have a cure for such disease (religion) yet, the disease that is taking sway over the minds of our young and forcing them to live the rest of their lives in permanent fear, with extreme delusion. We can only wait and see what will happen, if we human beings will change our illogical ways of perceiving the rest of the world that we still don't understand fully. I think that religion will disappear complete. But unfortunately, probably neither you or me, or your kids, or your kids's kids, or your kids' kids' kids kids (you get the idea) won't see it happening. You just have to think about how ancient Greek and Rome devoted their entire civilization into praising absurd, selfish, idiotic, cruel, and jealous gods. Where are these gods now? Because the religious ideals of such civilizations shriveled into nothingness doesn't mean that they were wrong and today's religions are right? But what makes today's religions "the true religions" if their principles are based on the ancient, filled with contradictions and mere nonsense. I have read numerous ancient stories that date before the Bible and the Koran (Babylonian, Egyptian, Hebrew), and they all have very, extremely close resemblance to how the world was created, and the concept of gods' behavior as being selfish, idiotic, cruel, and jealous. Today's people, when confronted with such issue, they will deliberately ignore it. They don't understand that religion was (and still is) a political tool to control the masses. Teach your children to not be afraid of the idea that there is a god who's watching them, who punishes people and judges anyone who didn't follow his baloney. Teach them how to be compassionate to others; tell them that you love them; tell them that there are people out there who would take advantage of them, and that you will not always be there to protect them. And you will see that your purpose will be met…not to the whole world, but to your own blood. And your children's children will pass down the wise knowledge that only you could taught them. And that's how the world would change.

This is what you wrote after my post.

John Creasy wrote:

Would you say that to Martin Luther King or Ghandi?? How about Mother Theresa??? It must be nice to live your life in black and white.

This is my answer to your post.

Jason Proudmoore wrote:

If I had in front of me right now (or if they were still alive) Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mother Theresa, or any other religious entity whose acts of kindness are simply based on the belief of political nonsense of fairy tales written by ancient people, I'd would tell them that they should do the right thing not because we must please a selfish, cruel, idiotic, and jealous god, but because we should (regardless of what religions tells us to do), because it is good to do the right thing; and also, cut out the bullsh!t!!!! That's what I would tell them

This is the bombardment of nonsense that reveals your uncontrollable delusion. Don't you think that the answers to these questions are obvious? are you high??

John Creasy wrote:

So tell me, why is kindness and compassion "the right thing to do"? Who made this decision? This certainly hasn't been humanity's outlook throughout history. Many people would say that kindness and compassion are a form of weakness. Ironically, you're notion of right and wrong is a development of the very beliefs that you disdain.

This is my answer to your post.

Jason Proudmoore wrote:

I don't think I get your question. But you probably meant "what is kindness and compassion?" If this is true:

These are the definitions to the words that you don't seem to know the meaning to.

Jason Proudmoore wrote:

kindness

n 1: the quality of being warm-hearted and considerate and humane and sympathetic [ant: unkindness] 2: tendency to be kind and forgiving [syn: forgivingness] 3: a kind act [syn: benignity]
com•pas•sion
n.

Deep awareness of the suffering of another coupled with the wish to relieve it. See Synonyms at pity.

Again, your attempt at sarcasm is obnoxious. Thank you for bringing up pity. Pity is despised by many philosophers (most famously Nietzsche) for being worthless and counter-productive. Honor, strength, wealth and beauty are considered noble by these philosophers. The same goes for the ancient Greeks and Romans. Pity and compassion were FAR from noble attributes to these ancient cultures. For example, why do you think that Christianity spread so rapidly in the early centuries?? Here's a hint, because it preached the equality of souls and that the poor and sickly were to be helped and not looked down upon. This was a revolutionary idea at the time.

This is the answer to your question regarding "the right thing to do."

Jason Proudmoore wrote:

The right thing to do is to not demean, hurt (physically or mentally), or abuse people. A simple fragment of understanding will do, too.

This is your question.

John Creasy wrote:

Who made this decision?

And when I said "we (humans)," I meant the human race, and to be more precise, philosophers.

Jason Proudmoore wrote:

This is my answer.
We (humans) made "this decision."

This is your question. What the HELL did you just say, and why did you say it? You don't think that kindness and compassion are two attributes of nobility? Don't you think that people throughout history knew this?

John Creasy wrote:

This certainly hasn't been humanity's outlook throughout history.

Are you that naive?? Please, say it ain't so. Yeah how about those Huns?? They were full of compassion. What about the Mongols? Tender and kind. It warms my heart to think of all the compassion throughout history.
And this is my answer to your question.

Jason Proudmoore wrote:

Would you be surprised if I told you that it has been?

And your answer from my comment above depicts the quality of someone who is not just delusional, but ignorant. You be the judge of that.
Pot, meet kettle

John Creasy wrote:

At this point, nothing you say would surprise me.

This is a question that you trying to attack me with. But it renders itself futile when you don't even know how to apply it. So what if many people say that those two entities are forms of "weakness"? What are you trying to prove here? Why did you even bother to type such nonsense?
I'm trying to "prove" that you are wrong. Period.

John Creasy wrote:

Many people would say that kindness and compassion are a form of weakness.

Jason Proudmoore wrote:

That is true if you're a Roman gladiator. And many people would also say that they can walk on water. Nonsense.

At least we agree on something here.

I don't see where we agreed on anything. You made an assinine statement about how everybody but Roman gladiators have been all lovey dovey throughout history and I pointed out the ridiculousness of this.

John Creasy wrote:

Ironically, you're notion of right and wrong is a development of the very beliefs that you disdain.

And I told you that I don't "disdain" philosophy, John.

John Creasy wrote:

That's nice. What you don't realize is that your notion of right and wrong that is totally ingrained in western civiliation is a product of Judeo-Christian values.

And I got a trivia for you, John. Where did the Judeo-Christian get their values from?
This point, I admit, is debatable. While SOME aspects of earlier culture was assimilated into the Judeo-Christian culture, many of it's morals were new. Like compassion for the weak and poor as opposed to a strict hierarchal class system where the weak were looked down upon. Philosophy did also contribute to western ethics, but this was not until relatively recent times.

John Creasy wrote:

Do you think the Romans subscribed to "Do unto others as you would have done to you"??

Who's the ignorant? Read books, John. They won't bite you.

This is an utterly preposterous statement. Please don't strain yourself by trying to explain your position. Let me help you, the Roman culture honored strength and beauty. War and conquest was seen as admirable. So if they followed the above ethical code, they must have been just itching to be conquered.

John Creasy wrote:

What about helping the poor and sickly?? These are attributtes of Judaism and Christianity.

More nonsense.

John Creasy wrote:

Maybe you should be a little proudless Jason.

I don't take pride when it comes to explaining the obvious to the delusional. There is no sense of pride at all, really. It is just a shame.

John Creasy wrote:

You haven't offered much here to be proud of. Let alone have you "debunked" anything that I've stated.

Scroll up.

John Creasy wrote:

Let me try this again. You say "the right thing to do is to not demean, hurt (physically or mentally), or abuse people."

That's right.

John Creasy wrote:

I asked you why and how this "philosophy" if you will, came about.

Have you heard of Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle?
I don't recall any of these gentlemen being overly concerned with the plight of the poor or weak.

John Creasy wrote:

You didn't have an answer for that.

Yes, I did. But the answer is too complex for your brain to process it.

If you say so.

John Creasy wrote:

You claim that kindness and compassion have been considered noble traits throughout history, yet you offer no evidence of this.

Can you read the amount of garbage that you are contributing to this thread, John? Kindness and compassion are two of the main traits that form nobility, throughout human history. Do you even know what you are thinking about when you place your fingers on the key board to try and type a coherent argument? Do you need evidence for this, John? Come on.
this is humorous. I don't know where you come up with this stuff.

John Creasy wrote:

You claim that only a "Roman Gladiator" would consider kindness and compassion a weakness, and yet again, you call me delusional for not taking your word for it.

A Roman gladiator is one example of many. And yes, you are delusional for posting nonsense and not seeing the obvious.
Somebody get me a straightjacket.

John Creasy wrote:

To top it all off, you show your delightful ignorance of history by claiming that "philosophy" is the foundation of the west's morality and ethical outlook.

Which one came first, John, Greek philosophy or Judeo-Christian morality?
Which one had more influence, would be the correct question.

John Creasy wrote:

So, let me say this, if you despise Judeo-Christian morality, I can respect that.

Oooookkk….

John Creasy wrote:

But don't sit here and ignore the fact that it is the foundation of the very same morality that you profess.

Are you out of your mind, John (obviously)? What fact are you talking about? Have you been to school, John?
I must be. Please get me to the hospital. I need my meds.

John Creasy wrote:

Are you following me??

Yes, I'm following you...for a mile now, and I'm thinking about calling the men in white.


It seems that trying to reason with the irrational is something that not even the most rational of men would do. And yet, I'm trying. It's like discussing a game of Basketball with the Great Wall of China. Futile. Nevertheless, you seem to have accomplish somthing in your life, John. For a second there I thought you were talking some sense. But then I looked again at the posts.