Momma Angel wrote:Steve...
Your very last statement
"And our progress can only be helped by cutting down and exposing the primitive and redundant belief systems of backward and repressive religions such as Islam" seems to be making somewhat of a judgment?...
I'm hurt that you think this "somewhat" judgemental. It is absolutely judgemental. Moreover it is a judgement made after pricisely one lifetime of consideration, and two tv programs by Richard Dawkins regarding this matter. I rest my case m'lord.
Momma Angel wrote:That's the first time someone told me they were hurt because I didn't use harsh enough words! 
Well us Brits are strange people. I've heard Lord Ellpus likes a good rollicking occasionally.
BM
(Nothing to say here that Steve1400 isn't already saying much more eloquently than I would)
dyslexia wrote:Yeah well here's where I differ with pretty much all of you. I think ALL belief systems should be constantly challenged/ridiculed/bashed (including my own) I believe this would separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak. This, of course, would include religion/science/politics/environmentalism/tofu and polka music.
Then again, how can you question what God has given you? He is all-knowing and all-wise.
It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). (Quran 3:3)
Raul-7
Sure, you've been told all that, but how do you know it's not all a bit fat fairy tale ?
Raul-7
Can you tell me what the word allegory means? Do you know why allegories were developed throughout human history? Much of what you quote from your holy book bears a great deal of similarity to the allegories of other religions.
If all you can do is quote scripture, you really show as much versatility and intelligence as a conversant machine (that's a type of computer). I suppose, however, you are so deeply programmed that you cannot capture, sustain, and understand any insights you are offered from other members on the forum.
It would be nice if you could tell me something rather than try to teach me something. Show me what you understand about your religion, not what you know about it.
You could quote scripture and verse of your holy book all day long, but if you want to reach other people with your message of love and enlightenment, show me you can read and understand the book of another person's life. Isn't this where religion begins and ends?
The Quran is not about the life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), neither is the Gospel about Prophet Jesus's (PBUH) life. All the heavenly books are a guide to show people how to live their lives.
Tell me something honestly Raul7
Do you really believe that cloud is a sign from God any more than any other cloud could be considered a sign from God?
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:Tell me something honestly Raul7
Do you really believe that cloud is a sign from God any more than any other cloud could be considered a sign from God?
They're all signs from God. The sky's a book you see and every cloud represents a word. It's just one Heck of a chore reading it, that's all...
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:Steve (as 41oo) wrote:Tell me something honestly Raul7
Do you really believe that cloud is a sign from God any more than any other cloud could be considered a sign from God?
They're all signs from God. The sky's a book you see and every cloud represents a word. It's just one Heck of a chore reading it, that's all...
Would that they were pantheists.
And why is it that the Arabic name of God is seen in the snow on a hillside or in the clouds or even in a sliced aubergene but never as a food stain down the front of a shirt or in a pile of poo?
I drank a hell of alot of beer once and pissed in the snow. When I looked back, I saw the face of the Eternal One telling me who would win the next Giant's game. I never pissed in the snow again. Too intense!
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:Tell me something honestly Raul7
Do you really believe that cloud is a sign from God any more than any other cloud could be considered a sign from God?
What more evidence do you need that God exists. The cloud is in the shape of the Arabic word 'Allah'. This is a clear sign, unlike the "faces" of the virgin Mary on a sandwich.
Raul-7 wrote:Steve (as 41oo) wrote:Tell me something honestly Raul7
Do you really believe that cloud is a sign from God any more than any other cloud could be considered a sign from God?
What more evidence do you need that God exists. The cloud is in the shape of the Arabic word 'Allah'. This is a clear sign, unlike the "faces" of the virgin Mary on a sandwich.
I take that as a yes. What sandwich?
Oh Fred. Can you believe it? They are talking about our Virgin Mary sandwich again. I think we should raise the price and add some fries.
Oh, and I have a new idea for a sandwich with the face of one of those prophets from the middle east. Do you think its a good idea? We'll make it out of pork bellies and hog jowls. Wadda ya think Fred?
Fred?
FRED! ARE YOU ASLEEP AGAIN?
Eh...no Martha. I'm trying out your new Bhudda Bagel. The more I rub its belly, the happier it gets.
I THINK THERE IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEENING HATING PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIONS AND CLAIMING THAT PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIONS ARE WRONG!
AND WHATS WRONG WITH HATING EVIL?
raheel wrote:I THINK THERE IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEENING HATING PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIONS AND CLAIMING THAT PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIONS ARE WRONG!
AND WHATS WRONG WITH HATING EVIL?
Which religions are evil?
WHAT I MEAN IS IF THERE IS A GOD AND HE IS THE GOD OF CLASSICAL THEISM AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO REFUSE TO BELIEVE IN HIM AND MOCK THOSE WHO DO BELIEVE IN HIM THEN CAN YOU SEE WHY THEY MIGHT BE CONSIDERED AS WRONGFUL PEOPLE WHO WILL GO TO HELL?
